Annual Leave Tickets not Confirmed in QA!!
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Annual Leave Tickets not Confirmed in QA!!
Several pilots trying to issue the annual leave "cofirmed seats" tickes as usual, they were shocked when the staff travel personnel issued them "seat available" tickets, according to a new memo from HR to the staff travel !!!!
They were informed that Flight Deck annual tickets will have priority only over the ID90 tickets, but if the plane is full with pax, sorry, try another day!!!!
If this happens to me I am resigning tomorrow.
Thanks QA!
They were informed that Flight Deck annual tickets will have priority only over the ID90 tickets, but if the plane is full with pax, sorry, try another day!!!!
If this happens to me I am resigning tomorrow.
Thanks QA!
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Big deal ............even BA used to do the same to Captains on their annual 'Firm' free First-class . Annoying , but at least the company was trying to maximise its revenue.
What REALLY irritated us was the fact that various 'IT' 'experts' were given priority over us even if they had just joined the company , an abuse of the strict seniority system which ruled everyones life in BA. Apparently they were hard to find in the mid-90s !!
What REALLY irritated us was the fact that various 'IT' 'experts' were given priority over us even if they had just joined the company , an abuse of the strict seniority system which ruled everyones life in BA. Apparently they were hard to find in the mid-90s !!
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Without wishing to put down your post, there's a World of difference between the BA 'yearly First' and the Annual leave tickets that are issued here in the ME.
The ALT's are a contractual ticket to allow you and the Family to travel 'home', not 'holiday'. EK in particular limit the destination during the first 3 years to your home place and this is set in stone. This is the whole purpose of the ticket. After that, it can be changed each year. It is firm, however, if the flight is overbooked you would be entitled to the same rights as a full fare passenger. Very rare for this to occur.
You guys in QR need to start voting with your feet. Easier said than done , I know, but that's just shocking. People are trying to get back to family for god's sake, not bog off to Barbados!
Harry
Without wishing to put down your post, there's a World of difference between the BA 'yearly First' and the Annual leave tickets that are issued here in the ME.
The ALT's are a contractual ticket to allow you and the Family to travel 'home', not 'holiday'. EK in particular limit the destination during the first 3 years to your home place and this is set in stone. This is the whole purpose of the ticket. After that, it can be changed each year. It is firm, however, if the flight is overbooked you would be entitled to the same rights as a full fare passenger. Very rare for this to occur.
You guys in QR need to start voting with your feet. Easier said than done , I know, but that's just shocking. People are trying to get back to family for god's sake, not bog off to Barbados!
Harry
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Well said Harry
Harry, I totally agree with you, I am sure that QA knows it is wrong, otherwise it would not be done in secrecy.
We are here to work hard then travel back home to see our family and follow up stuff, they cannot just deny us that.
If we have to work in a concentration camp like this, I guess we have to look for a commuting contract somewhere else, Asian airlines are giving good offers, commuting back home or even based in the USA.
Try Korean, Jet Airways, China Airlines, Vietnam...etc.
We are here to work hard then travel back home to see our family and follow up stuff, they cannot just deny us that.
If we have to work in a concentration camp like this, I guess we have to look for a commuting contract somewhere else, Asian airlines are giving good offers, commuting back home or even based in the USA.
Try Korean, Jet Airways, China Airlines, Vietnam...etc.
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This may be one of the think that will keep people in Q.A.: commuting or crew based... outside Doha..!!But before they start doing that...
Regarding annual leave ticket, i'm afraid this is nothing new here: if the flight is fully or over-booked, you will not have priority on "regular' passenger eventhought you have an annual ticket..!
It's a real pity i known, excpecially for such airlines (where 80 or 90% of the workforce are expats!!), and for the crew who are just looking to go home for holiday!
But do they really care about this..No Way. Not in this part of the world!
Regarding annual leave ticket, i'm afraid this is nothing new here: if the flight is fully or over-booked, you will not have priority on "regular' passenger eventhought you have an annual ticket..!
It's a real pity i known, excpecially for such airlines (where 80 or 90% of the workforce are expats!!), and for the crew who are just looking to go home for holiday!
But do they really care about this..No Way. Not in this part of the world!
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commuting contracts
Commuting contracts are the target of many airlines now, it attracts many pilots and make them work hard since there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
you work for continuous period of time –usually 4 to 8 weeks, then go home for 2 or 3 weeks.
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e.g.
