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Hi chaps,
I've been reading this topic intensely because up untill a few hours ago I thought the middle east is where I want to be.
I'm only 19, I've got my PILAPT's at Flight Training Europe, Jerez and I've applied for the Cadet Scheme with EY.
My dad works out in DXB, he hates the locals and doesnt like DXB anymore because I suppose he gets a rough time. But I still love going down to visit, there and AUH and I personally thought thats where I ultimately want to be. As a 19 year old with no family ties as such I thought it would be a brilliant place for me.
Love the weather, lifestyle seems brilliant, and as a pilot I'd be doing what I love which is flying.
Having read this though its changed my mind somewhat. I dont like the U.K anymore, I couldnt get on the property market, I couldnt afford a car that I really want. Petrol is sky-high, the weather is appauling and worst of all we've got that mess of that gin primeinister we have in our G&T's.
So...any feedback would be brilliant. Would I be making a mistake if say for arguments sake I was offered a place on the EY Cadet Scheme?
Or as a young single person does it still have more to offer?
Cheers,
Mike
I've been reading this topic intensely because up untill a few hours ago I thought the middle east is where I want to be.
I'm only 19, I've got my PILAPT's at Flight Training Europe, Jerez and I've applied for the Cadet Scheme with EY.
My dad works out in DXB, he hates the locals and doesnt like DXB anymore because I suppose he gets a rough time. But I still love going down to visit, there and AUH and I personally thought thats where I ultimately want to be. As a 19 year old with no family ties as such I thought it would be a brilliant place for me.
Love the weather, lifestyle seems brilliant, and as a pilot I'd be doing what I love which is flying.
Having read this though its changed my mind somewhat. I dont like the U.K anymore, I couldnt get on the property market, I couldnt afford a car that I really want. Petrol is sky-high, the weather is appauling and worst of all we've got that mess of that gin primeinister we have in our G&T's.
So...any feedback would be brilliant. Would I be making a mistake if say for arguments sake I was offered a place on the EY Cadet Scheme?
Or as a young single person does it still have more to offer?
Cheers,
Mike
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Hi Mike,
The best one can do when starting a career is to find out as much information as possible on the chosen profession and the opportunities it might bring. This applies to everything one does, be it work, business or investment opportunities. (ie research and due diligence).
Asking for advise in this forum is part of that research but don't base your decision solely on the responses received herein. You will find many negative viewpoints in this forum and in many cases justifiable criticism of working conditions but this alone is not justification for basing your decision of a career path.
There are pros and cons in all things and the 'green grass syndrome' is extremely prevalent in this industry.
The best thing you can do is study and get yourself physically and mentally prepared for your future career. Work on building a positive mental attitude and take the opportunities that present themselves.
Many of us had to work our way from scratch without the opportunity of cadet programs or scholarships. Many had to work double jobs to pay for flying and to live in undesirable places in order to get those extra hours and experience that would lead to a better job. So the current pilot shortage is opening up many opportunities for new comers.
The aviation industry has changed substantially over the years and in your lifetime will continue to change. At 19 you are at the start of your flying career. One of the best things about the current aviation industry is that if one is not happy with their current employer there are always opportunities elsewhere.
All the very best..
The best one can do when starting a career is to find out as much information as possible on the chosen profession and the opportunities it might bring. This applies to everything one does, be it work, business or investment opportunities. (ie research and due diligence).
Asking for advise in this forum is part of that research but don't base your decision solely on the responses received herein. You will find many negative viewpoints in this forum and in many cases justifiable criticism of working conditions but this alone is not justification for basing your decision of a career path.
There are pros and cons in all things and the 'green grass syndrome' is extremely prevalent in this industry.
The best thing you can do is study and get yourself physically and mentally prepared for your future career. Work on building a positive mental attitude and take the opportunities that present themselves.
Many of us had to work our way from scratch without the opportunity of cadet programs or scholarships. Many had to work double jobs to pay for flying and to live in undesirable places in order to get those extra hours and experience that would lead to a better job. So the current pilot shortage is opening up many opportunities for new comers.
The aviation industry has changed substantially over the years and in your lifetime will continue to change. At 19 you are at the start of your flying career. One of the best things about the current aviation industry is that if one is not happy with their current employer there are always opportunities elsewhere.
