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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 23rd Jul 2013, 20:07
  #6441 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Up in the Air
Posts: 143

Did they give you any other reason or just that management explanation?? I read in the other foro that a guy was told that becuase he was above the age limit fro NTR FO he was remove from the pool.

Anyway its bad, every time I ask my friends inside Qatar they say that they are really desperate to get people, they need too many but im not sure what to believe.

Have they called any NTR FO or FTSO???
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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 20:18
  #6442 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Frenzo - may be a blessing in disguise for you. I would try the 2 big UAE carriers. Not sure about EK given the RJ type (whether competitive), but you may want to try the other big UAE carrier.

Good luck
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Old 23rd Jul 2013, 21:23
  #6443 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Earth planet
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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Hi all, I have a lot friends in the pool since more than 1 y, same to me... And now I reading what's happened to people in the pool ... unbelievable
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 01:34
  #6444 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: India
Age: 34
Posts: 2

Hello Guys
I had filled the online application a week before for TRFO. I m TR on 320 n 2000 plus hours on type. I got a reply from their team saying my application is incomplete and I need to attach my CV, references Academic Qualifications ....

But to my knowledge I have attached all the prerequisite and had sent the application. Dont know why its says incomplete.

Any comments & help needed
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 03:11
  #6445 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Miami
Posts: 3
Thanks guys for some of the reply. Yes of course Im trying the others 2 in Me.
no explanation what so ever. I dont believe is an age issue bc Im 38. unless thats a problem for them. Also I never call them or bother them like some other guys that have been taken out of the Talent pool. Anyways Good luck to those of you that actually make over there.
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 11:41
  #6446 (permalink)  
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: italy
Age: 49
Posts: 4
Hi, I don't think that is a age problem, I have a frend that he is 49 years old and is waiting in the talent pool...in the past they withdraw same FO with experience in aircraft below 21 tons....good luck.
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Old 24th Jul 2013, 15:44
  #6447 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: I wish I knew
Posts: 250
Hi Frenzo, very similar to you but 15k tt, 10k wb. Can't explain it, just move on
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 01:02
  #6448 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Where aviation management replaces common sense
Posts: 70
Sadly, You were all warned

I have avoided posting for the longest of times as this thread can be very circular, covering the same Q's many many times.

Unfortuneatly its a shame for those waiting for long time to be removed from hold pool. Believe me, many more have been removed, but not told.

You were all warned by my and others many hints at this situation, so in essence you cant blame QR as you did give them supreme control over your hope.

Move on with your lives and dont hold outfor this place.

A/C orders does not equal good airline.

QCAA medical
Hy, do anybody know where can we pass the medical class 1 in Qatar ? if you have adress and number it will good.
Thats the strangest of Question for a person who tell that he knew pilots in QR and lived in Doha.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 10:32
  #6449 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Up in the Air
Posts: 143

Hi there.

I know that you are most of the time right and its a pleasure to have someone to really speaks what he knows even if its bad news, many of us have been waiting here for a year or so and now been told thank you and good from QR is so frustrating and unprofessional, very bad for the image.

Anyway, are they removing people randomly or they are following some criteria?? Are they going to call anyone else from the pool of FTSO, NTR FO??

I can be consider myself lucky because im still working but I know some guys that are just waiting for QR to call and not doing any pilot job, even if in the email was clearly stated, "Do not resign from your current job"..

Any info will be highly appreciated.
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 14:34
  #6450 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Timbuktoo
Posts: 161

Hi All,

Anybody who went to the ADAPT assessments in the recent few weeks heard back yet?

As for removing people from the pool - Ive got a feeling that if anybody, those who are SOs would be since they don't need expats for this role. But surely, surely they should be telling the guys....
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Old 25th Jul 2013, 14:57
  #6451 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Doha, Qatar
Age: 51
Posts: 429
While I have to admit the hiring process has been very frustrating.....lack of information and long wait times, and now many people being kicked out of the pool after waiting so long, I am still mildly impressed that they continue to call pilots that have been swimming for almost 2 years.
Even the better airline from across the way has been less than perfect in its hiring process. Many people in the pool were told they must re-interview after swimming for a year, and some DECs were told their offer was no longer valid...unless they wanted to be FO.
I don't think they are intentionally trying to screw anyone....just poorly executed plan
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 18:39
  #6452 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Maybe you should look at the initial expansion plans of QR? What about the new airport? Where are the aircrafts massively ordered?
Maybe the delays had some impact..
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Old 26th Jul 2013, 18:59
  #6453 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Europe
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Potential C-Series Order at QR?????

