Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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4 days off in a row every month only on request.But Seems that this request has been even suspended now,without any advice to crew..as usual..
Go for the A-340
..they can have (and ONLY them
) 8 days off in a row every month!!
Go for the A-340
..they can have (and ONLY them) 8 days off in a row every month!!
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FlyinHigh:
do you not read between the lines ?? or the lines at all.. let me explain to the best of my very limited knowledge.
there is NO set days OFF per month ( i.e. 4 days in a row) no mater what anyone has told you.. you get on average or 8 days OFF per month.. and some can be down route while on layover ( as I am as we speak)..
as far as DEC or F/O.. well I just feel stupid even answering this question... hhmmm ... A Captain or a F/O ?? tough choice.. let me think ?? even if you make the same money, I would be thinking of my future elswhere and not choose to be stuck for atleast 5 years as a F/O ( thats how long it takes on average around here, don't be fooled).
remember you are in the MIDDLE EAST.. the F/O position must be the toughest position anyone could ever do in this part of the world, just ask one.
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Krunch
do you not read between the lines ?? or the lines at all.. let me explain to the best of my very limited knowledge.
there is NO set days OFF per month ( i.e. 4 days in a row) no mater what anyone has told you.. you get on average or 8 days OFF per month.. and some can be down route while on layover ( as I am as we speak)..
as far as DEC or F/O.. well I just feel stupid even answering this question... hhmmm ... A Captain or a F/O ?? tough choice.. let me think ?? even if you make the same money, I would be thinking of my future elswhere and not choose to be stuck for atleast 5 years as a F/O ( thats how long it takes on average around here, don't be fooled).
remember you are in the MIDDLE EAST.. the F/O position must be the toughest position anyone could ever do in this part of the world, just ask one.
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what is this cpt.krunch
I do not understand what do you mean by an F/O job can be so bad in the middle east airlines as you claim , apart from having to wait for his command 3 - 5 years which is normal unless of course this period is reduced to 2-3 years in certain times subject to airlines' needs, I find nearly every F/O is happy . I think you should stop talking like this about how F/O's feel here and scare peoples off unnecessarilly.
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Righton Krugerflap ..... QR is without any doubt the worst airline to work in the Middle East, full of lies that are told to you .... Its once bitten twice shy as the song goes !!!! Policies change with a blink of an eye ... Wait a minute THERE ARE NO POLICIES ....
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50 !!!!! what airline are you talking about.. surely NOT Qatar Aiways..
Oh yes maybe you mean Candidates only selected for Upgrade, but no way that 50 per year make the upgrade in this place.
Not to say the selected candidates are not up to par, some are some are not, regardless it comes down to some silly questions that a large percentage of experienced line Captains could not even answer anyway.. seems to have nothing to do with experience and capabilities.
so many good guys are stuck in the right seat, and so much Incompetence in the left seat. ( OK i'll say if for you.. myself included.. LOL)
Happiness is V2
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Oh yes maybe you mean Candidates only selected for Upgrade, but no way that 50 per year make the upgrade in this place.
Not to say the selected candidates are not up to par, some are some are not, regardless it comes down to some silly questions that a large percentage of experienced line Captains could not even answer anyway.. seems to have nothing to do with experience and capabilities.
so many good guys are stuck in the right seat, and so much Incompetence in the left seat. ( OK i'll say if for you.. myself included.. LOL)
Happiness is V2
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Korean Air or Qatar Airways
Gentleman of Qatar Airways, or ex QR, Good day to all.
Ive been offered interview on both Korean Air and Qatar Airways on these coming months. My question is (obvoiusly, incase I make it)..which one?
Before giving me your advices, consider the following:
F/O, early 30s, single, with over 3000 hours,
In KAL Im offered the 737. 11 days off a month anywhere in the world. No chance for upgrade ever, life in Korea would be purely focused on work, very strict SOPs, no social life, etc.
In QR most probably the 777. but im not looking in staying there for ever either.
Money wise comes out to the same after computing everything. Im simply looking for the most favourable and enjoyable experience.
Advice from Expats greatly appreciated..
Thanks to all.
