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Old 24th May 2007, 20:16
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Thanks B.S. for all the infos
I think nowadays everywhere the "rosters" are very tough and u have to deal with it, this is the job we choose... (sorry for my previous spelling but that day I had a wake up duty at 0400).

Can u explain this ?
You may see the odd day flight on your roster, but 90% of those available are preselected by the training department. When will the training slow down? Never.
You mean there is a lot of training in the airline and the shifts are differents for the trainees ?
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Old 26th May 2007, 03:07
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A 320 fly 90h

CEO on meeting stated that A 320 will fly more with new destinations and increased freq to one we fly naw.
After that he removed overtime ,cheated with words ( service in airline was reaplaced to year of entry in grade) so many senior pilots got nothing !
Naw we can fly 900 h and no overtime will be given . So its time for good old sick leave and not answering rosters calls !
Option N 2 is Etihad and sooner better till somthing happened over here !
TERMINATION is alwes after Capt ass !
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Old 26th May 2007, 09:16
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With your english skills the termination is eminent or imminent
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Old 26th May 2007, 10:00
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Arrow

Hurray!!!!! we got some action in QR Kindergarten. Interesting observation: Has anybody noticed how many people participate on pprune from QR and how many from EK. What a huge difference, isn't it? Is that good or bad?
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Old 26th May 2007, 10:30
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Fair enough popay,


but c'mon, this guy's english is of such a low level somebody had to react to it....

What we need in qatar:

1) Language testing for new joiners. Seriously! Some of these new south american gringos we fly with lately even have problems just giving a take off brief in English...Imagine what it would be like in an emergency situation..

2) Psycho and Psychomotorical testing. Too many big egos flying around here. Would you call it normal if a guy demands his wife and kids to call him Captain, even when at home???Or what about all these FOs who have an email adress that starts with [email protected]culous and a clear sign of a personality disorder if you ask me!




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Old 26th May 2007, 12:01
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Education

Gnadirs:

Of course there is a flight deck communication problem caused by the language barrier, in fact I think the remark should be spread to other parts of the world, not only the "south american gringos". Tell you what, let's take it all the way back to also involve the cabin crew.

Pilots having family call them captain at home, that is just crazy. The previous and almost unreadable post, another joke (it has to be), I think some people are just answering popay's cry for entertainment.

I agree with you, we need pilots that have not only flying skills, but social and communication skills. I hate throwing stones and making remarks, cause what goes around comes around.

So, regarding your post, be aware that any proffessional may see your first point as a racial issue, and that in any psycho testing (that you say we all should have) will throw a red flag. Sorry, but as you were right about the english language problem being a safety concern, others will say that you are also a potential threat.

I am assuming that English is your first language, as you can tell, it isnt mine. I just find it amusing that first you complain about others lack of knowledge, lack of skill and lack of brains....but then, unless it is a joke (cause there is no way it is a typo), you bash nationalities, think an email aDress is funny and find something rEdiculous.

But, let's not divert, communication barrier.... yes, huge problem, I am part of it. Some people just dont have a clue.... yes, previous post (unless it was to satisfy popay) is a clear example of what can happen with an uncontrolled expansion.

Take care and I hope popay didnt get bored with this one.
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Old 26th May 2007, 16:07
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Oh my god......!!!!
You got me there....I have written a typo....how bad is that!
At least you got the message now didnt you!

Address....ridiculous....

I can find some typos in your post to if you want me to but hey....lets not start kindergarten all over again ok?

And for your info....English is NOT my first language nor is it my second one...
My friend, I did not bash nationalities, that is why on purpose I refrained from targetting any nationalities specifically! I could if I would want to....

All I was saying that we have a huge influx of spanish/portugese speaking pilots at the moment and a huge percentage of them do not know how to speak proper English! And that, in an airline with 60 nationalities, could pose a huge danger!
So nothing to do with nationalities but language skills!
Some years ago most French people where not accepted here because they had a too strong accent.....Is that racism? No, its a clear fact that you need to be able to verbally comunicate both inside as well as outside the flight deck!

Recently an instructor had to tell his two trainees in the sim that, if necessary, they should comunicate in Spanish with eachother because they where lost in english. That is really BAD if you ask me! Up to you to guess where both pilots where from......

Relax mate....and have a Caipirinha....I will have one right now!
( the word Gringo was used as a joke, just like Yanks are yanks, Tommys are tommys, froggs are froggs...no offense ment)

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Old 26th May 2007, 16:42
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You fink you all very crever wif rong engrish words. Wun day you all have learn Chinese. You all fink that for awhrile.
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Old 26th May 2007, 16:56
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More than right

Of course I got your point, not only that, I agreed with it. In fact, let me add to it; I invite you to open the book in one of your flights and have your partner read it. Please let me know how many times interpretation is an issue.

And back to the subject of tolerance, "gringo" is a word that may be insulting to certain individuals. If you know the word, chances are that you know it can also be insulting. You mentioned 60 nationalities, whe have to find the best way to communicate and be able to avoid conflict. Now, you are also entitled to an opinion and the public has to deal with it.

