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Gulf Air: What Mr. Kooheji is saying these days.

Old 16th Apr 2008, 09:14
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An Islamist MP said on Tuesday he would introduce a bill to ban the sale of alcohol on Bahrain’s national carrier Gulf Air.

Mohammed Khalid, representing the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot Al Menbar, said he was in talks with other political groups and MPs to ensure the state-owned airline complied “with the constitution of Bahrain that states Islam is the official religion and the source of its legislation.”

“Many of the people working for the airline are upset over its insistence on serving alcoholic beverages and this is against their religious beliefs and values since Islam condemns those who drink and those who offer wine,” said Khalid, in a statement reported by UAE daily Gulf News.

I urge all airlines here to follow the decision of Bahrain Air and to comply with our religious values and stop offering alcoholic drinks,” he added.

Gulf Air announced earlier this month it was to completely overhaul its image to coincide with an expansion of its fleet of 35 aircraft.

The carrier began a major restructuring operation in April last year after it was revealed it was losing around $1 million a day.
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'The average salary is 2800Bd (w/o housing and school)'

Albergineman,

- Can you give me clue what the amount for the housing and other add on benefits are at Gulf?

- payrise per annum% based or just whatever HR decide?

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Albergineman,

thanks for the info, only one of my kids is going to be going to school there so hopefully the allowance covers fully for 1?

Housing - I would definaltey hope to stay for more than 5 years (otherwise it's not worth uprooting from the UK) - whats the score with if you buy a place do the company still give you a fixed allowance?

I keep hearing differing stories from guys - some saying they save nothing others are supposedly making a fortune!!

time to command - maybe EY or EK (as its 3-4 years)maybe better then if it's 8 years at GF

thanks dude for you time

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Old 17th Apr 2008, 06:14
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An Islamist MP said on Tuesday he would introduce a bill to ban the sale of alcohol on Bahrain’s national carrier Gulf Air.
feel sorry for you guys there. for the hardcore types, music is not alowed in islam either. so what is next? calls by bahani mps for the elimination of inflight entertainment? they can just play a continuos video of pilgrims circumambulating the ka'ba in mecca on the screen.
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Old 17th Apr 2008, 08:10
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I trust the bill will be a dead-born baby for many reasons. Propped-up by cash flow statements, alcohol contributes huge amount of income to Bahrain’s economy, a key minister said once. For instance, a bottle of alcohol may cost sometimes up to $ 100; more than price of an oil barrel. Five years ago, a group of wahabi delegates met prime minister and asked the same on kingdom scale but he made it clear this issue is completely rebuffed.

The decision of Bahrain Air appears cost-saving plans, but, on long-term; alcohol will be on the menu for their passengers. Alcohol is an asset for menus of premier airlines.

Finally, a true joke to share with you happened last week. A long-beard wahabi in Bahrain Parliament claimed the symbol of ambulance cars (the cross, pole and snake) should be changed because it is related to Christianity!!!!
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Hey MODERATOR.............is that ok with you what people writting about islam????????........how about locals, why they so quiet!!!!!!!!
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I have no problem with people talking about Islam as long as it has something to do with aviation.

I'm watching you habbibi - you seem to have a lot of issues that have nothing to do with aviation - here's a few of your posts:

11th February
100% AGREE...........useless department....unless you are morrocan or egyption and know mr MISHA'AL ............or know someone there........

Right....like indian version of english in aviation....RIGHT FLYEAST.......did you miss flying in india.

12th February

we all mouslim brothers pls stop it....by the way most of them are soni ....only one person is shiat.... WE ALL MOUSLIM......so no need for that......will said IB


So, one more post from you that has a go at other cultures or one more post that has nothing to do with aviation and addresses religion & you're out of here.