Al Baker has mentioned that he is "very" interested in ordering the Bombardier C-Series for shorter/thinner regional routes (if the airplane can actually start its flight testing!!!). A big order could mean a lot more hiring and more of a regional focus for longhaul feed.

Get your act together Bombardier!!!!

Last edited by Iver; 26th Jul 2013 at 18:59.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 01:02
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: India
Age: 50
Posts: 3
Truth About Qatar Airways Pilot Life

Here we go guys this the truth and nothing but the truth, coming from pilots from Qatar Airways that Cannot speak out about the conditions and the life style in general at this airline.
The recruitment process is frustrating and not so informative and misleading. You are not told about all the BS that goes on once you sign the contract and start the long process of training.

Housing is a mess. One day they promise a furnished accommodation and you arrive with your bags and nothing else expecting fully furnished accommodation, but what you get for the first two weeks is a hotel like suite that you must vacat within two weeks and you start the humiliating process of looking for your own accommodation with the little money they give you, that is not enough for a two bedroom flat, in not so nice area. You get frustrated but you have no choice you decide to pay out of your salary and get something somewhat acceptable but again all on your own with no help from the company what so ever. If you decide to rent unfurnished then you must put up all the cost of not only the furniture but also appliances because most places will have nothing in appliance other than A/C.
You get that part done and then you start the long process of getting all the paper work done. Residence permit process is humiliating to say the least. You are treated like cattle in this process for medical tests and so on.

Done now company training starts with a sporatic schedule of classes at different locations every time and sometimes you arrive at your scheduled class only to find there is no class. And this process can drag on for months, and when you think you are finally done they tell you oh we forgot you must do such and such class and they blame you for not telling or reminding them that you where required to take the class as if it's a process you are expected to know.

Sim training when you finally get to it is somewhat more predictable but as you will shortly find out the process is not what you call training but rather a process of testing and checking.

Line training is not much different in theory to sim "training" but rather testing and a bunch of distracting questions throughout the flight that your brain is unable to concentrate on learning anything. When you finally get done with that frustrating process where sometimes you show up to your scheduled flight only to find out that you where scheduled on the wrong fleet of airplanes, and sometimes double booking of training crew is not uncommon. When you finish and start flying the line you actually are flying with a Captain that is worried about getting fired at every moment of the flight for any reason. So because everyone is on edge you end up pushing that auto pilot button as soon as you are legally able to, that is 400ft and you can think about disconnecting it shortly before touchdown and only then you become a taxi driver taxing the airplane to the gate. If you are lucky your stand is a short bus ride to the terminal where you have to catch another bus or van and risk your life to get to your car in a remote parking behind the healthy fast food restaurant. Otherwise you could be at the other end of the airport where after waiting for the cabin crew to clean and tidy the airplane for at least 20-30 minutes then your ride back could take another 20-30 minutes and you finally arrive home after navigating through the roads that is full of construction and work in progress and after trying to avoid getting killed by the crazy drivers with big SUVs. You arrive home nervous as hell almost ready to kill your self, only to realize report time with minimum rest will start agin and you go through the process again only this time with another nervous Captain.
Kids school is another long story, learn to beg for a slot for your kids in a school where education is mediocre to say the least, and where you have to pay a big chunk out of pocket to cover the rip off tuition cost. Teachers don't care if the kids learn because they are not here to make a difference but only to get the paycheck.
Frustration in every aspect of life. You accept a position of first officer with two strips inspite of ones difference in experience. Some will have little or no experience and but still start at the same level. To upgrade you must interview again and go through a process that is far more complicated and unjust than someone coming as DEC without even being typed in the A/C where they will be hired and you end up being an underpaid line instructor to the new Captain that is not only lost in the region but also in the aircraft.

If you are thinking about a job here think again and do your home work. After this experience I can say I am willing to go back to my country and work any job at least I know I will not lose my pride in the process.