Ive been offered interview on both Korean Air and Qatar Airways on these coming months. My question is (obvoiusly, incase I make it)..which one?
Before giving me your advices, consider the following:
F/O, early 30s, single, with over 3000 hours,
In KAL Im offered the 737. 11 days off a month anywhere in the world. No chance for upgrade ever, life in Korea would be purely focused on work, very strict SOPs, no social life, etc.
In QR most probably the 777. but im not looking in staying there for ever either.
Money wise comes out to the same after computing everything. Im simply looking for the most favourable and enjoyable experience.
Advice from Expats greatly appreciated..
Thanks to all.
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Haven't heard much on hiring at QR for a while. I have been in the holding pool for an interview as a non-type rated DEC for quite some time... Is QR looking at non-type rated DEC at this time?
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BlueFalcon:
well, you have a tough choice there my friend, some may say easy but I do not see it that way.
some may say.. QA is not a place that has a lifestyle, ( I tend to agree) social life is on layovers, SOPs are also very strict ( problem is sometimes it seems everyone has their own interpretation). however, in KAL as you mentioned.. permenent F/O, whereas QA you stand a chance of a upgrade in 5 years or so, this is provided you ( or your partner) have not made any SIM errors or line check blunders, and have kept your nose clean, also of course you must pass the command interviews and assesments.
so given the fact that you have limited experience and relatively low time, also keeping in mind the global market situation, my best advise would be to come here ( QA ) you just need to do good, put up and shut up, then you'll have a job until your reach the stage where you can take a upgrade out of the place, this is the only one clear advantage you'll have over the KAL position. don't get your hopes up over the 777, yes they are hiring allot of DEC's and F/O's on that fleet as it's the new bird in the yard, but at the same time we are short F/O on the 330 in a desperate way ( most of us now fly many Co-Capt trips because of this). your placed where needed at the time, unless your type rated, goes without saying i guess.
if thats not important to you, the KAL is the right choice, But be clear, in QA you ARE treated as a second class citizen full stop, I can't say what the ExPat life in Korean would be like having never lived there.
Mr Repeat
Yes they are still looking for ( more like needing) guys, knock on the door again is my suggestion.
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Krunch
well, you have a tough choice there my friend, some may say easy but I do not see it that way.
some may say.. QA is not a place that has a lifestyle, ( I tend to agree) social life is on layovers, SOPs are also very strict ( problem is sometimes it seems everyone has their own interpretation). however, in KAL as you mentioned.. permenent F/O, whereas QA you stand a chance of a upgrade in 5 years or so, this is provided you ( or your partner) have not made any SIM errors or line check blunders, and have kept your nose clean, also of course you must pass the command interviews and assesments.
so given the fact that you have limited experience and relatively low time, also keeping in mind the global market situation, my best advise would be to come here ( QA ) you just need to do good, put up and shut up, then you'll have a job until your reach the stage where you can take a upgrade out of the place, this is the only one clear advantage you'll have over the KAL position. don't get your hopes up over the 777, yes they are hiring allot of DEC's and F/O's on that fleet as it's the new bird in the yard, but at the same time we are short F/O on the 330 in a desperate way ( most of us now fly many Co-Capt trips because of this). your placed where needed at the time, unless your type rated, goes without saying i guess.
if thats not important to you, the KAL is the right choice, But be clear, in QA you ARE treated as a second class citizen full stop, I can't say what the ExPat life in Korean would be like having never lived there.
Mr Repeat
Yes they are still looking for ( more like needing) guys, knock on the door again is my suggestion.
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capt krunch
can you say something about qr 330 roster?
how many days off in doha?
is it true that qr pilots have their days off out of doha during layovers?
if you are called during a stand-by duty what's the time to be at the airport?
is there any chance to ask for days off or specific flight or layover in qr?
can you say something about qr 330 roster?
how many days off in doha?
is it true that qr pilots have their days off out of doha during layovers?
if you are called during a stand-by duty what's the time to be at the airport?
is there any chance to ask for days off or specific flight or layover in qr?
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AFD :
your answers as I know them.
