QR Payrise or just rice...
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new qr payrise
i have been in qatar airwyas for 4 y ,salary has raised about 3 times in another way am getting now twice what i have started with .
upgrade is going good since 3y fo are now flying as capt .
a new rise is in the way confrmd by ceo in a meeting with crew.
i love qatar airways and no body is forced to join so if you dont like it leave it
upgrade is going good since 3y fo are now flying as capt .
a new rise is in the way confrmd by ceo in a meeting with crew.
i love qatar airways and no body is forced to join so if you dont like it leave it
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From your above reports the only interesting note from the meeting seems to be that an angry little man has learnt some manners and improved his interpersonal skills.
That I am confident was a for 'One Night Only' show.
That I am confident was a for 'One Night Only' show.
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Chivas Regal,
NO....you should not ask tyo be employed on another fleet! It shows the wrong attitude. They emplyed you on the 320 because you have NO previous widebody experience and you know it.
Do your time, be a good boy and you will be on another fleet within 18 months time.
The engine question....You asked us that when in Doha and we explained it to you then as well!
Just a little advise if you want to come here....dont give out too much info about yourself. Not too many guys are joining these days with your qualifications from your part of the world....Just by posting them I know exactly who you are and if I know, management will know as well as they are searching these forums with GREAT intrest!
NO....you should not ask tyo be employed on another fleet! It shows the wrong attitude. They emplyed you on the 320 because you have NO previous widebody experience and you know it.
Do your time, be a good boy and you will be on another fleet within 18 months time.
The engine question....You asked us that when in Doha and we explained it to you then as well!
Just a little advise if you want to come here....dont give out too much info about yourself. Not too many guys are joining these days with your qualifications from your part of the world....Just by posting them I know exactly who you are and if I know, management will know as well as they are searching these forums with GREAT intrest!
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Well to be honest on A330 flying is alot and we end up doing average of 85 hours per month. At times i have crossed 90+ hours.
so you can imagine due to this the salary difference is about 4000 - 5000 riyals, on A320 in fact in past few months flying is 50 - 60 hours. As the CEO said that flights will be increasing on A320 soon.so hope for the best.
F/O Basic from 15500 to 18500........... 3% increase after 1 yr
Housing Allowance from 6500 to 10000
Utilities Allowance 300 is the same
Furnishing Allowance 700 is finished and now lumpsum amount of 50000 riyals is given to new joiner and less than 5 years of service will get the amount on pro rata basis.
e.g if 3 years then they will not get 50000 but it will be less than that, HR will give the details. My assumption is that its 5000 less for every year.
With more than 5 years of service will get 25000.
Transport Allowance from 600 to 1500
Flying Allowance 90 riyals per hour.(90 * 50 is 4500 average)
So with 50 hours of flying its 34800 riyals equivalent to 9600 USD.
and 50000 riyals one time now. (13700 USD)
My Caculation, the increase is 6700 Riyals (1850 USD)
Captain
Basic is now 26500 (dont know the % increase every year
Housing Allowance 12000
Flying Allowance 120 riyals per hour
Rest Remain the same as above i.e Utility, Furnishing and Transport Allowance
So with 50 hours of flying 46300 equivalent to 12700 USD
For Captain i think the increase is 11200 Riyals (3080 USD)
Please correct me if i have given any wrong figures. This is the maximum i can remember.
For people with Company Accommodation, They will not get the Housing, Furnishing, Utility Allowances.
Cheers
so you can imagine due to this the salary difference is about 4000 - 5000 riyals, on A320 in fact in past few months flying is 50 - 60 hours. As the CEO said that flights will be increasing on A320 soon.so hope for the best.
F/O Basic from 15500 to 18500........... 3% increase after 1 yr
Housing Allowance from 6500 to 10000
Utilities Allowance 300 is the same
Furnishing Allowance 700 is finished and now lumpsum amount of 50000 riyals is given to new joiner and less than 5 years of service will get the amount on pro rata basis.
e.g if 3 years then they will not get 50000 but it will be less than that, HR will give the details. My assumption is that its 5000 less for every year.
With more than 5 years of service will get 25000.
