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V Australia is coming to town

Old 30th Apr 2008, 11:13
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I guess that the V team are now going to have a job tempting 777 drivers away from one of the most profitable international airlines that has just give its staff a 14 week bonus.
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Old 30th Apr 2008, 17:12
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Yes indeed. The '14 week' feel good factor is going to take a while to wear off so V may now not get as many as they had hoped to poach.

120,000 dhs should get me a new pair of rose coloured RayBans, boob job for the Mrs, upgrade to the 4x4....... life in Dubai starting to look good again!
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Old 2nd May 2008, 17:35
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Ideally V Australia Flight Crew will have the following experience:

Captain
8,000 hours total flying time.
4,000 hours on jet aircraft in excess of 40,000 kgs.
3,000 hours in command of multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 40,000 kgs.
Current ICAO ATPL, command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical.
B777 type rating desirable.
Wide body, long haul experience desirable.
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension).
Demonstrated experience in a leadership capacity.
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment.
The desire to learn and grow.

Senior First Officer
4,000 hours total flying time.
2,000 hours multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft experience in excess of 40,000 kgs.
Current ICAO ATPL, command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical.
B777 type rating desirable.
Wide body, long haul experience desirable.
English language fluency (written and verbal comprehension).
Demonstrated experience in a leadership capacity.
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment.
The desire to learn and grow.

First Officer (Cruise Relief Co-Pilot)
1,000 hours fixed wing experience (turbine experience desirable).
500 hours on multi-engine aircraft.
Current ICAO ATPL, or an Australian CPL with passes in all ATPL theory subjects.
Command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical.
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension).
An ability to work collaboratively within a team of professionals.
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment.
The desire to learn and grow.
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Old 2nd May 2008, 20:05
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I was rather surprised to hear the names of some of the starters for lunch at Aussie Legends next week and how many admitted to going. 3 days of interviews, even if every pilot being interviewed isn't from EK, most will be, and we're talking a lot of pilots.

If even one on four of those who turn up for the interview decide to walk the walk, EK will have a crisis on their hands, and very soon - like before the end of the year. They'll have to re-address their policy on basings (or park some aeroplanes over on the fence by the 707), 'coz that's the point nearly every one I spoke to made to me. They're willing to take a major hit in the pocket to get their families out of the madhouse Dubai has become, but they'd stay if A.A.R. or T.C. would agree to them flying a roster with some pairings starting and finishing in Australia.

It's going to happen eventually, but probably not before they've lost too many of the kind of people they should be doing everything they can to keep with their current expansion plans.
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Old 3rd May 2008, 05:47
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Dream on, i'm sorry to say. It would be opening up a pandoras box. If Aussies get it, Europeans just as Americans will ask for it -- a never ending story. They'd rather fill their empty seats with prop drivers from all over the place than give any basing, such is their paranoia of losing control and a couple of dirhams in Dubai that will be spent elsewhere. The hugely increased training cost is hidden somewhere else and compensated by a few weeks less on our future bonus.
This years bonus will keep a nice rosy cloud over many newbees, until they get next years tiny one (cyclic) on top of 12% inflation. But then they have already signed, are still in temporary accomodation, the family still waiting back home with the appartement cost killing the budget.
If with these conditions you speculate on a basing to come, i think VA would be the better option, even financially on the long run. And your risk of divorce or your kids beeing badly influenced by the abysmal mentality around the sandpit is greatly reduced. And these things cost heaploads of money, believe me .......
Go for the interview, i'll try anyway, but make your decision once EK gives the new T&Cs. It will be the moment of truth. If HH pretends to know about our eroding package, then he has to deliver.
The bonus was great, thanks, - allthough we put the money in the box beforehand with our crap rosters, it's only a payback, - they intelligently withheld the box and if things had turned up a little worse, they would have kept it for themselves. We just got our input back with a teeny extra. But we now have to see at least the official inflation (11+%), + 3% contractual increase, + 16% on education (official cap) and 20% on housing (estimated rent increase) or else HH was paying lipservice and EK demonstrates that they accept a bigger profit for them and at the same time accept, fully aware, that our net income decreases. That would be a yellow light!

only about two more weeks and we'll see
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Old 3rd May 2008, 06:33
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They'd rather fill their empty seats with prop drivers from all over the place than give any basing,
That's not the problem they're facing, GMDS. There are sufficient (though not plentiful!!) qualified applicants. What there isn't is capacity to train them. With the system at full speed, they still can't train enough people just to keep up with the aircraft orders. If anyone leaves, that's one more place they cant train fast enough to fill, and that's how it will be for the next several years.