Enough of that, I think I am borderline b.s.....any news on how things are going on at JNB lately? after all, isn't this pprune?
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Old 26th May 2007, 17:04
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tiltgain, hi there. Thanks a lot for the entertaining post. It finally starts to get a bit intellectual here. Gnadirs, thanks mate you read my mind. A 16 PF is the absolute minimum QR MUST do ab initio, if they are serious about the quality. It takes max 30 min to complete it and it's pretty accurate. English knowledge is simply out of question it's a must. Absolutely 100% right decision to launch the 16 pf test for the command upgrade provided it's not abused for political reasons. We have enough creepy crap from the old "good" times bull****ting around, thinking everyone around them is too damn stupid to understand it. I totally agree that GF boys would be a big plus for QR. It's a standard everywhere else in the world to have a personal profiling, but not here yet.
It's by the way part of annual medical for the military pilots and those guys are way ahead.
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Old 26th May 2007, 18:07
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Good idea, but....

A high percentage of the current workforce would probably be diagnosed as nutbags to be kept well clear of complex machinary.

The recruitment motto is "Any able Body and Every Able Body We Accept". Do you want to destroy one of the only carrots in the QR recruitment bag?

Improve all the working conditions first; then and only then, can you can raise the entry bar whilst the wheels turn.
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Old 26th May 2007, 19:46
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To Plutos: The Roster Question

Sorry, but to reply to question asked I will diverge from current stream.

Due to expansion and replacement the A320 fleet will always be a training fleet. Humans never learn much between 10pm and 6am so the bulk of the choice day flights go to the training department. Fair enough. But as a line pilot, you will have to build your life around horrid duties.

The bottom line is that there is no need for it. There are other options where the 8 hour two sector night duties are changed into a sequence of early and late finishes with overnights in-between. Sleeeep is important, that is after all why we have the red lines of Flight and Duty Time Limitations.

Past 4 years, the issue has been raised three times, with three different Chief Pilots. Instead of fixing the problem this type of duty has increased from one to six.

If you come here, "you are here to work", and that's a regular management quote.

I actually work only to fulfill my plans and the dreams of my family.

That idea is a foreign concept to most QR employees, but think carefully about your overall life plan before you come here.
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Old 27th May 2007, 21:54
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QR Medical

One could shed some light over QR Medical for new joiners, please?
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Old 28th May 2007, 05:42
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Regarding the end of service benefit(wich may concern a lot people), just hope they are still taking into consideration the date of joining the company and note the date of entry for your latest grade or upgrade..!!

Anybody who is well informed knowns if(and when) they gone pay our due overtime for the period 2006-2007, or if they gone steal it....

Fullforward,
QR medical...not very tough....
Only one "big" check when you join the company(X-ray,blood test,ECG, eyes,ears ckeck...) then one "small" check every year...
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Old 28th May 2007, 06:49
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Question for any imminent Mathematician:

What is the benefit of the new basic salary here (i mean for people who are flying a lot for the company), if there is no overtime payment anymore (wich used to represent 1 MONTH FULL salary if you are close to 900 hours!!), answereanuts...

Once again Q.A. has failed to demonstate his capacity to motivate people to stay here(as money is the only motivation here)... and his will to continue to recruit only desperated people...!
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Old 28th May 2007, 12:44
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salamalikum2, hi there. How do you know there's no overtime any more? Maybe I've missed something but I haven't seen any memo or so. You might be right just asking? Another thing why don't you try and make an sample calculation for us to show what you mean?
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Old 28th May 2007, 16:45
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Hello Popay, oh i donīt known, me too... i havenīt seen anything, (thatīs why i said "if"...), but some people who seems more informed... ,came here and pretend that there will be no overtime payment anymore...So..where did they got the information...?? As we say "there is no smoke without fire".
Wait and see...
But for sure for this year, i didnīt received yet any overtime payment..
But if my memory is still ok, last year we received it mid June,so..hope still exists..!
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Old 30th May 2007, 11:41
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THX for the info
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Old 31st May 2007, 09:28
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A couple of Qatar questions if anyone would be so kind as to help me out :

I have 1000 A320 and 4000 TT, what sort of hours requirement do you need as a new joiner FO to go straight onto the A330? If you do go on the A320 when might you expect to get the bigger 'bus?

Also, I've pretty much read everything there is to read on PPRUNE about the new pay deal and think I understand it 99% but I have to ask, am I definitely right that there's no pension / end of service gratuity at QR? Seems to be a big shortcoming compared to EK if that's the case. How are you guys saving for your retirements?
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Old 31st May 2007, 19:47
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15% inflation

Can anybody with knowledge in economics tell me how is the reported 15% inflation in first quarter expected to behave for the rest of the year? Real effect on relative and absolute values when talking about salary.

News also reported that rent won't come down for at least 2 years, how can we account for that? How will you people cope?

I guess any info will also be good for the aspiring new joiners.
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