Transport Allowance from 600 to 1500
Flying Allowance 90 riyals per hour.(90 * 50 is 4500 average)
So with 50 hours of flying its 34800 riyals equivalent to 9600 USD.
and 50000 riyals one time now. (13700 USD)
My Caculation, the increase is 6700 Riyals (1850 USD)
Captain
Basic is now 26500 (dont know the % increase every year
Housing Allowance 12000
Flying Allowance 120 riyals per hour
Rest Remain the same as above i.e Utility, Furnishing and Transport Allowance
So with 50 hours of flying 46300 equivalent to 12700 USD
For Captain i think the increase is 11200 Riyals (3080 USD)
Please correct me if i have given any wrong figures. This is the maximum i can remember.
For people with Company Accommodation, They will not get the Housing, Furnishing, Utility Allowances.
Cheers
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Fkuing Rice!!!
Just check Etihad's basic
F/O 24500!!!
Capt 33000!!!
flying 65 hours @ 40 AED/hr F/O
50 AED/hr Capt
2600 AED
3250 AED
plus housing 9500 AED or RENT TO BUY A VILLA!!!
TTL F/O 36600 AED
Capt 47750 AED
Q/A
18500 (6000 QR difference)!!!!!
26500 (6500 QR difference)!!!!!
flying 65 hours @ 90 QR/hr
5850 QR
7800 QR
plus 12000/10000
TTL F/O 34350
Capt 46300
BUT YOU HAVE TO FLY 65 HOURS AT LEAST PER MONTH!!!
and lets face it .... QUALITY OF LIVING!!!!!
doha is not the friendliest place for expats!!
and JOB STABILITY....!!!!
NO AAB!!!!!!!!!
if you get a company provided accomodation you don't get the 50000 for furniture, (or 25000 for the senior guys who have been taking all the crap from management for who knows how many years)
Ok maybe WE have loss of licence insurance... but have you ACTUALLY read what it covers?????
EVERYTHING IS A PRE_EXISTING condition!!!
Screw that
and still NO retirement...
and good luck trying to decent accomodation for 12000/10000 !!
etihad... EVERYBODY gets a villa ... Q/A.. only captn. F/O's with families are second class citizens??
RENT TO BUY!!! says everything... not giving away your money to some greedy bastard. have you added up how much money you have paid in rent for the last couple of years??? DO IT ...
not really a good package...
F/O 24500!!!
Capt 33000!!!
flying 65 hours @ 40 AED/hr F/O
50 AED/hr Capt
2600 AED
3250 AED
plus housing 9500 AED or RENT TO BUY A VILLA!!!
TTL F/O 36600 AED
Capt 47750 AED
Q/A
18500 (6000 QR difference)!!!!!
26500 (6500 QR difference)!!!!!
flying 65 hours @ 90 QR/hr
5850 QR
7800 QR
plus 12000/10000
TTL F/O 34350
Capt 46300
BUT YOU HAVE TO FLY 65 HOURS AT LEAST PER MONTH!!!
and lets face it .... QUALITY OF LIVING!!!!!
doha is not the friendliest place for expats!!
and JOB STABILITY....!!!!
NO AAB!!!!!!!!!
if you get a company provided accomodation you don't get the 50000 for furniture, (or 25000 for the senior guys who have been taking all the crap from management for who knows how many years)
Ok maybe WE have loss of licence insurance... but have you ACTUALLY read what it covers?????
EVERYTHING IS A PRE_EXISTING condition!!!
Screw that
and still NO retirement...
and good luck trying to decent accomodation for 12000/10000 !!
etihad... EVERYBODY gets a villa ... Q/A.. only captn. F/O's with families are second class citizens??
RENT TO BUY!!! says everything... not giving away your money to some greedy bastard. have you added up how much money you have paid in rent for the last couple of years??? DO IT ...
not really a good package...
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Hi
Just a question regarding the flying allowance, do you get what you fly or do you get a fixed amount per month, for example, do you get every month a fixed Qr120 x 70:00?
If taking company provided accommodation, is it furnished and does it have good standards (I mean all the amenities like AC, monthly paid utilities, etc)?
Thanks a lot for your time.
Happy landings
Just a question regarding the flying allowance, do you get what you fly or do you get a fixed amount per month, for example, do you get every month a fixed Qr120 x 70:00?