1) maximum of 8
2) yes, every month but not all 8, usually just couple.
3) 1 hour, but sometimes they will call you many hours ahead of time.
4) yes you can request certain days OFF, and certain flights and layovers, but not all requests are honored and never consistant.
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Krunch
your answers as I know them.
1) maximum of 8
2) yes, every month but not all 8, usually just couple.
3) 1 hour, but sometimes they will call you many hours ahead of time.
4) yes you can request certain days OFF, and certain flights and layovers, but not all requests are honored and never consistant.
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Thanks Capt Krunch,
I will be knocking on the door again shortly... Any comments on the roster for the 777 (already read about the 320, and my Couz was on the 330)? Any other advice for a non-type rated guy (besides the usual QA stuff)?
I will be knocking on the door again shortly... Any comments on the roster for the 777 (already read about the 320, and my Couz was on the 330)? Any other advice for a non-type rated guy (besides the usual QA stuff)?
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one thing you should understand. this is not North America, Or Europe. things are different here, very different..the thoughts and Ideas are very much different and no one will change that, you must simply accept it, this is not the place to assume you have any human rights at all, no one really give a sh#t about who you are or what you have done, there are over 80 different nationalities in this company, and things are done to meet the standards of the lower common denominator.
think long and hard before coming out here. No one cares if your type rated or not.. yes of course the type rated guys have experience and thats whats needed around here on the 777, and we do have some really good experienced guys on that bird now ( the typed DEC's anyway). but in some peoples eyes your more of a threat than a asset. . Typed guys just takes the pressure off the training department and makes the SIM a bit shorter and easier, everything else is the same and it will take a minimum of 2 to 4 months before released to line if your already rated. add another month to that ( 30 to 45 day) if your not type rated.
this place can frustrate you to the point your head explodes, but in the end it's money in the bank ( not as good as some places) but it there, and thats why we are here isn't it.
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Krunch
think long and hard before coming out here. No one cares if your type rated or not.. yes of course the type rated guys have experience and thats whats needed around here on the 777, and we do have some really good experienced guys on that bird now ( the typed DEC's anyway). but in some peoples eyes your more of a threat than a asset. . Typed guys just takes the pressure off the training department and makes the SIM a bit shorter and easier, everything else is the same and it will take a minimum of 2 to 4 months before released to line if your already rated. add another month to that ( 30 to 45 day) if your not type rated.
this place can frustrate you to the point your head explodes, but in the end it's money in the bank ( not as good as some places) but it there, and thats why we are here isn't it.
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SNAM :
please elaborate ??
well let me think, what do expats come to the ME, namely Qatar... night life ?? there is more active and better night life on any given sunday or national holiday than there is at the best day of the week in Qatar.. ( private party scene is quite good though) .. maybe culture ? well i'll leave that one alone for respect, but one thing for sure all that the local folks are interested in is building bigger and better, or something newer and fancier than the neighbor.. no true historic value can be seen anywhere.
is it lifestyle then ?? if you compare Qatar's lifestyle with that of a 3rd world country then i'll say yes to that one, other than that is very limited. why would someone leave their country to become treated like a second class citizen.
so what does that leave me. wake up a bit SNAM. most all expats are avoiding the tax man in our home countries ( money) QA pays a fair wage for the job done ( money) we get paid on time all the time ( money) we can buy things on credit that we could no do so easily in our home countries ( money), we can save, money, easily due to lack of things to do in this country ( money). we have all transplanted our lives, and families to this country to build a better future faster back home ( root of this .. MONEY) .. that vast majority of us are here for the money, no 2 ways about it.
yes there are some local arabic folks from surrounding countries that come for a bit of a better maybe more modern life ( libya, Sudan ) to name only 2 and NOT meant to generalize, even some of those guys are here,, for the MONEY.. thats why so many expats come to a Tax free region. if a income Tax of 20 to 50 percent ( like most countries ) would be applied, then you would see NO ONE out here.. ( again MONEY)
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Krunch
please elaborate ??
