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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 27th Aug 2015, 15:21
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 9
Posts: 429
Anyway, back on topic, the water is not as cold and dirty as some may think. Some are enjoying it, some are not. Those that are tend not to bother posting here. Those that are not and have an axe to grind tend to post negative here. It's sometimes good to get a view from both sides.

Am I looking to leave, nope. Just wish there was more trees, grass and hills. The only thing I hate here is the driving standards.

As for the company, I am as happy as can be. It's a job. I am here to work, it's my workplace. Simple as that. Life here is ok. Safe and very little chance of being robbed or assaulted.

Would I choose to live here, no. Would I choose to work elsewhere for another company ? Until I see anything better, I have no plans to leave. Take each day as it comes.

Do I worry about working here, nope not at all. Just do my job and smile.

Do I enjoy my job, yes I do but it can be tiring as often changing from day flights to night flights and vice versa.

All I can ask is if your not happy here, do me and others a favour and leave. I do want to listen to crap like the above whilst I am on a 12 hour shift. Be mature enough to sort yourself out and get yourself another job elsewhere.

I am grateful Stone Cold takes the time to post what he does. I don't agree with most of what he writes, but at least it opens up the opportunity to allow those more intelligent than me to be able to reply to his thoughts and views.

Those that are waiting to come here, it's not as bad as it sounds. I often speak to colleagues here who are very also very happy and have no intentions of leaving. I seldom here from anyone who is looking to leave.

The job is simple, the equipment is top and well maintained.
In the few years I have been here, I have never felt pressurised into doing anything I should not have been doing. This company is very strict on you doing the job as you're suppose to and as safe as possible. They are very strict on being stable by 1000 feet. They are also very strict on company image and appearance etc. I get breathalised before a flight at least once a week. I have no problems with this at all. They don't take any crap from anyone, it's as simple as that.

If you can't take working for a company as such, they apply elsewhere and good luck to you.

If anyone would like to suggest another company for me or others to look at for employment, please feel free to list them here.

Last edited by Black Pudding; 27th Aug 2015 at 15:52.
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Old 27th Aug 2015, 21:45
  #8182 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: where my body lives
Posts: 73
I have been selected for the type rating class of January 2016. I received the job offer and i have signed and sent it.
However when i see people around directly put into the pool i get chills.
Should i be worried that i might not be called for the type rating class?
I am a 737 experienced FO applied for 777 non rated.
I don't know where i should stand. Should i look for another job(for just in casse situation) or can i trust QR for my recruitment?
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 02:28
  #8183 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 9
Posts: 429
I would say once you have been given a start date, it's pretty well set in stone. It may get put back a couple of weeks, but this is something that does not happen often.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 12:10
  #8184 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 12
Guys I joined one year ago, and trust me everything I heard before I join was not true. Read Black Pudding threads, he mentioned everything you need to know.

I was accepted in the three big gulf carriers and I decided to join QR, and I don't feel regret at all. We have a quite good number of pilots who have been here for many years and not thinking to leave.

The company expects you to do your job as described in your operational manual, so read your books carefuly and you'll get what you want.

The operation is very relaxed, everybody does his job, respect each other and leave happily.

Qatar is still under development and the culture is quite deferent for some, its changing slowly, but remember that we are here to work not to change the country.

For the guys thinking to joing, don't hesitate just come and build up your careers.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 14:38
  #8185 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: France
Posts: 106
Happiness score
EK: 0
QR: 3

I think I would go for a ride in Doha
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 15:42
  #8186 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 9
Posts: 429
Your happiness scoring system will not be fair or realistic as no one from EY will be reading our thread. They are far too busy with their own problems.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 16:13
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: France
Posts: 106
Actually I have sought in vain along the rocky roads of PPRuNe about the "unnamed" one. Maybe guys are too busy enjoying their happiness?
Would you give us some light on that in order to ensure an unbiased trustworthy happiness scoring system?
Your help is deeply appreciated!
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 16:38
  #8188 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 9
Posts: 429
Can't comment on the un named as never worked there. Just know some left us to join them. Some are happy, some re applied to come back. Me, I am happy here so would not waste my time moving from one desert to another. I think living where they are maybe nicer, but not so sure the job is any better than here.
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 18:44
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Air
Posts: 36
-foswillruletheworld