If taking company provided accommodation, is it furnished and does it have good standards (I mean all the amenities like AC, monthly paid utilities, etc)?
Thanks a lot for your time.
Happy landings
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You only get what you fly so the month you dont fly you do not get anything...... Let me explain you how it works............
Company calculate the flying allowance from 15th to 14th of next month, e.g you flew in April the whole month and went on leave in May and flew again in June.
Now your salary for the month of May will have the flying allowance of 15th March to 14th April and salary of June will have the flying allowance of 15th April to 14th May and so on. So basically it does not affect the salary much even when you are on leave.
Yes the company accommodations are fully furnished with all the amenities i.e AC, Fridge, Electric Oven, Furniture and all utilities paid. But remember the utility allowance is only 300 so if the electricity and water bill is more they will deduct it from the salary.Electricity and water comes under one deptt and its not expensive and so is the telephone.Local calls are fixed so they deduct 65 riyals monthly regardless of the calls and if you have an ADSL then extra of 200 riyals and international calls are reasonable now and charge as per the usage. People generally use SKYPE or Other VOiP programs for international calls.
Company calculate the flying allowance from 15th to 14th of next month, e.g you flew in April the whole month and went on leave in May and flew again in June.
Now your salary for the month of May will have the flying allowance of 15th March to 14th April and salary of June will have the flying allowance of 15th April to 14th May and so on. So basically it does not affect the salary much even when you are on leave.
Yes the company accommodations are fully furnished with all the amenities i.e AC, Fridge, Electric Oven, Furniture and all utilities paid. But remember the utility allowance is only 300 so if the electricity and water bill is more they will deduct it from the salary.Electricity and water comes under one deptt and its not expensive and so is the telephone.Local calls are fixed so they deduct 65 riyals monthly regardless of the calls and if you have an ADSL then extra of 200 riyals and international calls are reasonable now and charge as per the usage. People generally use SKYPE or Other VOiP programs for international calls.
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Dear togaluck, you have not mention the transport allowance and remind you there is no pick and drop for the deck crew in Etihad and Airport drive from the city is about 30 - 40 minutes with no traffic.
The Rent to Buy house purchase program is not that company will give you the villa in exchange of your Housing Allowance. Its a simple calculation the housing Allowance in Etihad is 115000 dirhams per year so if they bind you for 10 years then it will be 1150000 (1.15 million dirhams) Now please do a search in Abu Dhabi and find me a 2 bed room apartment for 1.15 million, the current market price in AUH is not less than 2.5 million dirhams, i dont think EY is stupid enough to lose 1 million dirhams
You also forgot to mention that EY is offering 3 options for Housing and that is either
1 - Take an allowance of 115000 dirham per year (9583 dirhams per month), please i would be grateful if you could find me a villa or an apartment 2 bedroom for 9600 and make sure they have car parking facility too.The whole AUH is having a problem in finding a parking spot. People park there car along the road and sometime they have to park it 2 -3 blocks away from their residence
2 - Company Provided housing depending on the availability, so it means the company is having problems with accommodation and in Etihad majority of pilots including captains are living in an apartment so this is not correct that everybody is getting a Villa and what does this mean that Housing depending on the availability???? and at the same time they are offering a 3 option that is
3 - Rent to Buy housing purchase Program. I dont have any information how it will work but definitely with the bank. So far Etihad Airways does not have his own accommodation and they are planning to build it at the Khalifa City so that is a very long process.
Nobody is saying to give your money to greedy bastard, invest money in the Pearl Qatar and get a 2 bed room apartment, Its a very good investment and Qatar is a booming market and Investment Gurus from all around the world are investig here and they claim that Middle East Hub will be no longer Dubai and Doha will take it over, so be patient and watch.
Qatar AIrways is just 10 years old and is growing rapidly and everyone agrees on that.
I do not agree that its not a friendly place for Expats, my family is very happy here, I think local people are nice and they dont bother the expats, it all depends how you behave with them. I know lot of expats from UK living here for last 20 years and they have never complained that its not a friendly place.They have seen lot of changes, and i am here for past 2 years i have so far did not have any probelms, I am not saying its a perfect place but at the same time you have not experienced Dubai or AUH. You must have gone for few days and thats it if you have to live there then you will come to know. Dubai and Abu Dhabi are very expensive arab states, yes i agree there is lot of things to do in Dubai but you have to wait when you will have everything in Doha.
