Etihad upgrades are on A320
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I have nothing against you or any other DEC mate. It’s the concept which is wrong. Sorry if we do not agree but when I came here it was a career movement or I thought it was. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.
I am sure a lot of people have found our posts very useful. What gives me great “relief” is when I inform others about the real working conditions. Our main source of pilots nowadays is from airlines like Air Arabia and Qatar. These poor guys have the wrong perception about EY. They think that we have better salary better working conditions and command prospect is better. The EY recruitment team is lying as usual. They are promising 320/330 MFF for those that are coming as A320 DECs while working conditions are getting worst and worst day by day.
I have nothing against you or any other DEC mate. It’s the concept which is wrong. Sorry if we do not agree but when I came here it was a career movement or I thought it was. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.
I am sure a lot of people have found our posts very useful. What gives me great “relief” is when I inform others about the real working conditions. Our main source of pilots nowadays is from airlines like Air Arabia and Qatar. These poor guys have the wrong perception about EY. They think that we have better salary better working conditions and command prospect is better. The EY recruitment team is lying as usual. They are promising 320/330 MFF for those that are coming as A320 DECs while working conditions are getting worst and worst day by day.
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Relief well said, now you're talking.
Sadly I dont have first hand experience in promises made in the interview. I was told by the guys on my course who are f/o's that they were told to expect about 3 years for command. I also agree that when you've accepted a job knowing that in 3 years you are eligible for a w/b command and suddenly that becomes a n/b command it's both frustration and dissapointing.
However if the expansion plan they have in mind materializes (order of about 100 aircraft soon coming) then I seriously doubt that any of you guys will be flying for long the A320.
Cheers
Sadly I dont have first hand experience in promises made in the interview. I was told by the guys on my course who are f/o's that they were told to expect about 3 years for command. I also agree that when you've accepted a job knowing that in 3 years you are eligible for a w/b command and suddenly that becomes a n/b command it's both frustration and dissapointing.
However if the expansion plan they have in mind materializes (order of about 100 aircraft soon coming) then I seriously doubt that any of you guys will be flying for long the A320.
Cheers
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The End
Guys I think that we can stop this subjet.
People will be Upgrade on 320. May be a few will get 330 there is always
lucky guys...
After all this thread conclusion are
1. Upgrades are coming
2. Salary have to be improve or fixed ( huge distance 320=340)
320 cap. will never get 50k in a overtime month....
3. Command it is command !!! so Take it.
4. Many lies on Iterviews
5. PLEASE, MINIMUN DECs !!!!!
Fly safe !!!!!
People will be Upgrade on 320. May be a few will get 330 there is always
lucky guys...
After all this thread conclusion are
1. Upgrades are coming
2. Salary have to be improve or fixed ( huge distance 320=340)
320 cap. will never get 50k in a overtime month....
3. Command it is command !!! so Take it.
4. Many lies on Iterviews
5. PLEASE, MINIMUN DECs !!!!!
Fly safe !!!!!
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boeing upgrades
Why should boeing pilots not upgrade on 330. Why compare a 6 year to a 6 month pilot on type? After all, the boeing guys are ALL more senior to be upgraded. If the acft types we reversed, I wonder if airbus pilots would be bitching about upgrading on boeing types?
After all, isn't it bad enough we have to re-train for airbus??
PS : I'm sure you are now convinced about the boeing guys upgrading on 330 in May.
After all, isn't it bad enough we have to re-train for airbus??
PS : I'm sure you are now convinced about the boeing guys upgrading on 330 in May.
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YES you may be Senior Pal , BUT OM-A clearly STATES .
That Crossfleet Upgrades shall be done on Fleets with Vacancy .
SO that is A-320 Period .
So , Again Management is not complying with what is in Black and White or at least they havent clearly said so.
I may be mistaken and you will be going to A-320
After some of you 777 guys have already gone to airbus recently there have been suddenly U/G vacancies on 777 . Is this not so ?
This is just bad Planning and it seems its gonna continue .
Have fun with the Airbus .
That Crossfleet Upgrades shall be done on Fleets with Vacancy .
SO that is A-320 Period .
So , Again Management is not complying with what is in Black and White or at least they havent clearly said so.
I may be mistaken and you will be going to A-320
After some of you 777 guys have already gone to airbus recently there have been suddenly U/G vacancies on 777 . Is this not so ?
This is just bad Planning and it seems its gonna continue .
