Aussie Businessmen On Trial for getting Drunk on Etihad Flight.
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Sinbad,
Could not agree with you more, the whole place is run on hypocrisy!
However, if you choose to live here, you unfortunately have to deal with it. This does NOT mean you have to LIKE it though.
If you cant deal with it, you are best off living elsewhere..
As for the a/c type in the incident. Yes, I assume it was a A345. Etihad really does need to do something about its Diamond class facilities.
Could not agree with you more, the whole place is run on hypocrisy!
However, if you choose to live here, you unfortunately have to deal with it. This does NOT mean you have to LIKE it though.
If you cant deal with it, you are best off living elsewhere..
As for the a/c type in the incident. Yes, I assume it was a A345. Etihad really does need to do something about its Diamond class facilities.
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The contradiction is in your handle, it maybe inadequate to name nationalities, I agree, but this is not Delta, or BA, or Air France; EY crew are treated differently according to who they spread their toes to!
Anything new? Or are you pretending that they are all virgins, maybe you need to chack the parking lot sometime to notice the number of high end cars owned by crew whose salary averages 7000Dhs.
Not only that, the lack of professionalism is draconian, bringing with them the know how ( or the lack thereof) from Gulf Air and imposing their modus operandi on this new airline, with little if no customer handling skills!
I think you need to take a trip to DXB or DOH to see what customer skills are.
As someone rightly said earlier in one of these threads, this will not work in EY"s favour, as a matter of fact it is the biggest PR blunder an airline has faced in this part of the world. The airplanes are meidocre, the staff worse and if a passenger complains we throw them in jail.....Yea right! next!
Anything new? Or are you pretending that they are all virgins, maybe you need to chack the parking lot sometime to notice the number of high end cars owned by crew whose salary averages 7000Dhs.
Not only that, the lack of professionalism is draconian, bringing with them the know how ( or the lack thereof) from Gulf Air and imposing their modus operandi on this new airline, with little if no customer handling skills!
I think you need to take a trip to DXB or DOH to see what customer skills are.
As someone rightly said earlier in one of these threads, this will not work in EY"s favour, as a matter of fact it is the biggest PR blunder an airline has faced in this part of the world. The airplanes are meidocre, the staff worse and if a passenger complains we throw them in jail.....Yea right! next!
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What a bunch of predicable moronic responses!
Why don't you guys just for one minute, actually assume that the charges brought against these tw@ts are genuine!
One of my best mates was one of the crew on this A345 flight from SYD, and actually had first hand experience of these characters.
Fact: They were so p1ssed they could hardly stand
Fact: They were rude swaring and disruptive
Fact: They intentionally ignored the lawful requests of the crew (ie didn't sit down when the seat belt signs were on)
Fact: One of the tossers presented his 'manhood' to the purser when she bent down to pick up some crap they'd strewn accross the floor.
Fact: 2 independant other 1st class passengers offered to give evidence against thes 'men'.
Fact: They used threatening behavior and language towards the crew when they were (eventually) denied any more alcohol.
Fact: They were given 2 warnings from the Capt. to moderate their behaviour and stop drinking which were ignored!
So lets just take 1 or 2 of these items in isolation. Any operator in the world would have had them arrested, and any authority/police force in any country in the world would have prosecuted them.
If you even look at an American FA in the wrong tone of voice, you will be bundled off the A/C by the Feds.
So don't give me all this crap about "oh, this is typical of the bloody Arabs, picking on us poor Westerners, those guys didn't do anything wrong!". Get your facts straight!
When I heard the full story the day after it happened from the horses mouth, I imediately knew (and hoped) these arseholes would be locked up for a very long time........BUT low and behold this very same Arab country that the Aussie press has been slagging off will be releasing these scum to inflict their vile behaviour on other undeserving people (maybe it'll be your wife/sister/daughter that will get a full frontal view of a drunk mans willy in their face next time)
Phew, rant over!
Why don't you guys just for one minute, actually assume that the charges brought against these tw@ts are genuine!
One of my best mates was one of the crew on this A345 flight from SYD, and actually had first hand experience of these characters.
