New LCC for EK... How will EK routes change?
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New LCC for EK... How will EK routes change?
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I am wondering how the new LCC in Dubai may change things at EK.... if it all.
Do you think it may cause the routes to the subcontinent and all Middle East destinations to be flown by the LCC, thus freeing up the 777's and Airbus's to fly to the different destinations in store in the future... wherever they may be?
Interested in your thoughts as to how this may change things at EK
K
I am wondering how the new LCC in Dubai may change things at EK.... if it all.
Do you think it may cause the routes to the subcontinent and all Middle East destinations to be flown by the LCC, thus freeing up the 777's and Airbus's to fly to the different destinations in store in the future... wherever they may be?
Interested in your thoughts as to how this may change things at EK
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With Air Arabia reaping profits of over 200%, why not climb onto the band wagon.
The main routes will be in competition with AA. They'll also send EK FO's to the LCC for their initial command!!
The main routes will be in competition with AA. They'll also send EK FO's to the LCC for their initial command!!
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Before this thread goes into 5th gear and becomes bogged down with wild assumptions. This is from Flight international web site.
"Emirates says it will support the new airline – which will be led by Emirates’ executive vice-president of operations Ghaith Al Ghaith – during its start-up period.
But while earlier statements from the Dubai government had indicated the carrier would be part of Emirates Group, Emirates says it “will not” come under the airline’s corporate umbrella"
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"Emirates says it will support the new airline – which will be led by Emirates’ executive vice-president of operations Ghaith Al Ghaith – during its start-up period.
But while earlier statements from the Dubai government had indicated the carrier would be part of Emirates Group, Emirates says it “will not” come under the airline’s corporate umbrella"
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While not under the "corporate umbrella", don't think that they will be completely independent. They will have the same owner and will have to coordinate route structures to avoid direct competition and thus eroding both carriers profits. It's all about maximizing profits in Dubai and they will do what it takes to accomplish that. Years ago, they actually had something called a yield management committee or something like that made up of the airlines serving Dubai. In reality, it was a price fixing cartel - something that would be illegal in most places in the world.
Over time I would expect to see a migration of lower yield, short to medium range flying going to the newer carrier, allowing Emirates to concentrate on higher yield, long range operations. It might even be an attempt to address the service issue. Right now, Emirates has to serve a broad range of "markets" with different service requirements. "Unloading" some of the low yield markets on this new carrier might make management of the service delivery a little easier.
Overall, I think that this is probably a shrewd move on the part of the Dubai government. One carrier will specialize in the low yield, low cost markets thereby probably generating more profit from them while the other is then freed to specialize on higher yield, longer haul markets. If the route structures are coordinated, overall profit is maximized. It's very telling that they have chosen Emirates head of commercial planning to be the head of the new airline (while not relinquishing his old post).
Over time I would expect to see a migration of lower yield, short to medium range flying going to the newer carrier, allowing Emirates to concentrate on higher yield, long range operations. It might even be an attempt to address the service issue. Right now, Emirates has to serve a broad range of "markets" with different service requirements. "Unloading" some of the low yield markets on this new carrier might make management of the service delivery a little easier.
Overall, I think that this is probably a shrewd move on the part of the Dubai government. One carrier will specialize in the low yield, low cost markets thereby probably generating more profit from them while the other is then freed to specialize on higher yield, longer haul markets. If the route structures are coordinated, overall profit is maximized. It's very telling that they have chosen Emirates head of commercial planning to be the head of the new airline (while not relinquishing his old post).
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LCC will have single isle A/C ... initially based in DXB and after in Jebel Ali's new airport.
As far as network some destinations will be new, other will be the same as Emirates but with a lower ticket's cost (when ek is overbooked!).
As far as network some destinations will be new, other will be the same as Emirates but with a lower ticket's cost (when ek is overbooked!).
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Here it is, we have a name:
FlyDubai
In March of this year we reported that Emirates Airline (Dubai) would be establishing a new low-cost carrier to offer service to the region. The new airline now has a name, FlyDubai..............
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FlyDubai
In March of this year we reported that Emirates Airline (Dubai) would be establishing a new low-cost carrier to offer service to the region. The new airline now has a name, FlyDubai..............
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They had better freakin not put the F/O's on a narrow body command a a LCC....been there done that and not interested over here. Would rather stay in the right seat and take the good roster until something better comes along than go at it that way.
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Great Opportunity for a Seniority System
This could be good actually.
Start enforcement of a seniority system.
DECs into the LCC and clear the backlog of 3 + years FOs (in seniority) onto the EK jets.
At the same time abolish the rotating bid system and respect the seniority of those being here the longest with the best rosters.
Growth is such that in a few years even new upgrades will be getting good rosters. The rosters themselves have so many artificial constraints even the very senior are limited in getting their ideal rosters anyway.
Right...bring it on
Start enforcement of a seniority system.
DECs into the LCC and clear the backlog of 3 + years FOs (in seniority) onto the EK jets.
At the same time abolish the rotating bid system and respect the seniority of those being here the longest with the best rosters.
Growth is such that in a few years even new upgrades will be getting good rosters. The rosters themselves have so many artificial constraints even the very senior are limited in getting their ideal rosters anyway.
Right...bring it on
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Or keep the rotating bid system since that is one aspect that attracts people to EK. Usually the senior pilots who like the idea of changing to strict seniority - once they have availed themselves of the benefits of the 'old' system.
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Is it possible people interviewing now at EK could be sent to the low cost carrier. When and who will do the pilot hiring. Same system or a totally diffrent recruiting team.
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EK is doing all they can to interveiw and hire to meets there own needs.
I ,for one, beleive that Fly Dubai will be done on there own,hiring,hr ,flt ops etc.
No firm start date or airplane type yet, all we know right now is late 2009, with that, hiring line guys summer 09 or later. They will be competing with AA to get guys for LCC, AA pays the same as EK, give or take a AED. Expats from India will be coming here by the 100's and coming for the best pay. EK still has the better package but some wil be single and looking for $ and that it.
My guess, and just mine, EK will not do anymore DEC's, upgrades will be 4 years maybe more and anyone with DEC time offered FO spots or will handed over to the LCC
I ,for one, beleive that Fly Dubai will be done on there own,hiring,hr ,flt ops etc.
No firm start date or airplane type yet, all we know right now is late 2009, with that, hiring line guys summer 09 or later. They will be competing with AA to get guys for LCC, AA pays the same as EK, give or take a AED. Expats from India will be coming here by the 100's and coming for the best pay. EK still has the better package but some wil be single and looking for $ and that it.
My guess, and just mine, EK will not do anymore DEC's, upgrades will be 4 years maybe more and anyone with DEC time offered FO spots or will handed over to the LCC
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FlyDubai: How will EK routes change?
FlyDubai will compete city-by-city with Air Arabia with a similar structure and principles, why not?
EK will lower frequencies to FlyDubai destinations and expand elsewhere where widebodies fit better. FlyDubai will increase frequencies to compete or outdo the other Gulf LLCs.
EK will lower frequencies to FlyDubai destinations and expand elsewhere where widebodies fit better. FlyDubai will increase frequencies to compete or outdo the other Gulf LLCs.
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It is a bit like GO/BA but with one important difference- Emirates is already effectively a low cost airline. If you compare EK overheads to BA I would imagine you would find quite a difference.