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Well ..
Just surprised to heard from the F/O i'm flying with (A-320), most of them "had " to give up their leaves in 2007 and/or 2008 or at least part of it..
(agree most of them are senior F/O:less than 3 years in Q.A, but still, it's not an excuse...)
So if we have enough pilots those thinks shouldn't never happen.. right?
Just surprised to heard from the F/O i'm flying with (A-320), most of them "had " to give up their leaves in 2007 and/or 2008 or at least part of it..
(agree most of them are senior F/O:less than 3 years in Q.A, but still, it's not an excuse...)So if we have enough pilots those thinks shouldn't never happen.. right?
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Maybe it has something to do with your total incompetent fleet management?
I have seen the numbers on A320 and the numbers are correct. So it has to be a planning issue.
Captains on A320 seem to be doing ok I think no? Except from the line trainers who are being killed at the moment.
I have seen the numbers on A320 and the numbers are correct. So it has to be a planning issue.
Captains on A320 seem to be doing ok I think no? Except from the line trainers who are being killed at the moment.
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I guess you guyz on A320 have nice choice either you are training pilot and do KTM,SAA,ALY,MSD,DAM or you are Capt/F/o and you go to India or Africa ha ha ha !and my friends from A320 told me salary of a Capt 320 and senior F/O 330 same same !! lol lol
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I do confirm,when you are a senior F/O 330 and you become a Cpt320, you barely see any difference at the end of the month on your salary pay slip(and for the same amount.. of duty)....!
Whaat to doo....whaat to doo..
Whaat to doo....whaat to doo..
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Hey man, they gave you this HUGE gift (for which you have signed a bond as well) and ALLOWED you to become a commander!
Who cares about the salary? Its an old story overhere. They see everything as a gift to you....
A fleet transfer is called an upgrade!
You even sign a bond of 50000USD in some case just because they want you on a different fleet!
Upgrades to Captain are being abused for all sorts of reasons: These guys awaiting their turn are too afraid to complain about anything and they just say yes the whole time.
They have a way of making everything look like a real privilege, while actually the only thing you are doing is helping out the company!
Good example is staff travel tickets! We almost have to beg them and thank them for this so called privilege, while the only thing you are doing when flying as subload staff is filling seats which otherwise would be empty!
Its a strange world!
Who cares about the salary? Its an old story overhere. They see everything as a gift to you....
A fleet transfer is called an upgrade!
You even sign a bond of 50000USD in some case just because they want you on a different fleet!
Upgrades to Captain are being abused for all sorts of reasons: These guys awaiting their turn are too afraid to complain about anything and they just say yes the whole time.
They have a way of making everything look like a real privilege, while actually the only thing you are doing is helping out the company!
Good example is staff travel tickets! We almost have to beg them and thank them for this so called privilege, while the only thing you are doing when flying as subload staff is filling seats which otherwise would be empty!
Its a strange world!
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It was not always liek that regarding A320 . If you where in QR 5-7 y beack you would know that A320 use to have special 1500 QR called ( **** fleet alowance ) becouse of duty time and f/hours .And we use to have 45 days leave but it was taken on so called salary increamnet meeting !
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A-320 roster
-"Average" flight time..:65..70h, duty time:you dubble the figure!
(you are only paid for the schedule block time,not the duty!)
-Layovers/month:....4...5 :no specific rules(most of them 24h,and in India as India is "part" of Qatar or Qatar "part" of india don't known wich one...),
others layovers: colombo,katmandu, Nairobi,Dar es salam,Seychelles ...Stockolm,Berlin,Vienna if you are lucky..!
(not even talk about those night flight in the gulf area with 3-4-5 hours on ground)
-Most of the daytime turnaround flights are taken for training flights.
-A Lot of night flight with minimum rest in between during Daytime!
-Stby: not that much 2/3 per month sometime Nil.
Generaly speaking: 320 roster is not really exciting , ..just.. tiring!
From september Roster will be made By Jeppesen Company, i guess it could only be better..!
( for info: on top of the huge inflation here :15%(and it's not over), and the devaluation of the currency, Qatar is planning to introduce soon or later..VAT...! That's the last think we need here..!
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By the way Bustrash, am i wrong or i saw that you have been successful with EK interview, and you have been put in the EK pilot pool list..?
Don't give up EK for Q.R!!!!!
-"Average" flight time..:65..70h, duty time:you dubble the figure!
(you are only paid for the schedule block time,not the duty!)
-Layovers/month:....4...5 :no specific rules(most of them 24h,and in India as India is "part" of Qatar or Qatar "part" of india don't known wich one...
),others layovers: colombo,katmandu, Nairobi,Dar es salam,Seychelles ...Stockolm,Berlin,Vienna if you are lucky..!
(not even talk about those night flight in the gulf area with 3-4-5 hours on ground)
-Most of the daytime turnaround flights are taken for training flights.
-A Lot of night flight with minimum rest in between during Daytime!
-Stby: not that much 2/3 per month sometime Nil.
Generaly speaking: 320 roster is not really exciting , ..just.. tiring!
From september Roster will be made By Jeppesen Company, i guess it could only be better..!
( for info: on top of the huge inflation here :15%(and it's not over), and the devaluation of the currency, Qatar is planning to introduce soon or later..VAT...! That's the last think we need here..!
