Salary in EK
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Bypass trust me nobody at EK is jealous over your 20 hours of "overtime". With the "Touch&Go's" that now constitute ULR here you definitely earned every fil.
Question: The original questioner wanted salary information in order to assist in a very important decision for him and probably his family. You responded by giving a windfall month (3 out of 16?!). Was that really helpful to our potential colleague?
What if that was what you had read on Prune 22 months ago and accepted the offer based on the mistaken belief that "overtime" was available every month? I suspect you would be somewhat dissapointed now having only been in it 3 out of 16 months.
Oh & BTW, in a debate, once you start taking it personally you've basically lost.
Scaglietti
Question: The original questioner wanted salary information in order to assist in a very important decision for him and probably his family. You responded by giving a windfall month (3 out of 16?!). Was that really helpful to our potential colleague?
What if that was what you had read on Prune 22 months ago and accepted the offer based on the mistaken belief that "overtime" was available every month? I suspect you would be somewhat dissapointed now having only been in it 3 out of 16 months.
Oh & BTW, in a debate, once you start taking it personally you've basically lost.
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thanks for the info guys...it is important to me to get a gauge as to what sort of hours you guys are getting, where i am coming from i am averaging 90hours/month and making the move to EK is not based on financial gains as i would be going backwards coming to the sandpit!! Like alot of guys say everyone has there own reasons...
appreciate the info everyone,,
appreciate the info everyone,,
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What is absolutely crucial to understand is that you have no control over getting overtime or not. This is no bid option for "overtime" so if they company needs you to fly more you will get overtime. If they have plenty of pilots that month (
) you won't. You would be very, very foolish to include overtime in your salary calculations.
) you won't. You would be very, very foolish to include overtime in your salary calculations.
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Anyone who factors overtime into their reason for coming to EK would be making a grave and foolish mistake.
If employment decisions are based on overtime, I suggest you go to a casio. Statistically you are far more likely to be a winner.
- Overtime is not guaranteed. Statistically it occurs below 30% of the months.
- It is highly unlikely during months including leave or sickness.
- Overtime is actually paid at half the normal cost per hour of a pilot to EK. E.g. One is working for half pay.
- The overtime threshold is likely to be manipulated in the near future. Plans are afoot to indirectly increase the threshold by 5% shortly thereby saving the company a pile of cash. (Don't ask...)
- Overtime does not count toward Provident Fund, ERP or Bonuses.
- Overtime is obviously paid in Dirhams. Its real value has dropped by 60% over the past 6 years.
If employment decisions are based on overtime, I suggest you go to a casio. Statistically you are far more likely to be a winner.
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Oh no...
Guys, I was so disheartened this morning.
I spoke with a friend who is an A321 FO with a major airline in Europe. As is common we brought up the salary subject. I found out that he makes 38% more than me. I am a captain since over 8 years in EK. He then went on to tell me that if he works one day off he can pocket an extra 20% of my basic pay...I realise that he has to pay taxes and accommodation, but nevertheless it is really hard to hear these things for me. On top of that he does a big fat ZERO night flights every month... I wish I could say the same.
A captain in his airline makes more than double what I make, and therfore a 40-50% tax doesn't really hurt that much.
So depressing...
Pork
I spoke with a friend who is an A321 FO with a major airline in Europe. As is common we brought up the salary subject. I found out that he makes 38% more than me. I am a captain since over 8 years in EK. He then went on to tell me that if he works one day off he can pocket an extra 20% of my basic pay...I realise that he has to pay taxes and accommodation, but nevertheless it is really hard to hear these things for me. On top of that he does a big fat ZERO night flights every month... I wish I could say the same.
A captain in his airline makes more than double what I make, and therfore a 40-50% tax doesn't really hurt that much.
So depressing...
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... there You go - it's the poor fact:
Emirates is paying well BELOW the industry standard by now!
Love it - or leave it then - and i'm sure a lot of resignations will go in -
after the profit-share is announced
rumours is around 40-45 pilots will abondon the sinkin' EK-ship!
Emirates is paying well BELOW the industry standard by now!
Love it - or leave it then - and i'm sure a lot of resignations will go in -
after the profit-share is announced
rumours is around 40-45 pilots will abondon the sinkin' EK-ship!
That's OK, TCAS has built that into the numbers he quotes in Flight International....
http://http://www.pprune.org/forums/...d.php?t=321695
halas
http://http://www.pprune.org/forums/...d.php?t=321695
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TCAS's numbers... the only ones he's looking out for is his own.
As for his article, let's unravel the 'Unrivaled package' ...
The package for pilots, says Stealey, is "unrivalled" in the region, and includes a profit-sharing scheme healthcare and accommodation - furnished or unfurnished villas for captains and first officers with families apartments for first officers without families. Pay extra for the family for health care, accommodation in short supply and sub-standard temporary accommodation will be used for several months prior to getting a villa in the massive EK only Silicon or Mirdif complexes. As for the profit share we will see how much that is really worth in a month or so but don't bank on it to make a vast difference to the salary and adjust it to $s devaluation since the last 'share'.
'Perks for pilots include being picked up from home in one of Emirates' fleet of silver Audi A4s and dropped off at the operations centre'... or you can drive yourself and fall asleep in your airbag after your ULR back to back 90 hour 'factored' month.