Hi Mate.. Congratulations for your type rating class date. Can you tell when did you apply, interview, good news and joining..
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 19:29
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: France
Posts: 106
Thank you for your input! Since upgrade time is fastest in QR let's attribute the silver medal to the 'famous unkown'. Regarding EK, complains and bitterness seem to be too much to be ignored...
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Old 28th Aug 2015, 20:50
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: U.S.
Posts: 9
Where can I look at the T& C for A-320 DEC at Qatar? I can not find the specifics anywhere within the Qatar current openings section of their website. I am looking for as much information as possible, travel benefits for pilot and family, annual leave days, medical insurance, company provided housing, salary etc.
Thanks for any information.
Rocky
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Old 29th Aug 2015, 03:30
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Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Two hundred baro
Posts: 159
Crikey, I hope I never have to fly with Stone-cold, what a miserable trip that would be......why you still here? Did they imprison you?

In answer to a post I read about having to be type-rated on the 777, I've not seen a type-rated new F/O for a long time.
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Old 29th Aug 2015, 06:40
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sandpit
Posts: 177
CAT1 . Apr 22,2013 , quote :
I came here as DEC wide-body three years ago. A lot of what is written here is true, some seems exaggerated. My wife and myself maintained a positive attitude here until eventually it was worn down by a process of slow abrasion, and it was not the job that led to this. But I will start with a bit about the job.

If you do an unstable approach, and go-around, nothing will happen. If you land from an unstable approach, both of you are in line for the sack. In my time here I have had no problems at all at work, and if you do what the company wants and keep your opinions to yourself, it's a pretty easy job. The aircraft are reliable, the roster is manageable, and the day to day operation of the airline runs smoothly.
The training has improved markedly in the time I have been here, but there's still a few trainers who think the best way to train is to prove to you how well they know the manuals and how much cleverer they are than you.
As long as you understand that management are not in the least interested in individuals, you won't be disappointed. The vast majority of pilots here came because their previous employer went bankrupt. The company has no problem getting applications, and until this changes, their attitude will remain one of thinking that they are doing you a favour by employing you. The recent reduction to a maximum consecutive amount of days-off from 8 to 4 has no practical purpose whatsoever. Read into that what you will.

However, I'll not go on about working conditions any more, as that has been well covered in previous posts. For my wife and myself, the main issue is not the airline, but the location. Unless you like malls and getting drunk in very expensive hotel bars or nightclubs, there is very little to do here outside your home. If you have a high-maintenance wife, she'll love it, as there is plenty of bling to spend your money on.....not much else though.

The temperature is over 40 degrees for 6 months of the year, so you spend the vast majority of your time air-conditioned. The summers are so hot that people end up losing their sun-tans from never going outside. Walking anywhere is almost impossible due to no sidewalks, heat and dangerous traffic. The air quality is very poor year round and the dust gets absolutely everywhere - beware if you're an asthma sufferer.
During Ramadan, which is currently mid-summer, you will be arrested if you are seen drinking water, eating or smoking outside your house or even in your car during the day, so most people (including the locals) stay indoors in daylight hours for 4 weeks. The migrant workers on the roads and construction sites however are expected to work all day with no food or water, often with the inevitable consequences. Two years ago during Ramadan a guy knocked on our door with severe dehydration, and if we hadn't brought him in and given him some water I am not sure he would have survived much longer. The traffic is horrendous, and the standard of driving among the worst I have ever encountered (I include India and the whole of Africa in this assessment). Over-taking can and will happen from any lane (or from off-road) at any time, with no indicators used, often while half-way round a roundabout. White Land-cruisers will drive an inch behind you flashing their lights at you to move over, regardless of whether there is anywhere to move over to. The driver will most likely be talking on his mobile phone and have a kid in his lap while doing this. Cars will leave the road, drive along the dirt to pass a line of cars, and force their way in front of you, while pretending not to notice you. If you have an accident involving a local, it is your fault.
You need an exit visa to leave the country, and forget about a second passport, as if that does not show an entry stamp and tourist visa it won't get you out of the country. The badly-paid migrant workers who make up the vast majority of the population have absolutely no rights. If they abscond from their employer (who holds their passport) for any reason whatsoever, they will go to jail. If their employer does not give them written permission to leave the country, they cannot leave. They have no redress to any organisation that protects their human rights.