Good luck to all of us....
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 09:16
  #6455 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: FL 340
Age: 50
Posts: 51

Welcome to the forum. You must work for EY or EK.
I cannot emphasize on what a useless and false post you just wrote.
Yes the recruitment process could be better i do agree, and it is frustrating.
Housing allowance won't always cover the cost, it can if you look at the right places, but otherwise you end up putting 1000-2000 QR out of your pockets, out of the pay which we wouldn't make close to back at our homes.

You are a idiot if you are going to the wrong classes. Been here for a while now, meet new joiners on a weekly basis and I've never heard that one.

If sim and line training feels like checking or testing, then either you just really don't know your shit, or the instructors are just put off by your attitude and don't like you. HMMMM why wouldn't they.

Yes usually people are scared for their jobs here, because of what they hear, and because of rumors, etc etc.
Sure QR is stricter than most companies with few things, but what the heck?
What could possibly go wrong by disconnecting at 2000 feet and hand flying if you're doing it right?
Even when you hand fly, if you do not fit the stabilization criteria, elect to go around and you will not hear from anyone.
Ive had my fair share of mess ups myself, either my own, or my FO's, and I wasn't called to the office.

I cannot comment on the schooling.
I just feel like guys like you will be unhappy everywhere.

See you around. NOT

Last edited by 330airbus; 27th Jul 2013 at 09:19.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 11:16
  #6456 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 108
The one thing I agree with in post #6573 is that before you decide to come here [this region] do your research, absolutely...

But please ensure your research is more wide ranging than exaggerated, secondhand, sorry-for-oneself drivel like that.

Some of those things may have happened to some people for sure, but to make out that it happens all the time is sensationalist, attention-seeking BS...

Most people I know here are happy... Just sayin'!

Continue to enjoy your 'perfect job'... Go on, let us know where it is! LMAO
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 11:37
  #6457 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: India
Age: 50
Posts: 3

It is the truth and the reality, but unfortunately guys sometimes don't want to see it because they are stuck. I don't assume anything I just collected info and posted it for the benefits of pilots. It will not change the opinion of pilots like you who have been there for a while....maybe you should be talking to some of the pilots that work there and ask them to tell you honestly if they are happy there or if they had the chance they would be out of there. Some do it because they lost their job elsewhere and had no other choice. But most would think twice about coming if they knew more about the overall environment of not only the company but also the country. I don't blame you because you must not have many options and for that you can take the bs and give up your pride....
To answer your post about housing if have a family and want to live in a somewhat decent place you will have to pay qr16000-18000. a person that arrives in a country thinking you could find housing for 10000 qr but finds out later that the 10000 is only good enough for a single guy living in a one bedroom furnished flat.
About people who are scared because of what they hear and the rumors, you are saying its only rumors...then why should they be scared after joining and flying if the rumors are not true. Who is the idiot here...
What could possibly go wrong.....that question should be directed to the pilots in your airline that are worried they could lose their job any minute. Elect to go around.....only if you have have enough fuel to be legal after the go around....
About the classes... I guess the people you talk with are having the time of their lives...no further comments.....
About schools you cannot comment because it's true...

Don't hate because someone finally dared to post something real....and don't call people names, it's just not nice....have a nice day...
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 11:50
  #6458 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: India
Age: 50
Posts: 3
I did not mention anywhere that it happens all the time, and if most people you know are happy, it's because the ones you don't know quit. Do you know or does the company tell you how many pilot quit every year? It will be nice to hear the answer to that....it is true that there is no perfect job but still it does change the facts....
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 14:34
  #6459 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Maybe its different for F/Os than direct entry captains. A friend of mine has been there close to two years. He did say the housing was as they promised him. The training schedule was adhered to pretty much with very little changes. The simulator and line training was a bit subjective rather than objective. But he made to the line. FOQA is a big part of the operation. The Uniform or Fashion police are abound. He was in the crew room when a manager came in to give a scare talk rather than a pep talk. So yeah there are good points and bad points. But at the end of the day, you keep your nose clean, play by their rule, get on with it, collect the pay check and move on after you amass a bit of a fortune.
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Old 27th Jul 2013, 19:34
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Earth
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TruthaboutQR, I will say it's your truth not the truth.
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