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Mr Fatal consider yourself well shat on mate
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NEVER.........
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To flatfootsam and red baron:

Here it goes a summary of the package (all figures are in BHD):

Captain:

Base Salary (entry level) - 3000

Seniority system (per year of service) - 60 (up to a maximum salary of 4200)

Allowances
- Housing (married) - 700
- Housing (single) - 600
- Schooling (primary) - 1500
- Schooling (secondary) - 2500

Pay per Block Hour - 6

Monthly salary package (80 hrs) Entry level – 3480 (do not expect fly 80h/month, 70 hours/month is more realistic)


First Officer:

Base Salary (entry level) - 2100

Seniority system (per year of service) - 50 (up to a maximum salary of 2600)

Allowances
- Housing (married) - 650
- Housing (single) - 550
- Schooling (primary) - 1500
- Schooling (secondary) - 2500

Pay per Block Hour 6

Monthly salary package (80 hrs) - Entry level 2580 (do not expect fly 80h/month, 70 hours/month is more realistic)

Add to all above:

Wife allowance 43
Transport allowance 40
Communication allowance 13
ATPL 8
Overtime (above 75h) 20 for F/O 40 for CP

Do not expect profit shares and any improovement on this package in a short period of time since GF is under a recovery plan (it is doing well by the way...)

If you want to buy a villa, it is better for you to check on the internet, I am not sure about figures, but I am sure that you can use your housing allowance to pay for a villa instead to rent one, many guys are doing it and making some money at the end of the day.

To save money or not depends entirelly on your lifestile. Here we can afford many things and there are expensive things as well. There are guys spending money a lot and other making a lot, just keep one hand on the tap to not waste it.

And do not listen to all these b...s... regarding to ethnical and religious issues, this is a complete waste of time. This is a good airline to work for and it is like any other in the world, it has good and bad people.

Good luck guys



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Albergineman - thanks mate, that's more information than I've been able to get out of GF's HR dept in a month.

Good to hear the restructuring is working out and to see some level headed straight talking instead of the adolescent mud slinging which is filling up these web pages.

Buy you beer in a few months if it works out

Thanks

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I forgot to mentiom the Time Away that's BHD1.5 per hour out of base (average 200h/m) = BHD300

Cheers

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Please accept my apologies IF my writing offended anyone here. What I mentioned are summary of facts and figures said by a key minister, and confirmed by key Gulf businessmen and leading economists and my wide exposure in world of business. I believe I was careful enough to put my opinion in an aviation context and how it may affect an airline as a key asset on menus for passengers.

I have respect for all religions irrespective of the sectors, and once again I apologise IF my opinions offended anyone.
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Albergineman

Thanks dude, thats perfect, it gives me something tangible to work with.

Agreed theres always going to be at least one real dodo in every airline - there not a problem as long as the majority are cool

Inshallah application to go in towards the end of the year.

Whats the story with the 767's?I heard they are getting more of them? is there any opportunity to go straight onto them (as I'm already rated), although I would like to get a Bus rating

thanks man

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About the B767, if they’re getting more of them, it’s completely new for me, since they’re for long now to be phased out. What are about to join the fleet are 2 two used A321’s and two more brand new A320’s in one year from now.
In the recent past, you for sure, would join straight to B767 since you are rated but I don’t believe it’s going to happen again because slowly all the Boeing drivers are being transferred to the Airbus A320 / A330 / A340, according to their seniority.
Be prepared to sign a training bond to Airbus for three years for a generous amount of money, something around +20K BHD for a non-type rated.
There are the possibility for more airplanes to join the fleet from 2010 (can be any, but the preference lies over the B787) and, believe me, some kids are already fighting for who is going to fly them first!!!

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I believe I was careful enough to put my opinion in an aviation context


I can see that avaition context by carfully using the word wahabi. I believe you guys use this word out of hate for sunni muslims.
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The training bond of +20K BHD was offered to all those A330's DEFO three years ago.
If you are already a GF's A320 driver and is transfered to A330/A340 you are requested to sign a three years, +12K BHD training bond.
Maybe the 5K BHD bond was an alternative case for Boeing drivers being transfered to Airbus, I am realy not sure about this.

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The bonds tend to change from day to day, person to person, situation to situation. Get the drift.

I signed 23000BHD, for a 3 year bond as a new type rating 320.

There was talk of all of the bonds reducing to 12000BHD over 1.5 years during the last pay raise, 12000 was more realistic of the costs of a new rating for the duration of the bond required.

I have not seen this on paper so assume that I am still on the 23000BHD, makes no difference really if you don't plan to leave in a hurry.
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Thanks guy's

The bond (at 20k BD) is REALY expensive thats 40k pounds 80k dollars!!!!! but I suppose it makes no real difference as long as your planning to stay for the 3 years.

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The Red(lfc)Baron:-

Based on current exchange rates:

BHD20,000=US$53,100=GBP26,655
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