Have fun with the Airbus .
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Hey Cantilever you are right ,
Now that you mentioned it . They should be transparent and publish the Seniority List of the F/O only with their actual hours .
This way at least we all know who is next in line .
safe Flying
Now that you mentioned it . They should be transparent and publish the Seniority List of the F/O only with their actual hours .
This way at least we all know who is next in line .
safe Flying
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Cantilever
You are spot on.
A320PLT
From your comment I can see that you have no idea about Middle East. You can get whatever you want in writing but that doesn’t mean much.
Let’s read again the new “written” policy below:
"As part of a longer term strategy the A320 fleet has been selected as general base model for direct internal command courses. This rule applies for command courses starting in May 2008".
"Herewith Etihad follows general best practice of the major carriers of the world and will be able to cover the steady demand on the rapidly growing A320 fleet. In any case internal upgrades should have priority over the hiring of direct entry captains whenever possible."VPFO( Acting ) ...
Now let’s start counting how many DECs will join the A330/340 fleet after this new policy was introduced.
Our managers don’t even follow their own “written plans”. Few months ago when the A320 was introduced they came up with a policy of no upgrades due to “safety” concerns. Then of course most A320 FOs were asking the obvious: How are we going to be upgraded if there are no upgrades on the A320? Our managers’ answer: All upgrades will be on the base model, the A330. This is what they were giving in writing up to one day before they sent us this crap.
Also few months ago they sent us their “written” plan which was about the number of upgrades per month including B777 FOs. All upgrades were for the A330to cover a 6 month period Jan-June. Well here you go. Now we have a new “written” plan-policy right in the middle of the previous one.
SandDragon
All B777 FOs who are due for upgrade will fly the A330 from the right seat for 6 months in order to gain the necessary Airbus experience. After the 6 months it will be left seat A320 for them.
You are spot on.
A320PLT
From your comment I can see that you have no idea about Middle East. You can get whatever you want in writing but that doesn’t mean much.
Let’s read again the new “written” policy below:
"As part of a longer term strategy the A320 fleet has been selected as general base model for direct internal command courses. This rule applies for command courses starting in May 2008".
"Herewith Etihad follows general best practice of the major carriers of the world and will be able to cover the steady demand on the rapidly growing A320 fleet. In any case internal upgrades should have priority over the hiring of direct entry captains whenever possible."VPFO( Acting ) ...
Now let’s start counting how many DECs will join the A330/340 fleet after this new policy was introduced.
Our managers don’t even follow their own “written plans”. Few months ago when the A320 was introduced they came up with a policy of no upgrades due to “safety” concerns. Then of course most A320 FOs were asking the obvious: How are we going to be upgraded if there are no upgrades on the A320? Our managers’ answer: All upgrades will be on the base model, the A330. This is what they were giving in writing up to one day before they sent us this crap.
Also few months ago they sent us their “written” plan which was about the number of upgrades per month including B777 FOs. All upgrades were for the A330to cover a 6 month period Jan-June. Well here you go. Now we have a new “written” plan-policy right in the middle of the previous one.
SandDragon
All B777 FOs who are due for upgrade will fly the A330 from the right seat for 6 months in order to gain the necessary Airbus experience. After the 6 months it will be left seat A320 for them.
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From your comment I can see that you have no idea about Middle East. You can get whatever you want in writing but that doesn’t mean much.
No I don't so I look to you guys in the mix to let me know. Thanks by the way. I don't understand the whole fly in a aircraft six months in order to upgrade in it. I guess one of the many differences over there.
From your comment I can see that you have no idea about Middle East. You can get whatever you want in writing but that doesn’t mean much.
No I don't so I look to you guys in the mix to let me know. Thanks by the way. I don't understand the whole fly in a aircraft six months in order to upgrade in it. I guess one of the many differences over there.
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Isn`t changing upgrades from 330 to 320 an erosion of terms and conditions already
I feel sorry for the FOs who have to upgrade on 320 (workwise, money, lifestyle etc.) and remember EY has no approval from GCAA for MFF 320/330 up to now. What kind of FOs does EY want to attract now when they have to wait 3-4 years (at least) for command on the 320, when you can have it on a WB down the road?
As you say :Things should be getting better not worse.
By the way :
Command 320 - CCQ 330 = 15 days ground course / 18 sim. sess.
Command 330 - CCQ 320 = 10 days ground course / 14 sim. sess.
