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If you read to post correctly, there was no scare tactic involved. I would say however that the other post would address that issue more than me. However as disappointing as it maybe to you, I totally agree with them. And believe me I am not trying to scare you to JOIN Etihad. Quite the opposite.
The only way we are going to fly together is if you join the other boys up the road. Im not saying its perfect, but having a Pension Scheme, Loss of Licence protection, transport to / from work, Currency exchange rate protection, descent housing, descent medical and yearly bonuses made my mind up on which one to choose.
I thought we were being screwed, but after talking to my mates down the road in EY, there is no comparison to which one is better deal!
Maybe you should think just that little bit harder. Good luck to you whatever you choose!
I am, however, disappointed by your negativity trying to scare people like me to come and join etihad.
The only way we are going to fly together is if you join the other boys up the road. Im not saying its perfect, but having a Pension Scheme, Loss of Licence protection, transport to / from work, Currency exchange rate protection, descent housing, descent medical and yearly bonuses made my mind up on which one to choose.
I thought we were being screwed, but after talking to my mates down the road in EY, there is no comparison to which one is better deal!
Maybe you should think just that little bit harder. Good luck to you whatever you choose!
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Csek, I guess we can never tell which way is good for one, and which way is bad for the others. Either way, I respect whatever decision you may have made, just as I hope you will respect mine. This is the path I have chosen, and I am happy with it. I take it that you're with EK, so my apologies for thinking that you're with EY.
And once again, I am not from management, and nobody coerced me in any way to choose EY. I guess there is nothing wrong for anybody to hope for a better career for himself and a good future for his family.
Chill out, bro, and goodluck to you.
And once again, I am not from management, and nobody coerced me in any way to choose EY. I guess there is nothing wrong for anybody to hope for a better career for himself and a good future for his family.
Chill out, bro, and goodluck to you.
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Too late for me... I just completed my interviews and got the job in Etihad! Guess I'm just going to have to take the payrise.. even before I start!
Seriously though, for those of us looking to move from wherever we are to improve our lot, this sure changes what is available. I have read that Abu Dhabi plans to invest a lot of money (Billions) into developing it's infrastruture, so that does give some security to the job in Etihad.
Anyway, one very happy chappy on his way to start with you soon.
Seriously though, for those of us looking to move from wherever we are to improve our lot, this sure changes what is available. I have read that Abu Dhabi plans to invest a lot of money (Billions) into developing it's infrastruture, so that does give some security to the job in Etihad.
Anyway, one very happy chappy on his way to start with you soon.
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Tips for Abu-Dhabi
For those Bus and Boeing drivers wishes to join EY and planning to live in AUH below is few tips;
Always look after Number one because Number 2 and 3 will be automatically taken care of. Stick to your Guns when you negotiate your package ( they need you more than you need them), those German and
Aussies are tough fellows they want to have the cake and eat it too, you do the hard work and they take the credit.
at the end of the day NO one will force you to make any decision you do not want to make.
Always look after Number one because Number 2 and 3 will be automatically taken care of. Stick to your Guns when you negotiate your package ( they need you more than you need them), those German and
Aussies are tough fellows they want to have the cake and eat it too, you do the hard work and they take the credit.
at the end of the day NO one will force you to make any decision you do not want to make.
- The airport is 35 KM from the centre of AUH- strait drive.avoid the locals and Taxi drivers they are lunatics. Accidents are usually fatal.
- Driving licence conversion to AUH driving licence is quite easy.
- to get a loan from a bank to buy a car and register it usually take 3 days and off you go. you can get a loan approved over the counter for 250,000 Derhim, That's right, no typing error!!.
- Do not stick your finger at other drivers like me when they do something stupid or un civilised in a road rage, because you will go to jail first for two days then they will ask you what happened. No matter what you did, you go to jail first.
- The speed camera at the airport road have thresh hold of 160 KM before they go off. I do not think it works but it looks good, But not in Dubai.
- The airport is Average to fair, Ops and briefing crew room is very small and when you pass the hallway on your way to EY OCC you will suffocate. The smoke from the cabin crew smoking in the hallway is very bad.
- Most pilots are very pleasant, some I found the urge to thump, quite over whelming. Nationality of pilot ranging from English, Swiss, German, Norway, Malaysian, one from Zimbabwe (very nice man), one from Belgium, very few local pilots, very few Indian and sierlankan pilots.