All the very best..
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DOB. Thanks very much for your response.
I understand your comments, flying is something that I've always known that I wanted to do. Both in my heart and my head. Multiple members of my family are in the aviation industry, so I've had the opportunity to travel relatively cheaply and speak with many pilots along my journeys.
I decided from a young age that it was what I wanted to do and so I have always aimed myself at this.
I had anticipated a few responses along the lines of dont work for this company etc etc but to be honest I think I need to do whatever I feel right. However I did want feedback and suggestions on what it would be like for me for example as a single person within this airline specifically.
I'm a great believer of good things come to those who wait...and up untill the turn of 2008 things were not good. However I've so far been given a great opportunity to try and prove myself next month to FTE and have the qualifications and drive to apply for the EY Cadet Pilot Scheme. I'm looking to keep all my options open and so once again I appreciate your response.
I'm hoping it works out well for me regardless and I cant see myself in any other career but flying.
Thank you once again,
Regards
Mike
I understand your comments, flying is something that I've always known that I wanted to do. Both in my heart and my head. Multiple members of my family are in the aviation industry, so I've had the opportunity to travel relatively cheaply and speak with many pilots along my journeys.
I decided from a young age that it was what I wanted to do and so I have always aimed myself at this.
I had anticipated a few responses along the lines of dont work for this company etc etc but to be honest I think I need to do whatever I feel right. However I did want feedback and suggestions on what it would be like for me for example as a single person within this airline specifically.
I'm a great believer of good things come to those who wait...and up untill the turn of 2008 things were not good. However I've so far been given a great opportunity to try and prove myself next month to FTE and have the qualifications and drive to apply for the EY Cadet Pilot Scheme. I'm looking to keep all my options open and so once again I appreciate your response.
I'm hoping it works out well for me regardless and I cant see myself in any other career but flying.
Thank you once again,
Regards
Mike
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Pilot....
Ok Mike. Think about it. Look at the market in the States. If some of the Major Airlines collapse what will the market be like then? Not to mention some financially shaky Airlines in Europe. Having been made redundant many times and having had to work in less than savoury Airlines and locations please take my advice and become a plumber - or something.
Do you want to continually work in the middle of the night locked in a box? The glamour and the glory are no longer here, and as for the pay...... However, as they say, yer pays yer money and you take yer chance.
All the best whatever you do.
NJ
Do you want to continually work in the middle of the night locked in a box? The glamour and the glory are no longer here, and as for the pay...... However, as they say, yer pays yer money and you take yer chance.
All the best whatever you do.
NJ
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Are there any good things in EY ?
Hi guys
after reading all your comments on the awful housing situation at EY now I wonder if there are any other "half-truths"
about EY benefits....
-what about the medical insurance for pilots and families? does it work efficiently?
-is it easy for you or your families to get a seat on board while using ID tickets?
Waiting for your info....
after reading all your comments on the awful housing situation at EY now I wonder if there are any other "half-truths"
about EY benefits....-what about the medical insurance for pilots and families? does it work efficiently?
-is it easy for you or your families to get a seat on board while using ID tickets?
Waiting for your info....
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EY is fat on A330 and A340 crews, thus they can play the rough game with them....Nobody's leaving yet, isn't it ?
On A320, though, things are different, Mixed fleet is a long time gone dream and/or lie, upgrades all go on A320, coz nobody wants to go there with lower salary, poor lay-over accomodation , crazy changing rosters, hardly any more than a day in advance planning.
Of course all these bad aspects come on top of the usual Pathetihad crap, like:
Poor medical
Accomodation nightmare
Day to day harrassment
Poor rostering
Non cooperative policies
etc etc....
On A320, though, things are different, Mixed fleet is a long time gone dream and/or lie, upgrades all go on A320, coz nobody wants to go there with lower salary, poor lay-over accomodation , crazy changing rosters, hardly any more than a day in advance planning.
Of course all these bad aspects come on top of the usual Pathetihad crap, like:
Poor medical
Accomodation nightmare
Day to day harrassment
Poor rostering
Non cooperative policies
etc etc....
