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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 23rd Feb 2013, 04:25
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The new aptitude testing is being run by a UK company called Symbiotics LTD and will apply to all new joiners, fleet transfers, command upgrades and poeple joining the training dept.

It seems to consist of an 'on line' personality question test (about 250 of them) followed by a non technical panel interview and then a computer based assessment.

The interview is about how you got into flying/general career questions followed by questions based around a senario that you will have been provided with at a prior date.

The computer based tests are, verbal reasoning, maths, sequence and shape recognition and finally a pseudo flight.

It all takes about 4 hours.

Thats all info that I have and it may not be entirely accurate as it is all so new.

PL
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 08:29
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Paper Lad what do you mean 'will apply to all new joiners' ? Does this apply also to all of us swimming in the pool? We will have to do this new assessment?
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 12:02
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Have heard that R.N. has resigned (again) from QR...
Rumor or
reality..?
As far as I know, reality......
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 12:38
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Who is R.N.??
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 14:00
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Maybe he is going to Abu Dhabi !
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 14:40
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Angry

Do these aptitude tests apply to experienced direct entry Captains?
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 15:26
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As I said, "that's all the info I have".

No idea whether it will apply to swimmers. Rumour suggests that if you have swum for a period of one year, then yes it will. Only a rumour though.

PL
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 16:38
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Aptitude test for fleet transfer?
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 17:10
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ADAPT (UK) Pilot Selection and Pilot Assessment


That's the website for symbiotics, heard of them a few years back, still no idea what they do or what the tests entail.
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 18:09
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ADAPT

Yes that agrees with the info I have been sent and yes it applies to new DEC applicants. I will let you know more about it after my assessment but suffice it to say there is a 50 page handbook explaining the aptitude tests- anybody that has been through the system prior to now thank your lucky stars!

Thanks for the replies

Just when you think you know how many hoops there are somebody finds another few to put in your path- smaller and higher than the others
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 19:34
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interesting concept...


http://www.symbioticsltd.com/images/...-%20Yellow.pdf
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 19:38
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Mr. R. N. was probably to worried His true colors would show if he were to take this new Apt. Test rather than being able to blame His numerous short comings on others! Rats run first when the ship is sinking...

If He does make the mistake of trying to swim to the closest (UAE) shore, Im sure plenty of X goaters will have their Rat Traps waiting...
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:14
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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Aptitude Test

It was inevitable this would happen.
The previous selection process was way too easy, hence the reason a relative high number of incapable people got in causing the numerous delays we are all suffering from at the moment. Everyone got trough, have you guys heard of people failing the selection? Well ok, there are some, but is there any airline with such a high pass rate on the assesments as Qatar?! Someone finally saw this needed to change. From what I heard. Everyone will have to go through this aptitude test, especially those guys (like myself) that have waited for well over a year since the interview. Do I like it, No. Do i think its necessary from the airline's perspective? Absolutely!
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:35
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Boeing007, I agree with you. However, I already saw by myself a lot of incapable pilots pass throught this kind of tests while good ones fail. If that happens the problem will not be solved.
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 20:45
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@DaCosta

In return, I agree with you as well.
I hope they will do a comprehensive interview after the adept test to give people the chance to explain the outcome and comment on it. I also hope that this 'Simbiotic' is a respected company with a good record, something like the DLR and not just a new fix in the market.. Never heard of it...
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 21:11
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I think you will find these tests are "Stand Alone", and by that I mean if you fail, thats it move onto the next candidate. In theory there is no need to explain your answers as the test "proves", you are not suitable for airline employment.

Unfortunately I've seen many a good pilot miss out, while peoplewho have completed courses in these tests ( and have been terrible pilots ) have sailed straight through.
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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 21:53
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looking at the case studies on the website, they aim to not only assess your aptitude, but also your compatibility with the airline. Which makes sense, so you may in fact have a high aptitude, but not fit the "profile" laid out by the airline, i.e you may indicate laziness in your profile etc , yet someone may have an average aptitude, but would be trainable and fit the specific airline profile.

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Old 24th Feb 2013, 07:55
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"The team will prepare a report after collecting all the data which will be passed to the airline who will make the final decision"
Hopefully this indicates that QR recruitment will use this report as a tool alongside there own assessment in order to make the final decision. Ie not standalone.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 08:12
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I have been told first hand that this apt test is not a 'pass-or fail' item. They will use it alongside their own selection process to make a 'more informed' decision. It will apply to ALL already in Qatari as well. I.e fleet transfers, upgrades etc.
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Old 24th Feb 2013, 08:20
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Wow, so end of February you get an update telling you to do the aptitude test within the next 4 months. Thereafter youre on waitlist again for a year or more.

I am thrilled by the amount of official information I get. Not.
All this information is only from mouth propaganda again... Which is a good thing that some people post here, but very bad if you look at the company.

I can totally understand that airlines do testing like that, although the psychological side is day-to-day performance and often depends on the mood of the assessors and the profiles the assessment center is based on.

It is a good method to test wether one will have hard time during training or not.
So especially good for people that are not in aviation yet and didnt fly before.

For those who are already flying successfully since years (lets say even a good pilot) - you test them and the test is telling them: youre not that good with your selective visual memory capacity, or your cognitive-psychomotorics test was slighlty under average, whatever actually.
Does that make the (good) pilot a bad pilot because the test is telling them so?
NO.

Like said before, there are a lot of good pilots that failed the testings and a lot of bad pilots that have passed.

But now QR installs a new practice to get rid of the number of applicants without probably ever telling them why.
Similar like many european airlines use that method.
I have passed several selection centers and done all sorts of testing so far and this I can tell:
Most, not all, of these tests are there to reduce the huge amount of applications down to a flimsy reason.

In my opinion, there is nothing better than a good simulator screening + debriefing, as well as a board consisting of several pilots that worked for the company for years.

Theory can be retrained, as well as some flying skills (look at Swiss for instance. They make you "redo"/retest your complete ATPL subjects internally before they send you on the type rating + checkflights + company own MCC. But they provide you software and instructions to do so, its not a selection criteria)
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