Job Stability is nowhere in the Gulf so stop living in a dream world thinking that the Jobs are confirmed there.
AND AT THE END PLEASE WHY ARE YOU STAYING HERE IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY, JUST GO AND START WORKING FOR OTHER AIRLINES. BELIEVE ME PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN QATAR AIRWAYS.
CHEERS
The Rent to Buy house purchase program is not that company will give you the villa in exchange of your Housing Allowance. Its a simple calculation the housing Allowance in Etihad is 115000 dirhams per year so if they bind you for 10 years then it will be 1150000 (1.15 million dirhams) Now please do a search in Abu Dhabi and find me a 2 bed room apartment for 1.15 million, the current market price in AUH is not less than 2.5 million dirhams, i dont think EY is stupid enough to lose 1 million dirhams
You also forgot to mention that EY is offering 3 options for Housing and that is either
1 - Take an allowance of 115000 dirham per year (9583 dirhams per month), please i would be grateful if you could find me a villa or an apartment 2 bedroom for 9600 and make sure they have car parking facility too.The whole AUH is having a problem in finding a parking spot. People park there car along the road and sometime they have to park it 2 -3 blocks away from their residence
2 - Company Provided housing depending on the availability, so it means the company is having problems with accommodation and in Etihad majority of pilots including captains are living in an apartment so this is not correct that everybody is getting a Villa and what does this mean that Housing depending on the availability???? and at the same time they are offering a 3 option that is
3 - Rent to Buy housing purchase Program. I dont have any information how it will work but definitely with the bank. So far Etihad Airways does not have his own accommodation and they are planning to build it at the Khalifa City so that is a very long process.
Nobody is saying to give your money to greedy bastard, invest money in the Pearl Qatar and get a 2 bed room apartment, Its a very good investment and Qatar is a booming market and Investment Gurus from all around the world are investig here and they claim that Middle East Hub will be no longer Dubai and Doha will take it over, so be patient and watch.
Qatar AIrways is just 10 years old and is growing rapidly and everyone agrees on that.
I do not agree that its not a friendly place for Expats, my family is very happy here, I think local people are nice and they dont bother the expats, it all depends how you behave with them. I know lot of expats from UK living here for last 20 years and they have never complained that its not a friendly place.They have seen lot of changes, and i am here for past 2 years i have so far did not have any probelms, I am not saying its a perfect place but at the same time you have not experienced Dubai or AUH. You must have gone for few days and thats it if you have to live there then you will come to know. Dubai and Abu Dhabi are very expensive arab states, yes i agree there is lot of things to do in Dubai but you have to wait when you will have everything in Doha.
Job Stability is nowhere in the Gulf so stop living in a dream world thinking that the Jobs are confirmed there.
AND AT THE END PLEASE WHY ARE YOU STAYING HERE IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY, JUST GO AND START WORKING FOR OTHER AIRLINES. BELIEVE ME PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN QATAR AIRWAYS.
CHEERS
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togaluck
you expect a fully furnished company provided accomodation AND a 50000 riyal company furniture allowance
why dont you p**s off home and whinge there instead
you expect a fully furnished company provided accomodation AND a 50000 riyal company furniture allowance
why dont you p**s off home and whinge there instead
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The last two posts are proof that there really are some wierd people out there. I have also heard of people who eat cochroaches and dogs and believe that AhmedGingerKebab of Iran is Jesus.
Each of us must choose his own path.....
A330-300, do you really believe that Doha will one day be a world class city? I find this most comical. The rubble, potholes and rubbish totally obscure this vision from me. I honestly dont believe that the 'artists impressions' you have viewed will ever be accurately realized. There is little planning here and most action is uncordinated. After two years Airport Road is still not finished.... all they did was lay a sewer pipe.
Cavelino Ramparte, I pray you remain here until the day you retire. No-one deserves it more than you.
Cheers
Each of us must choose his own path.....
