New Qr Memo..........best Of Luck Everyone
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New Qr Memo..........best Of Luck Everyone
This new memo issued by QR GMHR and addressed to all the Staff
SUBJECT: RANDOM ALCOHOL AND DRUG TESTING
Please be reminded that the Qatar Airways Security Department is fully empowered to perform random alcohol and drug testing at any time on any Qatar Airways employee, when entering or exiting any Qatar Airways premises.
Qatar Airways Premises means, but is not limited to:
Premises, accommodation, facilities, car parks, airports, vehicles and aircraft belonging to or used by Qatar Airways.
This is not restricted to the State of Qatar, it includes all countries where Qatar Airways has a presence.
Rosemary Fagen
GMHR
Best of luck to all of you staying at company Accommodation.
SUBJECT: RANDOM ALCOHOL AND DRUG TESTING
Please be reminded that the Qatar Airways Security Department is fully empowered to perform random alcohol and drug testing at any time on any Qatar Airways employee, when entering or exiting any Qatar Airways premises.
Qatar Airways Premises means, but is not limited to:
Premises, accommodation, facilities, car parks, airports, vehicles and aircraft belonging to or used by Qatar Airways.
This is not restricted to the State of Qatar, it includes all countries where Qatar Airways has a presence.
Rosemary Fagen
GMHR
Best of luck to all of you staying at company Accommodation.
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...to be fair the Memo has been ammended to read 'while on duty'
Managers have to know what they write (Memos or emails) is not for their own reading
. They need to write to be clearly understood. Very few do it...
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Er hello ?? Rosemary.. hello ??
so what you are saying is that if you are in a hotel (clearly not Doha!!) you can't have a drink ?? plus if you are in Paris, Leeds, Cheltenham, Slough, Singapore or Edinburgh or.... - all in the countries that QR fly too you can't drink .. oh behave !!
so what you are saying is that if you are in a hotel (clearly not Doha!!) you can't have a drink ?? plus if you are in Paris, Leeds, Cheltenham, Slough, Singapore or Edinburgh or.... - all in the countries that QR fly too you can't drink .. oh behave !!
Think you are kidding yourself my love !!!
ps: who put you up to that memo ???
ps: who put you up to that memo ???
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cloth ears...........
Get a grip of reality! There's no WAY known that mercurial little prick (Wacky Acky) can (and should be able to) assume that he can (and will) get away with that sort of gross invasion of ANYONE'S civil liberties outside of Doha, irrespective of what he likes to think that he can do!
Fair enough in Doha................anything goes, I'm afraid, but away from Doha forget it!
Time someone in the Emiri Dirwan REALLY started to take some notice about the antics of this poor excuse for a three-ring circus, and its retarded ring master I reckon.
Get a grip of reality! There's no WAY known that mercurial little prick (Wacky Acky) can (and should be able to) assume that he can (and will) get away with that sort of gross invasion of ANYONE'S civil liberties outside of Doha, irrespective of what he likes to think that he can do!
Fair enough in Doha................anything goes, I'm afraid, but away from Doha forget it!
Time someone in the Emiri Dirwan REALLY started to take some notice about the antics of this poor excuse for a three-ring circus, and its retarded ring master I reckon.
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Not a chance while on stby at home as it's an intrusion of one's privacy. Calling the individual to the office is OK. On the outside station let alone other countries the only one having any kind of "limited" executive authority is the commander. Short, without his/her consent nothing happens while within the jurisdiction of the state of Qatar which the aircraft clearly is. To overrule the commander either local police or CAA must get involved. Always the same story.
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It must have been written clearly the first time.
Managers have to know what they write (Memos or emails) is not for their own reading. They need to write to be clearly understood. Very few do it...
Has there ever bee a memo issued by QR HR that was did not require amendment or further clarification 5 minutes after issuing?
From EID holidays to THA nothing comes out clear in the first place
Managers have to know what they write (Memos or emails) is not for their own reading. They need to write to be clearly understood. Very few do it...
Has there ever bee a memo issued by QR HR that was did not require amendment or further clarification 5 minutes after issuing?
From EID holidays to THA nothing comes out clear in the first place
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There's simple but effective remedy against intrusion of rights JUST CALL SICK. The moment you call sick automatically dismissal from duty must follow therefore being no longer on duty the eligibility is null and void.
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Or better yet, just dont consume alcohol during times that prohibit you from complying with the rules and regulations laid out by your employer...and yes we do have testing at GF, and so do EK..and most others..subject to such testing downroute as well...(in our case anyway)
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no one is against the checks. It's the way the did it once again. This is a wind up from new HR manager orchestrated by the goats king once again. Same same once again goats king lets new chick look stupid and bleed. Smart move Mr.AAB this is the beginning of your END Mrs. Rosemary. remember this moment.
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411A..indeed i think you are right...
But without trying to defend anybody, and in my humble opinion:
This thread looks to me like a storm in a glass of.. Water
There is a simple rule in our OM regarding consumption of alcohol before being on Duty..Is it so difficult to respect it,just respect it and there is no reason to be worried at all...That's it!
It seems that it s like traffic rules or the non smoking rule in Doha public place..nobody is able or want to respect it...