Fact: They were so p1ssed they could hardly stand
Fact: They were rude swaring and disruptive
Fact: They intentionally ignored the lawful requests of the crew (ie didn't sit down when the seat belt signs were on)
Fact: One of the tossers presented his 'manhood' to the purser when she bent down to pick up some crap they'd strewn accross the floor.
Fact: 2 independant other 1st class passengers offered to give evidence against thes 'men'.
Fact: They used threatening behavior and language towards the crew when they were (eventually) denied any more alcohol.
Fact: They were given 2 warnings from the Capt. to moderate their behaviour and stop drinking which were ignored!
So lets just take 1 or 2 of these items in isolation. Any operator in the world would have had them arrested, and any authority/police force in any country in the world would have prosecuted them.
If you even look at an American FA in the wrong tone of voice, you will be bundled off the A/C by the Feds.
So don't give me all this crap about "oh, this is typical of the bloody Arabs, picking on us poor Westerners, those guys didn't do anything wrong!". Get your facts straight!
When I heard the full story the day after it happened from the horses mouth, I imediately knew (and hoped) these arseholes would be locked up for a very long time........BUT low and behold this very same Arab country that the Aussie press has been slagging off will be releasing these scum to inflict their vile behaviour on other undeserving people (maybe it'll be your wife/sister/daughter that will get a full frontal view of a drunk mans willy in their face next time)
Phew, rant over!
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Ok just to clear a few things up. Oasis of the River, read my posts again, as I never said EY locked these people up. In fact I never said anything bad about EY, I just said that in the West rather than calling the police, in most of these cases airlines offload the passengers and ban them from flying again with the carrier. The reason I see this as bad PR for the airline is the charging of the men for drinking without a license, which will scare a lot of people off flying with this carrier. And I find this whole argument that the government did this not the airline as laughable. I mean come on do you actually live in the UAE, do you really think that the government and Etihad Airways are mutually exclusive entities 
Oblaaspop just a point about your post. They were told by the captain twice to stop drinking which they ignored???? Sorry mate sounds like crap to me. If people are drunk then you stop serving them, you take the alcohol off them, you don't just ask nicely for them to stop drinking, twice, and keep serving them booze. Maybe you should tell your close friend that next time the incident could have been handled differently
I said earlier that if they acted in the way they were supposed to have, then throw the book at them for their behaviour, but not just for drinking. But while the justice system is punishing people for exposing themselves, maybe they could do a better job of punishing their own for gang rape and wife beating and murder.
P.S Interesting to note that the leading English newspaper here in the UAE, the Gulf News hasn't touched this story. So much for a free press.
Oblaaspop just a point about your post. They were told by the captain twice to stop drinking which they ignored???? Sorry mate sounds like crap to me. If people are drunk then you stop serving them, you take the alcohol off them, you don't just ask nicely for them to stop drinking, twice, and keep serving them booze. Maybe you should tell your close friend that next time the incident could have been handled differently
I said earlier that if they acted in the way they were supposed to have, then throw the book at them for their behaviour, but not just for drinking. But while the justice system is punishing people for exposing themselves, maybe they could do a better job of punishing their own for gang rape and wife beating and murder.
P.S Interesting to note that the leading English newspaper here in the UAE, the Gulf News hasn't touched this story. So much for a free press.
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These drunken bums (I don't care where they got the booze from) are getting far too much attention.
Please would one of you say "Please close this thread" and I'll comply with popular demand.
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oblassspop,
Great try at showing us you know more about the issue.
No one is supportive of any such behaviour, I am however of the opinion that the crew are also on-board to prevent this from happening.
How you ask? Simply by acting professional and not puerile as they often do on board EY, shocked by this passenger asking for another drink and the way he is chatting her up like she has never seen it before, but her male cousin's just happened to be bigger and thicker!
But I will even go further, by sayiing that is it the attitude of the crew that will often genrate such behaviour, and if the management does not realise it or cannot control it, you will be in for more events such as this one and worse as well.
Let us not loose focus, this is a service industry and crew are there to provide a service, first and foremost in terms of safety, to avoid the black hole but second and just as important to create that atmosphere of serenity that tells the passenger that he/she is flying in a hospitable atmosphere where they can relax.