A330-300, do you really believe that Doha will one day be a world class city? I find this most comical. The rubble, potholes and rubbish totally obscure this vision from me. I honestly dont believe that the 'artists impressions' you have viewed will ever be accurately realized. There is little planning here and most action is uncordinated. After two years Airport Road is still not finished.... all they did was lay a sewer pipe.
Cavelino Ramparte, I pray you remain here until the day you retire. No-one deserves it more than you.
Cheers
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Off topic, I know. But since some of you guys are A346 drivers, I thought you may be interested.
I guess QR will only allow slim passengers to be accomodated in F and J from now on???????????
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1624119.ece
I guess QR will only allow slim passengers to be accomodated in F and J from now on???????????
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle1624119.ece
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A matter of CHOICE
Togaluck,
All yr details are VERY very Imformative.
However I am confused if u knew this things why u r still with QA?
You must choose wat do u thing is right for u..
That would be better rather than keep comparing and complaining.
Just to clarify Am not against you but this a friendly advice.
Thank and Best Regards.
Piper 606
All yr details are VERY very Imformative.
However I am confused if u knew this things why u r still with QA?
You must choose wat do u thing is right for u..
That would be better rather than keep comparing and complaining.
Just to clarify Am not against you but this a friendly advice.
Thank and Best Regards.
Piper 606
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A340-300,
I agree with you on most of your points.
However, I have to strongly disagree with you regarding your views about the real estate situation.
No serious investment guru is saying that Doha will be taking over from Dubai! What they are saying is that the whole middle east real estate market is a bubble witing to burst! Its an artificialy inflated over estimated real estate market, designed to give even more wealth to the few rich sjeikhs around!
One golden rule in the middle east! The local rich men will only give you something ( or allow you to invest) at the moment where they are 100% sure no more money can be made by them!
This happend in the DSM, it is happening in real estate as well!
Proof! Just read the newspapers....they are almost begging people now to buy real estate while 2 years ago the buyers had to beg! Nowadays...no more down payments etc...
On top of that, you dont have to be a wizzard to see that there is a total over-offer here in Doha! Compounds are empty, buildings remain unfinished/unsold!
Prices are still high because the greedy bastards made arrangements amongst themselves NOT to lower the prices and, as we all know, they dont really need the money anyway!
And dont forget the fact that the whole market is constructed as a money laundring scheme...
Even the less lucky Qatari people are extremely unhappy with this situation but unfortunatele this situation is dictated by the happy few! Yes, they are present even here!
Ill tell you something, I have been here many years and as long as I dont see people, who have been here 4 times longer than I have and who defenitely have the means to buy, are not buying I do not think its time to buy for normal people like ourselves!
Dont fool yourself. If you bought your 2 bedroom appt for 1.6 million QR today, nobody is going to offer you 3,2 million in 5 years as was predicted by the sales boys!
For that money you buy an appartment in New York or Hong Kong....and I know where I would buy than...
Wake up and smell the roses!
I agree with you on most of your points.
However, I have to strongly disagree with you regarding your views about the real estate situation.
No serious investment guru is saying that Doha will be taking over from Dubai! What they are saying is that the whole middle east real estate market is a bubble witing to burst! Its an artificialy inflated over estimated real estate market, designed to give even more wealth to the few rich sjeikhs around!
One golden rule in the middle east! The local rich men will only give you something ( or allow you to invest) at the moment where they are 100% sure no more money can be made by them!
This happend in the DSM, it is happening in real estate as well!
Proof! Just read the newspapers....they are almost begging people now to buy real estate while 2 years ago the buyers had to beg! Nowadays...no more down payments etc...
On top of that, you dont have to be a wizzard to see that there is a total over-offer here in Doha! Compounds are empty, buildings remain unfinished/unsold!
Prices are still high because the greedy bastards made arrangements amongst themselves NOT to lower the prices and, as we all know, they dont really need the money anyway!
And dont forget the fact that the whole market is constructed as a money laundring scheme...
Even the less lucky Qatari people are extremely unhappy with this situation but unfortunatele this situation is dictated by the happy few! Yes, they are present even here!