- The Cabin crew most of them are inexperience, Most of the time they argue about whose more senior, even though the difference is few months in seniority between them.It keeps them busy.
- Children schooling are going up by quite a lot this year . It pays you to investigate your self.I am lucky I do not have the little devils.
- Out door activity in the summer is NIL-NO GO ( Very bloody hot), in winter (between Nov to Feb) is quite nice. Do not try to be adventures and go for a run by the beach in the summer unless you are near crowd of people, this is so they can pick you up when you collapse and take you to the hospital to re-hydrate you. The only places you can visit in the summer in AUH is the Mall and the Mall and the Mall.
- Do not believe people (specially management) when they tell you it is cheap here and no taxes to pay. Check the supermarkets prices and other product and you will see the prices for reasonable quality product are the same prices as in Europe. Petrol is the only cheap thing in AUH by comparison to Europe.
- Housing is very expensive and do not let any one tell you otherwise. I read some of you thinking about renting a Villas...some of you are very funny!!!. As an alternative place some pilots lives in Jabal Ali (50 minutes drive from AUH Airport).
- Most of the flight on EY specially the nights departure is usually around 2 am, this is usually for the Asian and European sectors.currently and (not sure if it is still the same as few months back) approx 12 flights during the day.The rest are in the evening.
- The fleet is mostly new A330, A340-300,500,600 and on B767.
- The food is GREAT.
- Finally the summer is coming and I am glad I am not in AUH.OH I almost forgot, DO not get caught drink and driving, In fact do not get bloody drunk at all.
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New pay package is good for the FOs, since they are trying to attract more....Captains on A330 will probably end up with a small increase as mentioned above but, 777 and especially 767 drivers (Captains) will probably end up loosing. 777 now have no European destinations and as such low meal allowances while the 767 guys have only turn arounds. BIG CUT!!
Housing is great if you can fit in a 3 Br flat but, if you have 3 or more kids you still have to pay out of your pocket as Etihad does not seem to care about people who have LARGER families.
It is a good place to be but it varies from person to person based on family size, seat and fleet as to how good/bad your package is.
Medical is also poor. Too many exclusions and pre approvals required.
Loss of licence is back on the drawing board after being almost a done deal with the previous management.
WHAT NEXT?
THE SAGA CONTINUES.
Housing is great if you can fit in a 3 Br flat but, if you have 3 or more kids you still have to pay out of your pocket as Etihad does not seem to care about people who have LARGER families.
It is a good place to be but it varies from person to person based on family size, seat and fleet as to how good/bad your package is.
Medical is also poor. Too many exclusions and pre approvals required.
Loss of licence is back on the drawing board after being almost a done deal with the previous management.
WHAT NEXT?
THE SAGA CONTINUES.
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Fellas now you had to bite the dust. It's a never ending story. Me is last corner I'd ever go again. Those Bedouins have all the money in the world bu t don't they don't you to live a live. You're a slave, a simple driver with the difference that their drivers sleep under the stairs and you in the 3 bed room apartment. Anyone still seeking the job in ME is nuts. Let them hire all the cheap fellas from the third world. Stay out of that mess.
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The New Math
I have just done the math comparing last years salary to the new pay scale.
When adding up all of last years pay stubs I made 427 500 aed. On the New scale calculating in the base pay and hours I flew it would come to 433 399 AED. A raise of 5899 AED or 1.3% per year not the stated 7.7% from management.
Also we are no longer paid for ground training, standby or medicals. So for an extra 1.3% they get an extra 40 or so days of work for free per year.
You cant count per diem as a raise. Per diem is to pay my meals when away from home, not my mortgage or pension plan.
Aparently this is "comparable to the best of those offered by our regional competitors and major international airlies".
When adding up all of last years pay stubs I made 427 500 aed. On the New scale calculating in the base pay and hours I flew it would come to 433 399 AED. A raise of 5899 AED or 1.3% per year not the stated 7.7% from management.
Also we are no longer paid for ground training, standby or medicals. So for an extra 1.3% they get an extra 40 or so days of work for free per year.
You cant count per diem as a raise. Per diem is to pay my meals when away from home, not my mortgage or pension plan.
