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The only bidding system related stuff I've seen relates to swapping duties/leave bidding.
Is there a roster bidding system? Avoid early starts? Avoid 4 sector days? That kind of thing.
Would a DE A320 TR F/O have to enter as an SO or would it be straight to the FO scale? Which I assess to be about 390k QR p/a including flight pay and excluding housing allowance and any pension/investment contributions.
I presume not far off 90hrs a month? Is it a random pattern or fixed i.e. 5 on 4 off? Before the blockade (and after) I'd expect double Dubai's/2 sector eastern Europeans/East African/Gulf flights on the 319/320? I realise night time doesn't really mean anything in the gulf and off blocks at 0300L is not weird.
Fleet freeze for several years or internal options to change to 330/350/380?
Difficult jobs for the boys command process or fairly straightforward?
Training or checking? Local or expat TRIs? Play the game and curtsy to the training sky gods or good blokes?
Anyone know where on the QCAA site I can find their FTL regs? I presume not too dissimilar to EASA/FAA? Hard to find. I appreciate the blockade problem but discounting that, does Gulf ops see a lot of slots? Is discretion not unusual or unheard of? Days planned to close to max FDP or more realistic? Are people knackered?
FD - CC relations relaxed or very formal? Having experienced the ME before I understand the fear and blame culture. Crew rushing to report each other to advance careers.
What is the QR attitude to fatigue? A system in place to call in fatigued or unfit or sick non-punitively? FRMS system?
Hotels and transport ok? Is the flight pay/per diem part of the monthly or actually paid on the day? I suppose a lot of guys have those international debit cards that let you load lots of different currencies on them?
Crewing & flt ops easy/pleasant to deal with?
Standby survival rate? Presume 90 minute call out given Doha traffic?
Rigid OM-B with obsessive adherence to AP/ATHR and ILS or airmanship and visuals allowed?
PM's very much appreciated. Thanks. I suspect the response to some questions like frms and company morale may draw a chuckle!
Is there a roster bidding system? Avoid early starts? Avoid 4 sector days? That kind of thing.
Would a DE A320 TR F/O have to enter as an SO or would it be straight to the FO scale? Which I assess to be about 390k QR p/a including flight pay and excluding housing allowance and any pension/investment contributions.
I presume not far off 90hrs a month? Is it a random pattern or fixed i.e. 5 on 4 off? Before the blockade (and after) I'd expect double Dubai's/2 sector eastern Europeans/East African/Gulf flights on the 319/320? I realise night time doesn't really mean anything in the gulf and off blocks at 0300L is not weird.
Fleet freeze for several years or internal options to change to 330/350/380?
Difficult jobs for the boys command process or fairly straightforward?
Training or checking? Local or expat TRIs? Play the game and curtsy to the training sky gods or good blokes?
Anyone know where on the QCAA site I can find their FTL regs? I presume not too dissimilar to EASA/FAA? Hard to find. I appreciate the blockade problem but discounting that, does Gulf ops see a lot of slots? Is discretion not unusual or unheard of? Days planned to close to max FDP or more realistic? Are people knackered?
FD - CC relations relaxed or very formal? Having experienced the ME before I understand the fear and blame culture. Crew rushing to report each other to advance careers.
What is the QR attitude to fatigue? A system in place to call in fatigued or unfit or sick non-punitively? FRMS system?
Hotels and transport ok? Is the flight pay/per diem part of the monthly or actually paid on the day? I suppose a lot of guys have those international debit cards that let you load lots of different currencies on them?
Crewing & flt ops easy/pleasant to deal with?
Standby survival rate? Presume 90 minute call out given Doha traffic?
Rigid OM-B with obsessive adherence to AP/ATHR and ILS or airmanship and visuals allowed?
PM's very much appreciated. Thanks. I suspect the response to some questions like frms and company morale may draw a chuckle!
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I'm not on 320 but I'll try to answer some of the questions
Yup, you can bid for all of those. Getting off days depends on the crew factor. At times with many pilots on your fleet = easier to get off days, opposite applies with less pilots. Getting the flights you want is easier regardless of the crew factor.
Don't know about the SO/FO issue but salary sounds about right
After the blockade the 320 rosters got much better. Not many double turnarounds anymore. Many legs are quite long even on the 320, therefor flying 90hrs in QR is not as tiring as when flown at an LCC.
Depends on demand. ATM I haven't heard of many fleet transfers.
The process is demanding however the training is good and you know what to expect. No surprises. Just hard work preparing and keeping a clean record. The fail rate is not low though...
Training is quite good and keeps improving. There's a grading system which points out weaknesses, achieving full each PC is not easy but they won't fail you for no reason. Even the instructors are under "scrutiny" so you are treated fairly with respect. Coming from a carrier where training is more skill based rather than rule/CRM based training took some time for adaptation.