A320 / A321 Captain positions available in Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam for a 2 year contract, ongoing thereafter. Experience: Last A320 Sim Check less than 6 months old Total Time: 6,000 hrs + Total Command Jet Time: 3,000 hrs + Total A320 PIC Time: 1,500 hrs + Under 56 Benefits: Excellent contract terms & commuting ! 6 week on , 2 weeks off with tickets for days off anywhere on Vietnam Airlines network Please contact Kim Bell at Rishworth Aviation by email at: [email protected] ph: 64 9 302 0080 fax: 64 9 302 0078 *** Please ensure you register online www.rishworthaviation.com***
OR
REF: 976 A320 Captains - China - PAY INCREASE & BONUS!!
Base: Xian, China Start: ASAP Type: A319/320/321 Experience: Need to have flown on type within the last 6 months. Total Time: 4,000 + hrs Total A320 PIC Time: 500 + hrs Under 53 years at date of joining Benefits: Excellent contract terms!! Commuting contract with 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off
OR
REF 899: B777 Captains *Korean Air*
Duration: 5 year term, renewable Base: Anywhere on the KAL network B777 Captains Experience: 300+ PIC hours on B777 3000+ hours total PIC time Under the age of 57 at date of joining Flown on type within last 24 months Pay Increase! Great terms and conditions, commuting contract, bonus payments, insurance, per diem ... Job Role: Captain/s | Job Hours: Full-Time | Location: Unspecified | Job Position: Contract | Published Date: 22 May 2008
OR
REF 664: B777 Captains - NEW IMPROVED TERMS!
Duration: Long term Base: Various bases available worldwide Start: Flexible TREs, TRIS and Line Captains for excellent opportunity! Qualifications: - Min 500 h PIC on B777, or - Min 100 h PIC on B777 and 1000 hrs PIC total. Need to have flown B777 as PIC within the last 12 months. Can fly up to 65th birthday if ... Job Role: Flight Crew | Job Hours: Full-Time | Location: India | Job Position: Contract | Published Date: 23 May 2008 02:36:07
REF 922: A330 Captains Duration: 5 years renewable Base: Anywhere on KAL network Start: Negotiable A330 Captains urgently required for exciting long term contract. Experience: 500+ PIC hours on type 2000+ PIC Airline Transport Hrs Flown on type within 24 months Age: 58 years and under. Pay Increase! Benefits packag ... Job Role: Captain/s | Job Hours: Full-Time | Location: South Korea | Job Position: Contract | Published Date: 07 May 2008 02:58:00
you work for continuous period of time –usually 4 to 8 weeks, then go home for 2 or 3 weeks.
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e.g.
A320 / A321 Captain positions available in Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam for a 2 year contract, ongoing thereafter. Experience: Last A320 Sim Check less than 6 months old Total Time: 6,000 hrs + Total Command Jet Time: 3,000 hrs + Total A320 PIC Time: 1,500 hrs + Under 56 Benefits: Excellent contract terms & commuting ! 6 week on , 2 weeks off with tickets for days off anywhere on Vietnam Airlines network Please contact Kim Bell at Rishworth Aviation by email at: [email protected] ph: 64 9 302 0080 fax: 64 9 302 0078 *** Please ensure you register online www.rishworthaviation.com***
OR
REF: 976 A320 Captains - China - PAY INCREASE & BONUS!!
Base: Xian, China Start: ASAP Type: A319/320/321 Experience: Need to have flown on type within the last 6 months. Total Time: 4,000 + hrs Total A320 PIC Time: 500 + hrs Under 53 years at date of joining Benefits: Excellent contract terms!! Commuting contract with 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off
OR
REF 899: B777 Captains *Korean Air*
Duration: 5 year term, renewable Base: Anywhere on the KAL network B777 Captains Experience: 300+ PIC hours on B777 3000+ hours total PIC time Under the age of 57 at date of joining Flown on type within last 24 months Pay Increase! Great terms and conditions, commuting contract, bonus payments, insurance, per diem ... Job Role: Captain/s | Job Hours: Full-Time | Location: Unspecified | Job Position: Contract | Published Date: 22 May 2008
OR
REF 664: B777 Captains - NEW IMPROVED TERMS!
Duration: Long term Base: Various bases available worldwide Start: Flexible TREs, TRIS and Line Captains for excellent opportunity! Qualifications: - Min 500 h PIC on B777, or - Min 100 h PIC on B777 and 1000 hrs PIC total. Need to have flown B777 as PIC within the last 12 months. Can fly up to 65th birthday if ... Job Role: Flight Crew | Job Hours: Full-Time | Location: India | Job Position: Contract | Published Date: 23 May 2008 02:36:07
REF 922: A330 Captains Duration: 5 years renewable Base: Anywhere on KAL network Start: Negotiable A330 Captains urgently required for exciting long term contract. Experience: 500+ PIC hours on type 2000+ PIC Airline Transport Hrs Flown on type within 24 months Age: 58 years and under. Pay Increase! Benefits packag ... Job Role: Captain/s | Job Hours: Full-Time | Location: South Korea | Job Position: Contract | Published Date: 07 May 2008 02:58:00
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Normal?? BS if we deadhead to opperate a flight do pax full fair have priority??? If QR want to maximise revenue that way I have no problem. Do outside basing. Wanna save on the housing, no prob outside basing. Wanna save on annual leave, hey what about outside basing. If they want attract and retain the crew, here an idea, outside basing. How many crew will have stayed with QR but had to leave because the family could not stay in doha anymore? How many crew who are still hanging here but there familly already left and they are on the lookout for another job?? Here a simple solution outside basing.
