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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 23rd Feb 2013, 19:38
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Mr. R. N. was probably to worried His true colors would show if he were to take this new Apt. Test rather than being able to blame His numerous short comings on others! Rats run first when the ship is sinking...

If He does make the mistake of trying to swim to the closest (UAE) shore, Im sure plenty of X goaters will have their Rat Traps waiting...
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:14
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Aptitude Test

It was inevitable this would happen.
The previous selection process was way too easy, hence the reason a relative high number of incapable people got in causing the numerous delays we are all suffering from at the moment. Everyone got trough, have you guys heard of people failing the selection? Well ok, there are some, but is there any airline with such a high pass rate on the assesments as Qatar?! Someone finally saw this needed to change. From what I heard. Everyone will have to go through this aptitude test, especially those guys (like myself) that have waited for well over a year since the interview. Do I like it, No. Do i think its necessary from the airline's perspective? Absolutely!
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:35
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Boeing007, I agree with you. However, I already saw by myself a lot of incapable pilots pass throught this kind of tests while good ones fail. If that happens the problem will not be solved.
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:45
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@DaCosta

In return, I agree with you as well.
I hope they will do a comprehensive interview after the adept test to give people the chance to explain the outcome and comment on it. I also hope that this 'Simbiotic' is a respected company with a good record, something like the DLR and not just a new fix in the market.. Never heard of it...
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 21:11
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I think you will find these tests are "Stand Alone", and by that I mean if you fail, thats it move onto the next candidate. In theory there is no need to explain your answers as the test "proves", you are not suitable for airline employment.

Unfortunately I've seen many a good pilot miss out, while peoplewho have completed courses in these tests ( and have been terrible pilots ) have sailed straight through.
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 21:53
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looking at the case studies on the website, they aim to not only assess your aptitude, but also your compatibility with the airline. Which makes sense, so you may in fact have a high aptitude, but not fit the "profile" laid out by the airline, i.e you may indicate laziness in your profile etc , yet someone may have an average aptitude, but would be trainable and fit the specific airline profile.

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Old 24th Feb 2013, 07:55
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"The team will prepare a report after collecting all the data which will be passed to the airline who will make the final decision"
Hopefully this indicates that QR recruitment will use this report as a tool alongside there own assessment in order to make the final decision. Ie not standalone.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 08:12
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I have been told first hand that this apt test is not a 'pass-or fail' item. They will use it alongside their own selection process to make a 'more informed' decision. It will apply to ALL already in Qatari as well. I.e fleet transfers, upgrades etc.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 08:20
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Wow, so end of February you get an update telling you to do the aptitude test within the next 4 months. Thereafter youre on waitlist again for a year or more.

I am thrilled by the amount of official information I get. Not.
All this information is only from mouth propaganda again... Which is a good thing that some people post here, but very bad if you look at the company.

I can totally understand that airlines do testing like that, although the psychological side is day-to-day performance and often depends on the mood of the assessors and the profiles the assessment center is based on.

It is a good method to test wether one will have hard time during training or not.
So especially good for people that are not in aviation yet and didnt fly before.

For those who are already flying successfully since years (lets say even a good pilot) - you test them and the test is telling them: youre not that good with your selective visual memory capacity, or your cognitive-psychomotorics test was slighlty under average, whatever actually.
Does that make the (good) pilot a bad pilot because the test is telling them so?
NO.

Like said before, there are a lot of good pilots that failed the testings and a lot of bad pilots that have passed.

But now QR installs a new practice to get rid of the number of applicants without probably ever telling them why.
Similar like many european airlines use that method.
I have passed several selection centers and done all sorts of testing so far and this I can tell:
Most, not all, of these tests are there to reduce the huge amount of applications down to a flimsy reason.

In my opinion, there is nothing better than a good simulator screening + debriefing, as well as a board consisting of several pilots that worked for the company for years.

Theory can be retrained, as well as some flying skills (look at Swiss for instance. They make you "redo"/retest your complete ATPL subjects internally before they send you on the type rating + checkflights + company own MCC. But they provide you software and instructions to do so, its not a selection criteria)
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 18:26
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I'm sorry High Energy, I don't think an overworked H.R departmant that may have 200 applicants who have past the tests, and maybe 30 or 40 who have failed, will spend time sorting through those who have failed.

Especially when the pile of applicants is getting higher and higher.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 18:44
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I'm just conveying what I got told (not by HR) when I finished the assessment.

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Old 25th Feb 2013, 04:05
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@High Energy

What was this new 'assesment' like? Did you pass it, was it difficult?
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 06:09
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Thumbs up Re .Apt test.

Dear Friend..

QR selection program consist of 3 steps /Written exam /Panel interview and Sim check..\there is No Apt.Test up there...

Best Luck.
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Old 25th Feb 2013, 09:32
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true, but obviouly they have added another stage, or are close to implement one.
(which makes the old assessment less worthy, not to say worthless)

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Old 26th Feb 2013, 12:32
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date of joining a320

Hi this is the email i got today for the a320 non type direct entry f/o cheers

Dear xxx, We would like to confirm you, that we are currently not assigning Date of Joining to any First Officer A320, as we do not have training slots. The next available Date of joining is 11th August 2013, kindly confirm if this date is suitable for you.
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Old 26th Feb 2013, 14:14
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speedhold,

I think that's 'good' news. At least you have an idea as to when you will be able to join, finally. Let's just hope its not another mirage in the waiting time line.

How long ago did you receive offer of employment?/When was your interview?

Happy landings.
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Old 26th Feb 2013, 15:55
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timeline for DOJ a320

Quick timeline
Interviewed feb 2012 non type direct entry f/o
Offer two weeks later for the a 320
Contract signed returned may 2012. I Requested oct 2012 join date
Holly miles talent pool july 2012
November 2012 update saying update in jan 2013
Jan 2013 email stating next joining date nov 2013
I emailed fdtalent asking to clarify joining date for a320 as jan 2013 email very vague
Recieved email today that no classes for a 320 for now and then also told to confirm aug 11 2013

I dont havr any email address directly to HR .
The email I used was fdtalentqatatairways or [email protected]

I sent a reply to confirm 11 aug 2013 today and will wait to hear from them closer to time
Hopr this helps as quite a few people have pm me .
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Old 26th Feb 2013, 17:19
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congrats

congratulations Speedhold.

its great to see that they are calling people from the pool, even for August, even if they told me that i will join in December it will be nice because i will have a date and we can start planning our life ahead, this waiting listening rumors and with nothing sure is not a comfortable situation.

theres something im not sure... they told you no classes for A320 now but confirm August 11th, however they told you November... so maybe this means you are going A330.... sound a bit messy...
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Old 26th Feb 2013, 17:42
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Migair

I dont know what to think ...I just posted what has happened to me im just going with the flow
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 13:01
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salary at Qatar

Hi. Can anyone tell me how much a new joiner at qatar is making when u first arrive in doha first officer a320 ?? I have thr pay scale just wanna know what kind of base pay one gets .

Last edited by speedhold; 27th Feb 2013 at 13:05.
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