I could go on, but for anyone thinking of moving here. especially with a family, there's a lot more to consider than just the job or the company. A vast amount of wives do not make it past one year before returning home, leaving hubby to try and commute as best as possible (which has just been made more difficult by reducing the max consecutive days off from 8 to 4). I'd estimate at least 50% of married pilots here longer than one year (and that's probably a conservative estimate) are now here on their own. I'm one of the lucky ones, but it's getting close to me joining that 50%.....time to move on. The education allowance does not cover two kids school fees here, and places are hard to come by, so if you're moving here with kids you need to start looking at schooling sooner rather than later. One captain who joined recently had to pay a years school fees up front before his joining date, and the company has refused to reimburse him as he paid before his date of commencement of employment. Kids tend to like it here until they reach about 14-15 yrs old, at which point they seem to suddenly turn to hating it.

For single folks, life here is much easier, and if you are young and like partying, restaurants, and malls (and are not particularly interested in saving money), it's probably not too bad.

Overall it's an extremely false existence in a materialistic world and any exonerating factors pall very quickly.
10 June 2014 , quote :
The Taliban have claimed responsibility. The 5 Taliban released in exchange for the American soldier recently are now living in Qatar, along with around twenty of their cohorts*BBC News - How Qatar came to host the Taliban*. As the national airline of Qatar is government owned, we now have the owners of a major international airline openly supporting a group who blow up airports. Pretty bizarre.
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Guess you have had a change of heart ??
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Old 29th Aug 2015, 14:49
  #8194 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 9
Posts: 429
Stone_Cold

Which wonderful Airline do you work for now. Like I said earlier, I would like to know where the perfect job and country is that an ex pat could think about going to.

Anyone other airline job suggestions is most welcome, not that I am looking to leave here, just interested in your thoughts on this.
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Old 29th Aug 2015, 16:44
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 29
I can just full agree with Stone Cold. I was there, hated it and took the only right decission - left this strange carrier(which counts for most of the gulf carriers including EK). Was a Capt. there, well, a while ago. Threads about QR didn't change over the last 10 years, whenever I visit to see if this 5 star airline(i have seen better ones) ever improved in handling their employees. Nope....

Now I am much poorer and much happier. Not much more to say about. But a lot of the negative posts are very true and it seems often to me that the positive ones are often from management pilots or even management itself.
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Old 29th Aug 2015, 17:12
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Air
Posts: 36
Joining

Guys any update on how long is waiting in hold pool for NTR FO Boeing
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Old 29th Aug 2015, 22:19
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sandpit
Posts: 177
BP , not sure if you are referring to previous posts , however in my most recent , I was just pointing out quotes from CAT1 as he made a personal stab . The last post was direct quotes of his (CAT1)...He seems critical of facts I posted , yet he seems to have had the same viewpoint . Interesting comments in his posts regarding Islam . Must be nice to fly in an Islamic country when you have such strong views against the people . I just found it curious that he could make these comments , among others ..
At least yourself and Flyd are consistently cheering on the team .

I agree ..no perfect airline out there , never said or implied this . However , as it still is a relatively free forum , I assume that just as you have the right to champion the positives , one has the right to provide an alternate view . I have said that many like it in QR , have made a career out of . So , money is good ..airplanes are good , cockpit atmosphere largely good ..but perhaps some may want to ask more questions ???
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Old 30th Aug 2015, 15:42
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 12
Commuter wish you and all pilots the best in their career, I'm happy with my airline so far...
By the way I'm a first officer, so not in the management.
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Old 30th Aug 2015, 16:19
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Anywhere
Posts: 2
QR second officer

hello, folks .
hi to all.

QR SO:
Among these, is there anyone who have already gone through PSA and having any date for Interview or date of joining ?,
Please also, someone enlighten - when next are they going to start sending mails for PSA ,than subsequent interviews ?
cheers guys, highfly.
thanksalot.
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Old 30th Aug 2015, 19:08
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Join Date: May 2011
Location: in the sky
Posts: 114
@dream2013

Not anytime soon!
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