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Hey Ghazal
I'm on the 320 and couldn't be happier yes maybe a few pennies shorter on cash than the other lot
but i'm home almost every night our night stop places are grand for a seasoned campaigner like myself
big deal i've had 2 roster changes in 3 months and they were just day trips
i feel a bit for the new joiners of late they are havin a bad time with housing
as regards schooling its called " Wasta '
either you have it or you don't
they're not great but believe you me they will do fine
until oil comes down to 80$ a barrel
S.L.
I'm on the 320 and couldn't be happier yes maybe a few pennies shorter on cash than the other lot
but i'm home almost every night our night stop places are grand for a seasoned campaigner like myself
big deal i've had 2 roster changes in 3 months and they were just day trips
i feel a bit for the new joiners of late they are havin a bad time with housing
as regards schooling its called " Wasta '
either you have it or you don't
they're not great but believe you me they will do fine
until oil comes down to 80$ a barrel
S.L.
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You just can't excuse them because where you come from is worse....
Look up, not down....
Maybe you have connections with rostering, but so far, between the layovers and the night trips to CAI, TRV, COK, DAM, and the famous KRT....almost everyone can say that life is tough compared to ther fleets...
Let's take 2 examples :
KRT night turnaround is usually often planned with 2 pilots on the A320 fleet, whereas on the A330, they are 4.... Where did we see that the A320 was faster than an A330? maybe turnaround time is shorter, but hey, KRT is well known for being dangerous....so safety is not an issue on A320 now ?
Transit Checks in outstations ....
A320 captains are required to sign out the aircraft in IKA, BOM, COK, TRV, DOH etc... just because they want to cut costs, and of course with no compensation for the additionnal responsability....
Why don't the A330 and A340 skippers do the same and put their hands in the hydraulic fluid, oil and Jet A1 ?? Wonder why ?
When you fly almost 90 hours plus AVLB days on an A320, even if you are home often, in which shape are you Superman ?
Another one for the UAE Flag carrier :
The 2 new A320's EIF and EIG cming from Indigo, with a full Economy lowcost configiration, guess what ???
They gonna stay in this configuration without even a wet galley, because it's too expensive to retrofit them in 2 class configuration....
Do you think we will require Inspired Cabin crews for No service except cold sandwiches for 3 hours sectors ?
Welcome to ETIHAD EXPRESS, The most expensive low cost carrier of the Middle East.
Look up, not down....
Maybe you have connections with rostering, but so far, between the layovers and the night trips to CAI, TRV, COK, DAM, and the famous KRT....almost everyone can say that life is tough compared to ther fleets...
Let's take 2 examples :
KRT night turnaround is usually often planned with 2 pilots on the A320 fleet, whereas on the A330, they are 4.... Where did we see that the A320 was faster than an A330? maybe turnaround time is shorter, but hey, KRT is well known for being dangerous....so safety is not an issue on A320 now ?
Transit Checks in outstations ....
A320 captains are required to sign out the aircraft in IKA, BOM, COK, TRV, DOH etc... just because they want to cut costs, and of course with no compensation for the additionnal responsability....
Why don't the A330 and A340 skippers do the same and put their hands in the hydraulic fluid, oil and Jet A1 ?? Wonder why ?
When you fly almost 90 hours plus AVLB days on an A320, even if you are home often, in which shape are you Superman ?
Another one for the UAE Flag carrier :
The 2 new A320's EIF and EIG cming from Indigo, with a full Economy lowcost configiration, guess what ???
They gonna stay in this configuration without even a wet galley, because it's too expensive to retrofit them in 2 class configuration....
Do you think we will require Inspired Cabin crews for No service except cold sandwiches for 3 hours sectors ?
Welcome to ETIHAD EXPRESS, The most expensive low cost carrier of the Middle East.
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Not going to enter a discussion
but i agree with you on EIF EIG
sorry its 4 pilots on night KRT
got our transit authority but it ain't being used yet !!
90 hours a month - sorry 65-70 more like it
and yes i prefer a meal on kovalam beach better than crap in LHR FRA or wherever
been there done that but never got a t-shirt
S.L.
but i agree with you on EIF EIG
sorry its 4 pilots on night KRT
got our transit authority but it ain't being used yet !!
90 hours a month - sorry 65-70 more like it
and yes i prefer a meal on kovalam beach better than crap in LHR FRA or wherever
been there done that but never got a t-shirt
S.L.
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Well, aggree with you on a few points...but still......
