Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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I still don't understand how a person can prepare for a psychometric exam, isn't the entire point to test who you are as a person i.e. your psychology? How exactly do you prepare for that? Go to a shrink? Meditate, improve your mental well being? If all that is going to happen is that people are going to get the test before hand and then "learn" how to pass it the entire exercise is going to be fruitless.
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CTC announces Qatar and easyJet MPL programmes
Here's the link.
They do not say how many MPL's will go to QR, but from a previous article in the Flight Training News, if I remember correctly, its about 60+ per year.
They do not say how many MPL's will go to QR, but from a previous article in the Flight Training News, if I remember correctly, its about 60+ per year.
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They called u back for the psy test ? When was your interview ? Was is for SO ? If so then great news cause i heard from the office that there are no more vacancies for SO's in 2013/2014 , they had the test few years ago apparently isn't hard just be yourself , read the question properly and dont try to lie, youll be asked the same question twice or more sometimes differently so make sure the answers are more or less the same, ill pm you if i find the test.. Gd luck
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Avs,
Please DO NOT understimate the PAT test. A MINIMUM of 8 out of 10 upgrades/initial entries/endorsement pilots FAIL the PAT every month all over the world.
In Qatar I believe the failure rate is a bit higher.
So please be prepared.
Cheers
Please DO NOT understimate the PAT test. A MINIMUM of 8 out of 10 upgrades/initial entries/endorsement pilots FAIL the PAT every month all over the world.
In Qatar I believe the failure rate is a bit higher.
So please be prepared.
Cheers
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So who are having to do the PAT test and does that include those with contracts and start dates?
Or is the PAT test for new applications to join QA?
Or is the PAT test for new applications to join QA?
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Currently guys are getting called in to do the test even after type rating and prior to their line training. For line guys it's only for promotions and fleet transfers. I'm told there is a handbook and the test is full on and shouldn't be underestimated.
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hi everyone i just wanted to know if anyone could tell me that after clearing the medicals how long it takes to get the confirmation mail?!?!???? i got
my medical clearance back in 5th of march but since then no reply yet..
my medical clearance back in 5th of march but since then no reply yet..
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PAT-Tread carefully!
Scruff,
Eventually it will be EVERYONE flying for Qatar Airways who is ever looking at a transition/upgrade/admin or training post.
Currently ALL new hires will have to do the test. May not be immediate, but it WILL have to be passed eventually.
I'm sure someone will eventually come out with a software to mimick it close enough to get thru with 'pass marks'. Whatever that means.
But for now, and the next few months every pilot doing the PAT test will have to 'do it as it comes'. Seeing this result over a given period of time the Managment might tweak it a bit eitherways to 'suit' their personal requirements.
Till then its my very best to the all of you trying for it! And you're all gonna need it.
I know for a fact, as F14 pointed out correctly that this is not a test to underestimate or take lightly. Quite the contrary....!!!
Five screens, a joystick and a thrust lever can make 2.5 hrs the worst 2.5 hours of your entire aviation career. The actual test is only about 2.5 hrs but the Pre flight briefing lasts about one hour and then the post flight brief plus the video playback will take another hour and a half.
So be prepared to have the most confused and stressed out 5 hours of your life!
At the end, the results are quite satisfying.
It has enough weightage by itself to pass or fail your interview or assessment or upgrade. It's ALL about work and time Managment and loads of IQ and math problems.
But, all in all a very interesting test indeed!
Especially if you pass it...!!
Eventually it will be EVERYONE flying for Qatar Airways who is ever looking at a transition/upgrade/admin or training post.
Currently ALL new hires will have to do the test. May not be immediate, but it WILL have to be passed eventually.
I'm sure someone will eventually come out with a software to mimick it close enough to get thru with 'pass marks'. Whatever that means.
But for now, and the next few months every pilot doing the PAT test will have to 'do it as it comes'. Seeing this result over a given period of time the Managment might tweak it a bit eitherways to 'suit' their personal requirements.
Till then its my very best to the all of you trying for it! And you're all gonna need it.
I know for a fact, as F14 pointed out correctly that this is not a test to underestimate or take lightly. Quite the contrary....!!!
Five screens, a joystick and a thrust lever can make 2.5 hrs the worst 2.5 hours of your entire aviation career. The actual test is only about 2.5 hrs but the Pre flight briefing lasts about one hour and then the post flight brief plus the video playback will take another hour and a half.
So be prepared to have the most confused and stressed out 5 hours of your life!
At the end, the results are quite satisfying.
It has enough weightage by itself to pass or fail your interview or assessment or upgrade. It's ALL about work and time Managment and loads of IQ and math problems.
But, all in all a very interesting test indeed!
Especially if you pass it...!!
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A MINIMUM of 8 out of 10 upgrades/initial entries/endorsement pilots FAIL the PAT every month all over the world.
In Qatar I believe the failure rate is a bit higher.
Do I get it correct? Failure rate 80% all over the world and in Qatar a bit higher! That means around 90% do not pass the test. If this is true what does the PAT test prove?
In Qatar I believe the failure rate is a bit higher.