The FTL's are less conservative than EASA. Some duties are tiring but fatigue is not as big of a problem as in EK.
It is very formal unfortunately.
Rosters are quite stable on the 320 and layovers usually give enough time to rest. If you manage your rest and health in general there shouldn't be much of an issue with fatigue. Alot of the guys I know that are complaining about fatigue are commuting on non commuting rosters.
You goto work on your own, uber/taxi is cheap. Hotel standard is OK, does the job but is usually close to the airport. Dealing with banks is another issue. Quality of bank services is low. Some options are better than others though.
If something unforeseen happens (sickness, passing of close relatives etc) the company is quite compassionate and tries to help. Other than that the roster is what's published.
Expect to fly on most standbys. Doha traffic depends on time of day and location of accomodation. Not too bad compared to most other places.
Very rule based company. Manuals are well written and improved regularly though. Everything has a procedure and you are expected to know and obey each and every one. No disconnecting of A/T or flight directors. Visuals only if the situation dictates. Max use of equipment.
Depends on the person coming here but in overall I'm happy with the job.
Is there a roster bidding system? Avoid early starts? Avoid 4 sector days? That kind of thing.
Would a DE A320 TR F/O have to enter as an SO or would it be straight to the FO scale? Which I assess to be about 390k QR p/a including flight pay and excluding housing allowance and any pension/investment contributions.
I presume not far off 90hrs a month? Is it a random pattern or fixed i.e. 5 on 4 off? Before the blockade (and after) I'd expect double Dubai's/2 sector eastern Europeans/East African/Gulf flights on the 319/320? I realise night time doesn't really mean anything in the gulf and off blocks at 0300L is not weird.
Fleet freeze for several years or internal options to change to 330/350/380?
Difficult jobs for the boys command process or fairly straightforward?
Training or checking? Local or expat TRIs? Play the game and curtsy to the training sky gods or good blokes?
Anyone know where on the QCAA site I can find their FTL regs? I presume not too dissimilar to EASA/FAA? Hard to find. I appreciate the blockade problem but discounting that, does Gulf ops see a lot of slots? Is discretion not unusual or unheard of? Days planned to close to max FDP or more realistic? Are people knackered?
FD - CC relations relaxed or very formal? Having experienced the ME before I understand the fear and blame culture. Crew rushing to report each other to advance careers.
What is the QR attitude to fatigue? A system in place to call in fatigued or unfit or sick non-punitively? FRMS system?
Hotels and transport ok? Is the flight pay/per diem part of the monthly or actually paid on the day? I suppose a lot of guys have those international debit cards that let you load lots of different currencies on them?
Crewing & flt ops easy/pleasant to deal with?
Standby survival rate? Presume 90 minute call out given Doha traffic?
Rigid OM-B with obsessive adherence to AP/ATHR and ILS or airmanship and visuals allowed?
Depends on the person coming here but in overall I'm happy with the job.
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Legend, cheers.
How successful do you normally be which getting what you bid for? I'd be quite happy doing two sector late layovers all the time.
Can't find any pilots but I've seen a few CC rosters on the internet. Very random really, 6 days on 2 off, 3 on 2 off etc.. Is it the same for us? I remember reading something somewhere about how 4do in a row is a minimum.
Thanks. Do you know the name of the document on the QCAA website where they'll be listed?
Rosters are quite stable on the 320 and layovers usually give enough time to rest. If you manage your rest and health in general there shouldn't be much of an issue with fatigue. Alot of the guys I know that are complaining about fatigue are commuting on non commuting rosters.
On a similar note. I presume you have to convert your license and medical to a QCAA one. Do you just see a Doha based AME for your renewals? Same as EASA? Most importantly - have any guys had problems if they go back to Europe having not exercised the privileges of their EASA quals for years?
Underground car park for staff? If you're on a layover is it quite normal for crew to bring big suitcases with them?
Great. When is the publication date compared to the first day of the roster?
That's quite interesting leaving FDs on if you're doing a visual!
On the A320 series, when the autopilot is disconnected in OP DES mode, the FD remains engaged in thrust mode, commanding IDLE thrust, and provides pitch commands for the PF to maintain the target speed. Thrust will not increase when the pitch commands are not followed and there is a decay in speed, until low speed protection ALPHA FLOOR activates. To revert to SPEED mode and resume variable thrust, the flight director must be switched off.
Thanks again mate.
Rosters are quite stable on the 320 and layovers usually give enough time to rest. If you manage your rest and health in general there shouldn't be much of an issue with fatigue. Alot of the guys I know that are complaining about fatigue are commuting on non commuting rosters.