There is no perfect place, but why look down as we can look up and raise our concerns...I do, and I must admit, without any positive result yet....
Some keep discovering, In Etihad we keep trying............
There is no perfect place, but why look down as we can look up and raise our concerns...I do, and I must admit, without any positive result yet....
Some keep discovering, In Etihad we keep trying............
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think someone here is grossly and out of some, but not all proportions, making mountains out of mole hills!!!!!
come on, reality please. i dont know one guy changing the oil, hydraulics etc etc..... even though the paperwork may read in a certain direction!
heres to living in the sandpit!
rockin
come on, reality please. i dont know one guy changing the oil, hydraulics etc etc..... even though the paperwork may read in a certain direction!
heres to living in the sandpit!
rockin
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The question is :
Why do A320 skippers have to take the responsability of a transit check while the A330 A340 B777 skippers don't at the same outstations ??
Just to save the cost of ridding engineers, or a decent technical assistance , as A320 have more daily flights ??
Doesn't make sense....
Of course, nobody will touch hydraulic fluid, but that's what the course is about, hydraulic refill and oil refill...... Based on EY past experience , hardly anything came from worse to better in many areas, so why should this one ?
Why do A320 skippers have to take the responsability of a transit check while the A330 A340 B777 skippers don't at the same outstations ??
Just to save the cost of ridding engineers, or a decent technical assistance , as A320 have more daily flights ??
Doesn't make sense....
Of course, nobody will touch hydraulic fluid, but that's what the course is about, hydraulic refill and oil refill...... Based on EY past experience , hardly anything came from worse to better in many areas, so why should this one ?
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Regarding Parking lot, no way I'm gonna pay, Crew Control can wait for me then !!!!!!
Regarding the package as it seems to be this thread's subject.
The good things to me are:
The subload tickets : travelling is quite easy
Crew atmosphere on board is relaxed
Aircrafts are new except the A320s which really s
k
Job security
Life in AUH is quite fine except summer
I heard about an AUH urban legend called profit sharing, could not see it though...
The rest is as follows:
Medical is pretty bad; not that I did expect anything here but they seem so proud of it, can't believe there are so many exceptions...... You hardly can have a doctor appointment reimbursed..... Good luck if you have kids....
Accomodation , what accomodation ? Mussafah Swamp ? or pay 7000 AED monthly your pocket to get a villa while others get flats or other villas for free ? The entire thing sucks so much, you just can't believe
Pension ? No
Stable Rosters ? Depend on your ability to sk rostering' bs
Training ? Provided you can fit in the seat and say yes
Layover accomodations ? could be way better for a national airline
Promotion ? See rostering
Overall salary isn't too bad for F/O's, and an insult for Capains not talking about the lack of exchange rate protection like North of AUH.
No crew transportation
Wish I could have gone EK but not too late, they still call me
Regarding the package as it seems to be this thread's subject.
The good things to me are:
The subload tickets : travelling is quite easy
Crew atmosphere on board is relaxed
Aircrafts are new except the A320s which really s
kJob security
Life in AUH is quite fine except summer
I heard about an AUH urban legend called profit sharing, could not see it though...
The rest is as follows:
Medical is pretty bad; not that I did expect anything here but they seem so proud of it, can't believe there are so many exceptions...... You hardly can have a doctor appointment reimbursed..... Good luck if you have kids....
Accomodation , what accomodation ? Mussafah Swamp ? or pay 7000 AED monthly your pocket to get a villa while others get flats or other villas for free ? The entire thing sucks so much, you just can't believe
Pension ? No
Stable Rosters ? Depend on your ability to s
k rostering' bsTraining ? Provided you can fit in the seat and say yes
Layover accomodations ? could be way better for a national airline
Promotion ? See rostering
Overall salary isn't too bad for F/O's, and an insult for Capains not talking about the lack of exchange rate protection like North of AUH.
No crew transportation
Wish I could have gone EK but not too late, they still call me
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Will eventually go...
I've put off my EK interview so I don't have to repay the lousy furniture and training bond if I leave in September. My left seat slot is also coming up in 10 months so I'd better get those 2000 golden command hours and go marching to EK where I can expect bonus, better housing, better retirement plan, better education. I'm joining the exodus so let's all do it fellas!!