Just wish Q.A. could be concerned on inflation and devaluation of our salary as well on the same way they seems to be very concerned on alcohol problem.
Happy Eastern!
Cheers.
But without trying to defend anybody, and in my humble opinion:
This thread looks to me like a storm in a glass of.. Water
There is a simple rule in our OM regarding consumption of alcohol before being on Duty..Is it so difficult to respect it,just respect it and there is no reason to be worried at all...That's it!
It seems that it s like traffic rules or the non smoking rule in Doha public place..nobody is able or want to respect it...
Just wish Q.A. could be concerned on inflation and devaluation of our salary as well on the same way they seems to be very concerned on alcohol problem.
Happy Eastern!
Cheers.
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legal grounds for power to inspect
Dear Loc,
despite QR not bothering about any kind of legitimate proceedings it's paramount to understand the possible implications of such carelessness.
Legal grounds for random alcohol testing are clear: It's exclusive prerogative of law enforcement officers unless it's promulgated and set forth in legal format like under FAA 14 CFR Part 121, Appendix I, V, .iVB and 14 CFR Part 121, Appendix J, III, C ; no one else may conduct such tests. Security department of QR has no legal grounds to perform such test as such program isn't governed by QCAA, my friend. Apart from that, testing involves blood probe which must be evaluated by officially approved lab. Pilots in general can be tested in two ways:
1. Randomly as mentioned above governed by associated with QCAA program, if there was such.
2. if their behavior arouses suspicion among airline officials or law enforcement officers. In other words anyone suspecting the pilot being under influence of drugs or alcohol must involve law enforcement officer to serve public interest of safe transportation. Of course pilot must be on duty. If it was that easy we'd have random tests performed anywhere in the world at any security gate. As you may recall it's not the case.
Furthermore the subject pertains Tokyo convention governing the jurisdiction of contracting state while outside the territory of the state of registration. In other words as long as the aircraft is on the ground other than the state of registration with doors open it's under the foreign jurisdiction thus QR's security personnel once again has got no legal grounds but they can involve local police.
If QR indeed wants to tackle it once and for all it certainly must be done not halfhearted way. Relatively easy escape path for a drunken pilot, don't you think? Too scientific .... maybe that's why QR prefers to buy their way out. Does it come as a surprise, of course not, another best example is seen on daily basis in the City Center where security personnel is delegated traffic police's functions without even having a slightest idea about traffic rules. Truly remarkable indeed.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
despite QR not bothering about any kind of legitimate proceedings it's paramount to understand the possible implications of such carelessness.
Legal grounds for random alcohol testing are clear: It's exclusive prerogative of law enforcement officers unless it's promulgated and set forth in legal format like under FAA 14 CFR Part 121, Appendix I, V, .iVB and 14 CFR Part 121, Appendix J, III, C ; no one else may conduct such tests. Security department of QR has no legal grounds to perform such test as such program isn't governed by QCAA, my friend. Apart from that, testing involves blood probe which must be evaluated by officially approved lab. Pilots in general can be tested in two ways:
1. Randomly as mentioned above governed by associated with QCAA program, if there was such.
2. if their behavior arouses suspicion among airline officials or law enforcement officers. In other words anyone suspecting the pilot being under influence of drugs or alcohol must involve law enforcement officer to serve public interest of safe transportation. Of course pilot must be on duty. If it was that easy we'd have random tests performed anywhere in the world at any security gate. As you may recall it's not the case.
Furthermore the subject pertains Tokyo convention governing the jurisdiction of contracting state while outside the territory of the state of registration. In other words as long as the aircraft is on the ground other than the state of registration with doors open it's under the foreign jurisdiction thus QR's security personnel once again has got no legal grounds but they can involve local police.
If QR indeed wants to tackle it once and for all it certainly must be done not halfhearted way. Relatively easy escape path for a drunken pilot, don't you think? Too scientific .... maybe that's why QR prefers to buy their way out. Does it come as a surprise, of course not, another best example is seen on daily basis in the City Center where security personnel is delegated traffic police's functions without even having a slightest idea about traffic rules. Truly remarkable indeed.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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Smirnoff if you are still thinking that AAB cares about the official FAA,JAA apppendix whatever ...law.....you must be very naive!
Sorry to tell you but unfortunatly in this company there is only one law:The AAB law! Isnīt it?
Cheers.
Sorry to tell you but unfortunatly in this company there is only one law:The AAB law! Isnīt it?
Cheers.
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Loc No point to indulge on who cares about what. I, for myself, would like to see the outcome of the process from the Iranian F/O after being dismissed unlawfully. He'll probably get paid 6 months compensation and that only underlines the statement "QR buys it's way out". That's all it matters.
QR 515 no mate I'm his neighbor in the new compound we gotta do the blow job after Gestapo knocks on our door! Rush boys they'll check your moral and ethical compatibility with QR's clean concept on the MORALMETER.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
QR 515 no mate I'm his neighbor in the new compound we gotta do the blow job after Gestapo knocks on our door! Rush boys they'll check your moral and ethical compatibility with QR's clean concept on the MORALMETER.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!