Ill tell you something, I have been here many years and as long as I dont see people, who have been here 4 times longer than I have and who defenitely have the means to buy, are not buying I do not think its time to buy for normal people like ourselves!
Dont fool yourself. If you bought your 2 bedroom appt for 1.6 million QR today, nobody is going to offer you 3,2 million in 5 years as was predicted by the sales boys!
For that money you buy an appartment in New York or Hong Kong....and I know where I would buy than...
Wake up and smell the roses!
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Whether you like it here or you don't; whether you're leaving or staying; would you please stop conning yourselves into believing this is a GOOD PACKAGE!
Put simply, the payrise is approximately QR 3,000 + 900 for the car for both FO's and captains. B.. F...... D...!
Put simply, the payrise is approximately QR 3,000 + 900 for the car for both FO's and captains. B.. F...... D...!
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Dear Mr. Knotaloud,
I met QR Human Resourced Manager:
As a captain with more than 5 years in the airline, my basic is up from 24,000 to 30,000 QR
My housing allowance went from 6500, to 12,000 QR
transportation is up from 400 to 1500
After all this (almost 12,500 QR increase), you want to tell me that the salary increase, is only 3900 QR ?
Please think before you write.
I met QR Human Resourced Manager:
As a captain with more than 5 years in the airline, my basic is up from 24,000 to 30,000 QR
My housing allowance went from 6500, to 12,000 QR
transportation is up from 400 to 1500
After all this (almost 12,500 QR increase), you want to tell me that the salary increase, is only 3900 QR ?
Please think before you write.
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NA,
Please don't confuse the increase in the housing allowance with an increase in Salary. 12000Qr is the minimum required for a decent accomodation in Doha and it doesn't make up for the last two years where I have been subsidising the rent out of my own pocket. Plus most of the pilots joining nowadays are taking the company provided accomodation so they wont even see this allowance.
The real increase, as Knotaloud said, is 3000Qr + 900Qr. In the case of those of us who have been here more than five years its 6000Qr + 900. Thats it. I'm glad you are happy about it but honestly as a five year+ captain I'm not too exited that I am making only 3000Qr more than a new joiner. Especially since said new joiner gets a 50000Qr furniture gift and I only get 25000Qr.
It is also worth mentioning that at the meeting the CEO was happy to announce that we have the highest hourly flight pay compared to Emirates and Etihad. Frankly I would rather have a higher Basic and less flight pay. With the current system when we are on leave/training/sick we make less than our collegues across the water. The much advertised 6 point something per cent we are getting more than emirates only works if you fly at least 70 hours a month. So what about the 320 guys?
As a matter of fact this new package seems to be designed to penalise the high seniority pilots: A ten year captain makes the same as a five year one. Or even worse, a F/O who has been with the company more than five years and has just been promoted to captain gets the same basic salary as a direct entry captain. Actually the new captain will make more because he gets 25000Qr more as a furniture gift. Nice!
Please don't confuse the increase in the housing allowance with an increase in Salary. 12000Qr is the minimum required for a decent accomodation in Doha and it doesn't make up for the last two years where I have been subsidising the rent out of my own pocket. Plus most of the pilots joining nowadays are taking the company provided accomodation so they wont even see this allowance.
The real increase, as Knotaloud said, is 3000Qr + 900Qr. In the case of those of us who have been here more than five years its 6000Qr + 900. Thats it. I'm glad you are happy about it but honestly as a five year+ captain I'm not too exited that I am making only 3000Qr more than a new joiner. Especially since said new joiner gets a 50000Qr furniture gift and I only get 25000Qr.
It is also worth mentioning that at the meeting the CEO was happy to announce that we have the highest hourly flight pay compared to Emirates and Etihad. Frankly I would rather have a higher Basic and less flight pay. With the current system when we are on leave/training/sick we make less than our collegues across the water. The much advertised 6 point something per cent we are getting more than emirates only works if you fly at least 70 hours a month. So what about the 320 guys?
As a matter of fact this new package seems to be designed to penalise the high seniority pilots: A ten year captain makes the same as a five year one. Or even worse, a F/O who has been with the company more than five years and has just been promoted to captain gets the same basic salary as a direct entry captain. Actually the new captain will make more because he gets 25000Qr more as a furniture gift. Nice!
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