)By the way Bustrash, am i wrong or i saw that you have been successful with EK interview, and you have been put in the EK pilot pool list..?
Don't give up EK for Q.R!!!!!
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Gents,
Hi, just out of curiosity, onto which fleet do Commands take place in QR? Do all pilots go to 320 upon getting their command. Will this be true of Boeing pilots on the 777? How will the 787 affect this?
I am looking at QR, EK and EY but more precisely the 777. Have 3800 TT and over 2400 on the B763ER. I am due command on 319 (not overly interested in flying that bird yet) in my present company by years end. I really enjoy Medium/LongHaul flying and the lifestyle it provides. What to do? Or am I nuts for even considering giving up an imminent command to fly 777s?
Cheers,
OW
Hi, just out of curiosity, onto which fleet do Commands take place in QR? Do all pilots go to 320 upon getting their command. Will this be true of Boeing pilots on the 777? How will the 787 affect this?
I am looking at QR, EK and EY but more precisely the 777. Have 3800 TT and over 2400 on the B763ER. I am due command on 319 (not overly interested in flying that bird yet) in my present company by years end. I really enjoy Medium/LongHaul flying and the lifestyle it provides. What to do? Or am I nuts for even considering giving up an imminent command to fly 777s?
Cheers,
OW
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You have 3400 h TOT ? Thats ( low experiance F/O ) so you should be happy to get any command with this hours .
In QR requirement is 5000 TOT and GA hours not considered . there is long time in front of you . And in QA all upgrades are made on A320 for naw and since QR has no long term plans and no long term management who knows whats in future .
At the moment on the SIM A320 you can see F/Os which are in airline for 4,5 or 5,5 y means avrige 5 y to command due to senority and low number of trainers . New CT (made in UK ) wants to increase requirements to 6000h tot in future .
777 is new fleet and only 1 airplane with special pilots flying it so its still new toy and NO upgrades made on 777 or any wide body aircraft.
Failure rate in QA upgrade is high :if 10 F/O is on intervew 6-8 will clear int. naw you have 6-8 going on sim and 1 avrige fail after you send this 5 to line training on final check 2 will fail . So out of 10 F/O 3-4 become Capt.
A320 fleet is full of new pilots or ex 2 officers or new upgraded Capt or senior F/Os failed on upgrade .
regarding salary EK.EY pays much better
In QR requirement is 5000 TOT and GA hours not considered . there is long time in front of you . And in QA all upgrades are made on A320 for naw and since QR has no long term plans and no long term management who knows whats in future .
At the moment on the SIM A320 you can see F/Os which are in airline for 4,5 or 5,5 y means avrige 5 y to command due to senority and low number of trainers . New CT (made in UK ) wants to increase requirements to 6000h tot in future .
777 is new fleet and only 1 airplane with special pilots flying it so its still new toy and NO upgrades made on 777 or any wide body aircraft.
Failure rate in QA upgrade is high :if 10 F/O is on intervew 6-8 will clear int. naw you have 6-8 going on sim and 1 avrige fail after you send this 5 to line training on final check 2 will fail . So out of 10 F/O 3-4 become Capt.
A320 fleet is full of new pilots or ex 2 officers or new upgraded Capt or senior F/Os failed on upgrade .
regarding salary EK.EY pays much better
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CEO Pita. Your post are very informative, no need to give explanation to anybody. You must be from Iran air or Algeria 727-100/200 or 747-100/200. I was a F/E as well for 2 years and its the hardest job ever. Good luck on your command.
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CEO Pita,
Ok thanks for clearing up a few things re. UPG, sim pass rates, etc. But waiting 5 yrs for a command is not that bad really. If and when I get my command, I will have been just under 5 yrs with the company. My point is I dont feel exactly thrilled about flying the 320 just yet. Would much prefer to be flying a 777 or 787 and I was wondering if investing 5, 6, 7 or more years in a company like EK/QR/EY would get me the wide body command instead of the SH, overworked and underpaid one that is looming for me here.
Cheers,
OW.
PS. Company requirement here is minimum 4000 Total Time. Latest 2 guys Upgraded have 5000 and 7000 respectively previous 2 guys pretty much the same, the one before them had about 6000. In each case, they were around the 4-5 year mark. So you see, kind of like QR. I will be upgrading with the bare minimums so yeah I guess am lucky in that respect.
Ok thanks for clearing up a few things re. UPG, sim pass rates, etc. But waiting 5 yrs for a command is not that bad really. If and when I get my command, I will have been just under 5 yrs with the company. My point is I dont feel exactly thrilled about flying the 320 just yet. Would much prefer to be flying a 777 or 787 and I was wondering if investing 5, 6, 7 or more years in a company like EK/QR/EY would get me the wide body command instead of the SH, overworked and underpaid one that is looming for me here.
Cheers,
OW.
PS. Company requirement here is minimum 4000 Total Time. Latest 2 guys Upgraded have 5000 and 7000 respectively previous 2 guys pretty much the same, the one before them had about 6000. In each case, they were around the 4-5 year mark. So you see, kind of like QR. I will be upgrading with the bare minimums so yeah I guess am lucky in that respect.
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Make sure its ICAO or JAR-OPS FATPL as Q CAA dont take FAA FATPL .
And it would help if you knwo someone . There is few guyz from youre country over here .
And it would help if you knwo someone . There is few guyz from youre country over here .