Retention, rather than recruitment, will become the critical factor in the next year or so, so EK just might start coming up with some "inovative" ways of persuading people to stay.
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Old 3rd May 2008, 07:00
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Bang on Wiz. Recruitment is not retention. The former has never (well rarely) been an issue at EK. The latter will become increasingly so. It's all very well to rub hands with glee at the glut of US applicants, but when you can't train or house them....? Add in the "Dubai factor" that will kick in for them, hard, after a few months...no, getting them in the door isn't the issue. That's what all the smoke and mirrors is for.

I'm not Oz but if I was, I would be looking at places like V as "Australia first, T&C's second"...
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Old 3rd May 2008, 08:18
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That's not the problem they're facing, GMDS. There are sufficient (though not plentiful!!) qualified applicants. What there isn't is capacity to train them
Wiz

I apologize to all prop drivers. It's not that i think they couldn't do the job. It's just: Give a average Joe 18 instead of 4 wheels and he will need an awful lot of training and exercise to master it.
You state that there are plentiful of qualified applicants. Well, there we disagree. With qualified i mean that they can be handed off online with simply a conversion, be it type or sops. This is barely sufficient with the mostly RJ experienced freshmen we get. They are not bad aviators, but out of their league for a (too) long time, until they build up experience on heavies with swept wings. Energy management problems all over (same goes for many DECs).

Retention, rather than recruitment, will become the critical factor in the next year or so, so EK just might start coming up with some "inovative" ways of persuading people to stay
Spot on! This will cause some heavy pain to a number of our mismanagement desk astronauts because their retention happened somewhere else up to now .....
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Old 3rd May 2008, 15:19
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GMDS - what aircraft has 4 wheels?
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Old 3rd May 2008, 15:35
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What aircraft has 4 wheels?

The Harrier GR3 had 5!
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Old 3rd May 2008, 16:12
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Talking about the average Joe, I chose a analogy: I thought about the more common 2 dimensions. Joe mainly moves 4 wheels but his cousin drives a 18 wheeler.
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Old 3rd May 2008, 19:21
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You, my friend, do not know the whole story!
If you know someone IN VOZ then ask them.
I was totally shocked, but not too suprised. Disappointed more likely. And sorry for those guys that missed out because of this one guy (who I believe has since been replaced with a chap from Sth Africa).

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Those pax were lucky there was a TrgCap down the back or they were going to ditch off the coast! Aren't there sharks there..?
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Old 3rd May 2008, 19:30
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Those pax were lucky there was a TrgCap down the back or they were going to ditch off the coast!
'Fraid that one is an urban myth that's been doing the round for decades!!.

The two instances in the last three years of QF having to go below minima in Perth have been handled OK, if you allow for the fact that they were allowed to blunder into Perth with no alternate by the (stoopid!!) Aussie rules!!
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Old 4th May 2008, 04:54
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'Fraid that one is an urban myth that's been doing the round for decades
Well Wiz, I for one remember hearing about that particular 'urban myth' a whole 24 hours after it (didn't????) happen.
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Old 4th May 2008, 05:02
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Thumbs up 2dots

Hey fellas, Emirates isn't the ONLY airline in the world that has 777 pilots for hire so don't kid yourselves. V has been to Hong Kong, all around Aus plus anywhere else they want to. If they don't fill the slots (which I very much doubt having interviewed about 3 pilots for every vacancy) , then they will probably offer the slots to the American pilots that they have phoned on the 1st round of interviews. There are PLENTY of 777 pilots to fill these slots and I'd put money on them having more than enough after this round of interviews.
Good luck to the blokes who really want the job...... 2dots
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Old 4th May 2008, 05:22
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Well Wiz, I for one remember hearing about that particular 'urban myth' a whole 24 hours after it (didn't????) happen.
I'm specifically talking about the alleged incident where a Qantas skipper was apparently planning to ditch as Perth had fog, till a (Ansett Captain? QF Training Captain? Overseas Captain? I heard several versions) sent a message up suggesting an autoland.

I first heard it around 1987, and it was old then. Is that when you heard it did(n't) happen?
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Old 4th May 2008, 10:35
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Help Anyone.

Just had a phone call from someone regarding these Dubai Interviews.He is a late runner with no feedback from the V Australia web site .
Have they finished in Dubai ?
Is it too late to contact them ?
Is there a contact number at all that I can pass on ?
Cheers.
and Thanks
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Old 4th May 2008, 14:27
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I understand that the application process finished several months ago...

Someone mentioned that they had 1500 applications - not sure if this is true?

Good luck anyhow

SOC
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Old 4th May 2008, 15:04
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There are tons of 777 drivers from singapore and malaysia.Emirates will fill them up and these guys do not complain about currency problem.
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Old 5th May 2008, 05:28
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How do I get an interview at this late stage

Has anyone got a number to ring for an interview with VA ?
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