On the A320 series, when the autopilot is disconnected in OP DES mode, the FD remains engaged in thrust mode, commanding IDLE thrust, and provides pitch commands for the PF to maintain the target speed. Thrust will not increase when the pitch commands are not followed and there is a decay in speed, until low speed protection ALPHA FLOOR activates. To revert to SPEED mode and resume variable thrust, the flight director must be switched off.
Thanks again mate.
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Knowing the FTL’s is of no importance. There is no discretion about going into discretion.
You will operate and complete the flight, period. If you refuse to continue because of an
FTL limit and do not continue into discretion, your time here will end very suddenly.
You will operate and complete the flight, period. If you refuse to continue because of an
FTL limit and do not continue into discretion, your time here will end very suddenly.
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How successful do you normally be which getting what you bid for? I'd be quite happy doing two sector late layovers all the time.
Can't find any pilots but I've seen a few CC rosters on the internet. Very random really, 6 days on 2 off, 3 on 2 off etc.. Is it the same for us? I remember reading something somewhere about how 4do in a row is a minimum.
Thanks. Do you know the name of the document on the QCAA website where they'll be listed?
On a similar note. I presume you have to convert your license and medical to a QCAA one. Do you just see a Doha based AME for your renewals? Same as EASA? Most importantly - have any guys had problems if they go back to Europe having not exercised the privileges of their EASA quals for years?
Maintaining your EASA papers is up to you. You have to arrange parallel PC's, medicals etc. Company does not endorse it in any way.
Maintaining your EASA papers is up to you. You have to arrange parallel PC's, medicals etc. Company does not endorse it in any way.
Underground car park for staff? If you're on a layover is it quite normal for crew to bring big suitcases with them?
Great. When is the publication date compared to the first day of the roster?
That's quite interesting leaving FDs on if you're doing a visual!
On the A320 series, when the autopilot is disconnected in OP DES mode, the FD remains engaged in thrust mode, commanding IDLE thrust, and provides pitch commands for the PF to maintain the target speed. Thrust will not increase when the pitch commands are not followed and there is a decay in speed, until low speed protection ALPHA FLOOR activates. To revert to SPEED mode and resume variable thrust, the flight director must be switched off.
On the A320 series, when the autopilot is disconnected in OP DES mode, the FD remains engaged in thrust mode, commanding IDLE thrust, and provides pitch commands for the PF to maintain the target speed. Thrust will not increase when the pitch commands are not followed and there is a decay in speed, until low speed protection ALPHA FLOOR activates. To revert to SPEED mode and resume variable thrust, the flight director must be switched off.
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DEC Boeing
Any news about DEC on Boeing fleet ??? Regards
Depends on the fleet and the crewing factor. Last year we had plenty of pilots on my fleet and we got almost all we bid for. Now there are less and therefor lower satisfaction rates, however the company is recruiting accordingly. It is very cyclic, don't expect to get all your bids all the time.
Their rosters are quite different since they can operate several different types of flights. No fixed pattern, it's all cyclic and calculated by a computer.
No idea where to find it. I only refer to our part-A but it cannot be shared. The FTL's are a lighter version of the old JAR ones.
You fly with a QCAA license, the conversion is taken care of for you by the guys in the office. You only do an initial medical in Qatar, which is straight forward really.
Not underground. Don't bid for afternoon landings in Doha during the summer. If you do, stay off the curry and buy quality deodorants.
At least a week before as per the rules (I think), however it's usually published earlier.
I fly Boeings, this French equipment sounds like complicated stuff. I envy your table though.
Their rosters are quite different since they can operate several different types of flights. No fixed pattern, it's all cyclic and calculated by a computer.
No idea where to find it. I only refer to our part-A but it cannot be shared. The FTL's are a lighter version of the old JAR ones.
You fly with a QCAA license, the conversion is taken care of for you by the guys in the office. You only do an initial medical in Qatar, which is straight forward really.
Not underground. Don't bid for afternoon landings in Doha during the summer. If you do, stay off the curry and buy quality deodorants.
At least a week before as per the rules (I think), however it's usually published earlier.
I fly Boeings, this French equipment sounds like complicated stuff. I envy your table though.
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the minimums are pretty firm.....I think your app would just be rejected
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Does anyone know what's going to happen if i fail At PA ?
Do i have chance to apply again ?
completed the test saturday still no reply at all.
Just thinking the the worst case scenario
Do i have chance to apply again ?
completed the test saturday still no reply at all.
Just thinking the the worst case scenario
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Sorry I have no idea about your question.
But I want to know did you apply FO or Capt? Boeing or Airbus?
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