Do I get it correct? Failure rate 80% all over the world and in Qatar a bit higher! That means around 90% do not pass the test. If this is true what does the PAT test prove?
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Thanks King On the wing for update.When you say pass does that mean if you fail they will terminate your contract?
As new recruits who have there start dates and contracts,I can't imagine QA revoking the contract because of a failed PAT test?
As new recruits who have there start dates and contracts,I can't imagine QA revoking the contract because of a failed PAT test?
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Another question about the PAT test.Is it pass or fail or an instrument to see how an individual will cope with a type change/ training position or command.
I can't imagine QA would give offers of employment to captains and first officers and then send them away due to a poor PAT test result?
I can't imagine QA would give offers of employment to captains and first officers and then send them away due to a poor PAT test result?
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Qatar Airways
Hello, I was hoping one of you could guide me towards Qatar Airways. I've lived in the middle east and had heard about Qatar recruiting young pilots, I just finished Pilot school and can't seem to find anything for non-Qataris. Any ideas?
thanks.
thanks.
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PAT-Test
... my last information is (was) Qatar uses the so called Compass test. PAT should be new, I've made some Video Clips during an exhibition in London last year from the modules but I'm unsure wether you can place them on youtube (is it legal?). It seems very similar to commonly used tests.
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Normal Second Officer (no experience) hiring is done at QR for now. They will be starting an MPL/cadet Program with CTC, to train their own nationals and to train those who apply directly for the program. There are a few SOs that were interviewed last year who passed the selection and are now being given start dates.
The PAT is NOT the COMPASS test.
The PAT is NOT the COMPASS test.
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PAT TEST!!
Dear Colleges!
I have found out that the PAT test everyone is talking about on this thread is done by Symbiotics.com.
You can actually take the test a very short version for paying them £15 pounds. I did take the test and IT WAS VERY HARD!
The test on their website didn't include any joystick and thrust lever. only keypad keys.
So I want to ask everyone that has taken this test explain if it is the same test on their website (Symbiotics.com) as it is with Qatar Airways?
I'm just confused why you have to use joystick and thrust lever for this test???
I have found out that the PAT test everyone is talking about on this thread is done by Symbiotics.com.
You can actually take the test a very short version for paying them £15 pounds. I did take the test and IT WAS VERY HARD!
The test on their website didn't include any joystick and thrust lever. only keypad keys.
So I want to ask everyone that has taken this test explain if it is the same test on their website (Symbiotics.com) as it is with Qatar Airways?
I'm just confused why you have to use joystick and thrust lever for this test???
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The PAT or ADAPT test that QR does is definitely a deal maker or breaker. Especially if you are a new hire. Captain OR FO.
Now if you do MISERABLY on your PAT you are told goodbye. If you do marginally then your other scores kick in and if youve fared well enough in the other tests then you're in.
The Math questions can vary from 366-247 to 2x+y=32. Find y.
Etc etc. These are just SOME of the simpler Q's I have been briefed about. And all this is whilst actually flying an airplane,accurate speed,height and headings.
Then you are given a pin number. And asked to memorise it.
That will come up numerously in the test.
Fuel calculations along with not so easy IQ q's are popping ALL along the trips called missions.
All in all a VERY interesting and a very revealing test indeed.And quite accurate as I have pointed out earlier.
So be prepared and then do your best.
If push comes to shove,then, it IS a deal maker/breaker.
Hope this helps.
Cheers all.
Now if you do MISERABLY on your PAT you are told goodbye. If you do marginally then your other scores kick in and if youve fared well enough in the other tests then you're in.
The Math questions can vary from 366-247 to 2x+y=32. Find y.
Etc etc. These are just SOME of the simpler Q's I have been briefed about. And all this is whilst actually flying an airplane,accurate speed,height and headings.
Then you are given a pin number. And asked to memorise it.
That will come up numerously in the test.
Fuel calculations along with not so easy IQ q's are popping ALL along the trips called missions.
All in all a VERY interesting and a very revealing test indeed.And quite accurate as I have pointed out earlier.
So be prepared and then do your best.
If push comes to shove,then, it IS a deal maker/breaker.
Hope this helps.
Cheers all.
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ADAPT TEST
The definition of a "New Hire" is a new employee with a contract of employment.
I can't see how an adapt test could be used after giving an individual a permanent employment contract and tell them its pass or fail.
If you fail your out or pass you get to keep your new job.
I think the information is good and its being used for new applicants and command upgrades and training positions ect.
What I think is that if you have been offered a permanent contract and you do poorly on the adapt test I very much doubt they would not honour your contract of employment and send you home packing.
Correct me if I'm wrong and this needs a honest and reliable reply.
Thanks
I can't see how an adapt test could be used after giving an individual a permanent employment contract and tell them its pass or fail.
If you fail your out or pass you get to keep your new job.
I think the information is good and its being used for new applicants and command upgrades and training positions ect.
What I think is that if you have been offered a permanent contract and you do poorly on the adapt test I very much doubt they would not honour your contract of employment and send you home packing.
Correct me if I'm wrong and this needs a honest and reliable reply.
Thanks