But who cares about money - can`t be stabilized early enough on approach!
Isn`t changing upgrades from 330 to 320 an erosion of terms and conditions already
I feel sorry for the FOs who have to upgrade on 320 (workwise, money, lifestyle etc.) and remember EY has no approval from GCAA for MFF 320/330 up to now. What kind of FOs does EY want to attract now when they have to wait 3-4 years (at least) for command on the 320, when you can have it on a WB down the road?
As you say :Things should be getting better not worse.
By the way :
Command 320 - CCQ 330 = 15 days ground course / 18 sim. sess.
Command 330 - CCQ 320 = 10 days ground course / 14 sim. sess.
But who cares about money - can`t be stabilized early enough on approach!
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Boeing-man, so the base aircraft is now changed back to the 330, correct? Well if it’s true then we have a new record then. The previous policy was published less than a month ago and is now changed again.
I have to agree with Sandyballs on this. The way they do things is a disgrace. Our future depends on how many applications from DECs they have at any given time. It looks like they are unable to attract more DECs for the time being so they have decided to keep their options open. No wonder why they do not want to have a clear policy on this.
Never mind I don’t really care anymore. I enjoy watching all the new DECs who complain and cry like babies after they realize what they have done to their self’s and their family by coming here. I hope they enjoy the new company housing in mussafa industrial camp.
I have to agree with Sandyballs on this. The way they do things is a disgrace. Our future depends on how many applications from DECs they have at any given time. It looks like they are unable to attract more DECs for the time being so they have decided to keep their options open. No wonder why they do not want to have a clear policy on this.
Never mind I don’t really care anymore. I enjoy watching all the new DECs who complain and cry like babies after they realize what they have done to their self’s and their family by coming here. I hope they enjoy the new company housing in mussafa industrial camp.
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Relief,
You should be ashamed of yourself.
With statements like that you just show everyone how immature and childish you are.
I enjoy watching all the new DECs who complain and cry like babies after they realize what they have done to their self’s and their family by coming here.
With statements like that you just show everyone how immature and childish you are.
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Never wish for others what yoiu wouldn't want for yourself.
DECs make their decisions based on the market and the companies'offers.
Why should you blame them ????
I'm not one of them, but maybe I'll have to become one , one day, you never tknow what future is made of.
You should blame the management that is doing this instead of promoting their own people..... Guess what, they don't care , coz you're already in EY, and they don't need to attract you again.
They trapped you already, and they need to trap more, by using DEC, upgrades, widebody mirage offers, keeping in mind that they never gonna give anybody anything.
We have to stand up and all together, even if I know that it's an expat and individual world. EY succeed in making all people angry, sothat it makes it easier to have more and more people aiming for the same goal
Have EY changed shorlty or Leave
That's the first time in years that I can see such a wide disappointment , nad more important a silent and strong will .
EY Mgt knows, and the more silent it is, the worse it is for them as they don't know what's going on.....
A lot of guys meet already together , moaning , but having common thoughts and decisions, and yes Mgt has to worry.......
Can't wait to see that...it takes time but it's cooking so hard
DECs make their decisions based on the market and the companies'offers.
Why should you blame them ????
I'm not one of them, but maybe I'll have to become one , one day, you never tknow what future is made of.
You should blame the management that is doing this instead of promoting their own people..... Guess what, they don't care , coz you're already in EY, and they don't need to attract you again.
They trapped you already, and they need to trap more, by using DEC, upgrades, widebody mirage offers, keeping in mind that they never gonna give anybody anything.
We have to stand up and all together, even if I know that it's an expat and individual world. EY succeed in making all people angry, sothat it makes it easier to have more and more people aiming for the same goal
Have EY changed shorlty or Leave
That's the first time in years that I can see such a wide disappointment , nad more important a silent and strong will .
EY Mgt knows, and the more silent it is, the worse it is for them as they don't know what's going on.....
A lot of guys meet already together , moaning , but having common thoughts and decisions, and yes Mgt has to worry.......
Can't wait to see that...it takes time but it's cooking so hard
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Since we're inexperienced to cmd widebody's how is farting around to BAH, DOH and MCT etc gonna help us fly to Europe, USA and Ozz? Also don't see EK having much of a prob upgrading their F/O's onto the widebodies. Fair enough they have nothing smaller but the point is they are not having any issues upgrading directly onto the widebody. Come up with a better excuse!!!!!!!!!!!