well let me think, what do expats come to the ME, namely Qatar... night life ?? there is more active and better night life on any given sunday or national holiday than there is at the best day of the week in Qatar.. ( private party scene is quite good though) .. maybe culture ? well i'll leave that one alone for respect, but one thing for sure all that the local folks are interested in is building bigger and better, or something newer and fancier than the neighbor.. no true historic value can be seen anywhere.
is it lifestyle then ?? if you compare Qatar's lifestyle with that of a 3rd world country then i'll say yes to that one, other than that is very limited. why would someone leave their country to become treated like a second class citizen.
so what does that leave me. wake up a bit SNAM. most all expats are avoiding the tax man in our home countries ( money) QA pays a fair wage for the job done ( money) we get paid on time all the time ( money) we can buy things on credit that we could no do so easily in our home countries ( money), we can save, money, easily due to lack of things to do in this country ( money). we have all transplanted our lives, and families to this country to build a better future faster back home ( root of this .. MONEY) .. that vast majority of us are here for the money, no 2 ways about it.
yes there are some local arabic folks from surrounding countries that come for a bit of a better maybe more modern life ( libya, Sudan ) to name only 2 and NOT meant to generalize, even some of those guys are here,, for the MONEY.. thats why so many expats come to a Tax free region. if a income Tax of 20 to 50 percent ( like most countries ) would be applied, then you would see NO ONE out here
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Yes I do agree, we come here for the MONEY!! And also eventually a type rating for those non-type rated guys/gals.
But...these days it looks like if you want to make a living in aviation, the ME is the only place. You have stability, career...?, money....
Concerning the money, let me throw there some numbers, not for show off but for pure info to those interested in joining:
I am a farely new F/O on the 320 and this year including the housing allowance, I made 130,000 USD for 730 hours flown.
It might sound a lot but believe me it doesn't feel like 130 k....not here in Doha. Still I am not complaining. So far for me it's a win win situation but I am not naive so please spare me any sarcastic comments.....
I have no agenda, am not a brown noser and don't believe in Santa Claus anymore.
Just facts.
But...these days it looks like if you want to make a living in aviation, the ME is the only place. You have stability, career...?, money....
Concerning the money, let me throw there some numbers, not for show off but for pure info to those interested in joining:
I am a farely new F/O on the 320 and this year including the housing allowance, I made 130,000 USD for 730 hours flown.
It might sound a lot but believe me it doesn't feel like 130 k....not here in Doha. Still I am not complaining. So far for me it's a win win situation but I am not naive so please spare me any sarcastic comments.....
I have no agenda, am not a brown noser and don't believe in Santa Claus anymore.
Just facts.
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Hello gents,
Any updates re: Rosters, days-off, and destinations aside from JFK, IAD (future IAH with 200LR) and BOM?
Website now shows 5 a/c incorporated into the fleet......How many expected to arrive in 2009?
I have >2800 RHS hours on B763ER (>4100 TT) but willl soon be transfered to LHS on the A320. My question is, would QR still consider me for the T7 or will they only consider me for the bus? Regardless of previous experience?
Thanks in advance, and happy new year, wherever you may spend it
!
OW
Any updates re: Rosters, days-off, and destinations aside from JFK, IAD (future IAH with 200LR) and BOM?
Website now shows 5 a/c incorporated into the fleet......How many expected to arrive in 2009?
I have >2800 RHS hours on B763ER (>4100 TT) but willl soon be transfered to LHS on the A320. My question is, would QR still consider me for the T7 or will they only consider me for the bus? Regardless of previous experience?
Thanks in advance, and happy new year, wherever you may spend it
!OW
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How much does one of those ID90s cost ?
And this observation from across the pond... from all of the posts that I read here(hundreds), there a very few of you pilots that are satisfied and or happy in the "SandPit". WHY..... Are all of the Airlines over there run so unorganized, I'm astonished and in disbelief. It's amazing from what I read here daily. OMFG
And this observation from across the pond... from all of the posts that I read here(hundreds), there a very few of you pilots that are satisfied and or happy in the "SandPit". WHY..... Are all of the Airlines over there run so unorganized, I'm astonished and in disbelief. It's amazing from what I read here daily. OMFG