The passengers in this case were probably so irrate by the nonchalence of the crew that they actually kept drinking for the sake of getting on with it, and the crew just as irrate probably swore to make the passengers pay for their attitude, what they forgot is that this is not abu dhabi, but an international airline and no one would know these little princesses from eve, all they want is service.
Now keep giving us the morality of who did this and who did what, the bottom line is that if the crew were confident and professional this would have not taken place.
It takes foresight to run an airline, not a silver s class and a little weener!
Cheers!
Great try at showing us you know more about the issue.
No one is supportive of any such behaviour, I am however of the opinion that the crew are also on-board to prevent this from happening.
How you ask? Simply by acting professional and not puerile as they often do on board EY, shocked by this passenger asking for another drink and the way he is chatting her up like she has never seen it before, but her male cousin's just happened to be bigger and thicker!
But I will even go further, by sayiing that is it the attitude of the crew that will often genrate such behaviour, and if the management does not realise it or cannot control it, you will be in for more events such as this one and worse as well.
Let us not loose focus, this is a service industry and crew are there to provide a service, first and foremost in terms of safety, to avoid the black hole but second and just as important to create that atmosphere of serenity that tells the passenger that he/she is flying in a hospitable atmosphere where they can relax.
The passengers in this case were probably so irrate by the nonchalence of the crew that they actually kept drinking for the sake of getting on with it, and the crew just as irrate probably swore to make the passengers pay for their attitude, what they forgot is that this is not abu dhabi, but an international airline and no one would know these little princesses from eve, all they want is service.
Now keep giving us the morality of who did this and who did what, the bottom line is that if the crew were confident and professional this would have not taken place.
It takes foresight to run an airline, not a silver s class and a little weener!
Cheers!
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Sorry ASA...but in the "west" they would be charged with interfering witha flight crew in the performance of duties, indecent exposure and the list goes on and on...they need to spend more time in the hoosegow IMHO...pls close the thread 4hp...seems appropriate
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Sir Osis of the river,
Firstly I have to say I like your title very much, I thought that was very clever. Secondly I totally agree with you "If you choose to live here you have to live with it" Thirdly I also agree with you "If you cannot deal with it you better lives elsewhere" and that's why I left this place.
As for EY, "it really does need to do something about its Diamond class facilities", Well I could not agree more. I know the problem very well.
Oblaaspop vbmenu_register("postmenu_3331130", true); ;
I am glad someone finally came forward and shed some real facts onto the matter. When I read your post I almost puked. Those Di..
..k Hea....ds are very lucky to have the punshment of deportation only. In fact they are very lucky they were not on board BA or an American airline. They will for sure end up in jail with criminal convictions on thier record.
I think it is about time airlines should come to realty and accept the fact that ALCHOHOL and flying do not mix. It is actually medically proven that is more harmful especially in a pressurised cabin. Aircraft is not a bar for drinking. Airlines managed to stop passengers smoking during flights, surly they could do somthing about drinking. QANTAS took the lead in smoking and I hope it will again with at least limiting the amount of alcohol served on board the aircraft.
Firstly I have to say I like your title very much, I thought that was very clever. Secondly I totally agree with you "If you choose to live here you have to live with it" Thirdly I also agree with you "If you cannot deal with it you better lives elsewhere" and that's why I left this place.
As for EY, "it really does need to do something about its Diamond class facilities", Well I could not agree more. I know the problem very well.
Oblaaspop vbmenu_register("postmenu_3331130", true); ;
I am glad someone finally came forward and shed some real facts onto the matter. When I read your post I almost puked. Those Di..
..k Hea....ds are very lucky to have the punshment of deportation only. In fact they are very lucky they were not on board BA or an American airline. They will for sure end up in jail with criminal convictions on thier record. I think it is about time airlines should come to realty and accept the fact that ALCHOHOL and flying do not mix. It is actually medically proven that is more harmful especially in a pressurised cabin. Aircraft is not a bar for drinking. Airlines managed to stop passengers smoking during flights, surly they could do somthing about drinking. QANTAS took the lead in smoking and I hope it will again with at least limiting the amount of alcohol served on board the aircraft.