Most major expat employer did understand that and do basing and/or cummuting ( cathay, all chinese airline, korean, asiana, ect) even the not so major do so, vietnam, sri lankan,
Only in the middle east don't and let me tell you this, one day some of them will realize where there stubbornness lead them....
Most major expat employer did understand that and do basing and/or cummuting ( cathay, all chinese airline, korean, asiana, ect) even the not so major do so, vietnam, sri lankan,
Only in the middle east don't and let me tell you this, one day some of them will realize where there stubbornness lead them....
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commuting contracts
The airlines are offering commuting contracts now in many parts of the world especially in Asia; this is the best way to attract pilots from all over.
You will work hard for 4 to 6 weeks, then go home for 2 or 3 weeks.
Examples: Vietnam Airlines: A321 and 777 pilots: commuting ! 6 week on , 2 weeks off with tickets for days off
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Commuting contract with different roster patterns available- 6 weeks on duty/ 2 weeks off duty, 5 on duty, 3 off and 4 on duty and 4 off with tickets home on route network for days off, plus ID tickets!
OR Korean Airlines: 777 and 330 pilots: commuting contract based anywhere on KAL network.
OR China, Xian 320/321/319 captains: Commuting contract with 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
I guess it is a good idea for Qatar Airways to start attracting pilots or more important prevent them from leaving.
You will work hard for 4 to 6 weeks, then go home for 2 or 3 weeks.
Examples: Vietnam Airlines: A321 and 777 pilots: commuting ! 6 week on , 2 weeks off with tickets for days off
OR
Commuting contract with different roster patterns available- 6 weeks on duty/ 2 weeks off duty, 5 on duty, 3 off and 4 on duty and 4 off with tickets home on route network for days off, plus ID tickets!
OR Korean Airlines: 777 and 330 pilots: commuting contract based anywhere on KAL network.
OR China, Xian 320/321/319 captains: Commuting contract with 6 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
I guess it is a good idea for Qatar Airways to start attracting pilots or more important prevent them from leaving.
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Goldstar, that was in 2007, I called a friend who tried to confirm his annual leaveticket on Monday, he was shown a memo from HR (no A.L.T to be confirmed).
Let us go to the staff travel and ask.
We all know how often rules are changing here, and most of the times not to our favor.
Let us go to the staff travel and ask.
We all know how often rules are changing here, and most of the times not to our favor.
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When I read this HR-memo about 2 weeks ago at stafftravel, I interpreted it to be for CC only, it said nothing about flight deck crew. I hope its a missunderstanding from the stafftravel guys, otherwise.... it really sucks!!!
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We will not leave tomorrow, but after 3 months !! most of my friends who got this info are already looking for another airlines. Etihad is the main target.
I called my chief pilot today, her confirmed the news, no firm seats for pilots for the annual leave tickets!!
I can imaging myself going to the airport everyday trying to leave in a busy summer season, and most important trying to come back, looking for a hotel in my connecting station and try again next day!!
I wonder how many days we will lose, and what if I miss a my next duty if I was not able to board? I guess I will get fired? or at least a warning letter???
No, thanks, I think I will outta here soon.
I called my chief pilot today, her confirmed the news, no firm seats for pilots for the annual leave tickets!!
I can imaging myself going to the airport everyday trying to leave in a busy summer season, and most important trying to come back, looking for a hotel in my connecting station and try again next day!!
I wonder how many days we will lose, and what if I miss a my next duty if I was not able to board? I guess I will get fired? or at least a warning letter???
No, thanks, I think I will outta here soon.
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I really don't understand how QR, I'ts trying to hire pilots,and at the same time, they are making their best for loosing those they have, if this is really happening, plus the inflation 17%, plus the devaluation of the qr. , plus no provident found, plus no salary increase, plus stupid rules and BS from the management ( stupid memos, and lak of suport to pilots ), plus stupid rooster, It's just too much!!!!!!!, time to fly, to the far, far east or may be not that far......
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that's the way it goes guys. can you imagine what's it going to be like once the market took the down turn? Get out as long as you can. You're just freaking number in devil's pocket. Anything is better than QR. 