Although all pilots are based in Dubai and salaries paid in dirhams, they are also hedged against large movements in the pilot's home currency. OK then, how despite this 'hedging' our we 30-40% worse off than 5 to 6 years ago? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK!!! THAT is why we have found a 'niche' in North America because no one else can afford to come because of the 'unrivaled' $ based package.
Despite competition from other airlines and operators, and Emirates' ambitious growth plans, Stealey insists finding the right pilots is not yet a problem. "Because we are top of the tree and are dropping our experience requirements,, we are not suffering at the moment but we are TCAS and we will continue to do so if you really believe this PR BS," he says. "Although we need 18% more pilots next year", a problem he'll just dump on the training departments desk again.
EK are adjusting to the lowest common denominator; The USD.
If demographically TCAS (who has no influence anyway so we really mean TC) want US pilots to augment and replace experienced pilots in EK primarily because they are cheaper in the short term, he/they will regret it in the longer term.
As for his article, let's unravel the 'Unrivaled package' ...
The package for pilots, says Stealey, is "unrivalled" in the region, and includes a profit-sharing scheme healthcare and accommodation - furnished or unfurnished villas for captains and first officers with families apartments for first officers without families. Pay extra for the family for health care, accommodation in short supply and sub-standard temporary accommodation will be used for several months prior to getting a villa in the massive EK only Silicon or Mirdif complexes. As for the profit share we will see how much that is really worth in a month or so but don't bank on it to make a vast difference to the salary and adjust it to $s devaluation since the last 'share'.
'Perks for pilots include being picked up from home in one of Emirates' fleet of silver Audi A4s and dropped off at the operations centre'... or you can drive yourself and fall asleep in your airbag after your ULR back to back 90 hour 'factored' month.
Although all pilots are based in Dubai and salaries paid in dirhams, they are also hedged against large movements in the pilot's home currency. OK then, how despite this 'hedging' our we 30-40% worse off than 5 to 6 years ago? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK!!! THAT is why we have found a 'niche' in North America because no one else can afford to come because of the 'unrivaled' $ based package.
Despite competition from other airlines and operators, and Emirates' ambitious growth plans, Stealey insists finding the right pilots is not yet a problem. "Because we are top of the tree and are dropping our experience requirements,, we are not suffering at the moment but we are TCAS and we will continue to do so if you really believe this PR BS," he says. "Although we need 18% more pilots next year", a problem he'll just dump on the training departments desk again.
EK are adjusting to the lowest common denominator; The USD.
If demographically TCAS (who has no influence anyway so we really mean TC) want US pilots to augment and replace experienced pilots in EK primarily because they are cheaper in the short term, he/they will regret it in the longer term.
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Live or Die
Agree with International Pilot
We will ALL be dead in 40-50 years or so
How do you want to remember how you lived your lives at this prime time
The company will NEVER get the right number to stop overtime
It is a highly profitable plan
Do the MATH
80 hours of overtime pays how much compared to regular salary
consider the company also pay no extra
accommodation
school
holidays
sick leave
retirement air tickets benefit
provident fund
annual leave tickets
medicals
family medicals
dental
family dental
water
electricty (use less you are not there)
etc etc
for all the pilots they do not employ because people are willing do the overtime. Its a closely guarded secret.
overtime its a 80+% discount on what your time is really worth and taking away from the most valued years of your life
Like International Pilot - this is a great job without overtime
flying the extra 20? it will be sad for you at the end when you look back!
We will ALL be dead in 40-50 years or so
How do you want to remember how you lived your lives at this prime time
The company will NEVER get the right number to stop overtime
It is a highly profitable plan
Do the MATH
80 hours of overtime pays how much compared to regular salary
consider the company also pay no extra
accommodation
school
holidays
sick leave
retirement air tickets benefit
provident fund
annual leave tickets
medicals
family medicals
dental
family dental
water
electricty (use less you are not there)
etc etc
for all the pilots they do not employ because people are willing do the overtime. Its a closely guarded secret.
overtime its a 80+% discount on what your time is really worth and taking away from the most valued years of your life
Like International Pilot - this is a great job without overtime
flying the extra 20? it will be sad for you at the end when you look back!
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They won't announce the payrise until well into May despite the fact that this is the month we actually get it in.
They are watching the development of the American recession. They are currently making overtures to pilots from US carriers that have recently failed. The assessment of how many they may get will impact the salary increase for pilots.
Condition changes are about to be introduced either with or shortly following salary review. Some subtle and some not. All large "cost savers" which almost certainly means less for employees. I can't claim to know the details but do know they are coming.
HR is on a massive recruitment campaign at the moment in all areas.
Recession is a good time to take a swipe at salaries as we know once they are down they are very slow to appreciate in response to the economic environment so the benefit over years is massive.
They are watching the development of the American recession. They are currently making overtures to pilots from US carriers that have recently failed. The assessment of how many they may get will impact the salary increase for pilots.
Condition changes are about to be introduced either with or shortly following salary review. Some subtle and some not. All large "cost savers" which almost certainly means less for employees. I can't claim to know the details but do know they are coming.
HR is on a massive recruitment campaign at the moment in all areas.
Recession is a good time to take a swipe at salaries as we know once they are down they are very slow to appreciate in response to the economic environment so the benefit over years is massive.
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Under Paid
All of us working at EK are severly underpaid. Compare a like position at any airline in the same seat and plane and it does not even come close. Then factor in Dubai's inflation and school fees and you are worse off than any first world operator.