Aparently this is "comparable to the best of those offered by our regional competitors and major international airlies".
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Flying Daggers;
"Those Bedouins have all the money in the world but t don't they don't you to live a live. You're a slave"
I have to disagree with you on that one Flying Daggers, The Airline purely managed by the European Bedouins i.e The German, The British, The Australian, Believe me they the one setting up the rules and regulation and how much you should get paid or not, and not to mention the Asian-Indian. I do not know if you really Know the Board structure for EY Airline and the Maintenance side of it. I assure you 99% of them are European. However I do agree with you on the way they treat their drivers, servant etc. The ME especially in that part of the world is not a place to live in but to make money and get out ( if you manage to make money that is).This is why In my previous post I mentioned the place is not cheap to live in!!!! It is however great place to live in for the Asian or the Philippine people, especially when you look at the standard and the cost of living they come from. Also most European do not take the Cra..
..P like they do, Why???? because they do not have the same choice as us who lives in Europe or else where, where there is Union to fight for your right or a law to protect you and your family. When you in that part of the region forget your right or union. do not mention it otherwise they think you are joking
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As long as all the Gulf airlines continue to have applications that satisfy their recruitment standards, they will not change a bit of their contracts. The may make adjustments to make more linear, but that will be it.
Recruitment standards may not correspond to QUALITY standards, but this problem (and the problem definitely exist) is up to the respective Civil Aviation (Civ Airs) authorities to ensure safe standards are always applied and checked. If the latter is inefficient, these airlines will be heading for big trouble sooner rather than later. Nothing new here. Every airline must and ought to have a safe flying platform.
Unfortunately, senior management is more concerned about FY results rather than ensuring safety standards are rigorously enforced.
Apologies for going off track and with no disrespect to those capable guys without a previous chance to fly in the Gulf majors and willing to do so, the point here is: Airlines will either offer more to attract experienced (and company tested/screened) staff or they will have to slow down their expansion plans to get their "house in order" before a major incident/accident happens. Pretending everything is OK will be counter-productive, very irresponsible and will lead to a major disaster, financial too.
Respective Civ Airs are equally irresponsible and must not/ought not to be indifferent to these ever evolving events. Unfortunately, the aviation world (among other worlds) is full of irresponsible managements, and mankind generally needs and effective "policing" tool to ensure very basic and uncompromising standards are never overruled by irresponsible people.
Again, apologies for going off track from the second paragraph onwards but I found the topic somehow related and relevant.
Recruitment standards may not correspond to QUALITY standards, but this problem (and the problem definitely exist) is up to the respective Civil Aviation (Civ Airs) authorities to ensure safe standards are always applied and checked. If the latter is inefficient, these airlines will be heading for big trouble sooner rather than later. Nothing new here. Every airline must and ought to have a safe flying platform.
Unfortunately, senior management is more concerned about FY results rather than ensuring safety standards are rigorously enforced.
Apologies for going off track and with no disrespect to those capable guys without a previous chance to fly in the Gulf majors and willing to do so, the point here is: Airlines will either offer more to attract experienced (and company tested/screened) staff or they will have to slow down their expansion plans to get their "house in order" before a major incident/accident happens. Pretending everything is OK will be counter-productive, very irresponsible and will lead to a major disaster, financial too.
Respective Civ Airs are equally irresponsible and must not/ought not to be indifferent to these ever evolving events. Unfortunately, the aviation world (among other worlds) is full of irresponsible managements, and mankind generally needs and effective "policing" tool to ensure very basic and uncompromising standards are never overruled by irresponsible people.
Again, apologies for going off track from the second paragraph onwards but I found the topic somehow related and relevant.
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You are right on track
fractional;
You are right on the track, The problem now these days no body seems to care about standard any more or safety for that matter. The sad things about the Airline or the aviation industry they always come back and trying to rectify the problem when the Sh....
...t hit the fan. I do not know what they expect " if you pay peanuts you get Monkies"
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The New Math
I have just done the math comparing last years salary to the new pay scale.
When adding up all of last years pay stubs I made 427 500 aed. On the New scale calculating in the base pay and hours I flew it would come to 433 399 AED. A raise of 5899 AED or 1.3% per year not the stated 7.7% from management.
Also we are no longer paid for ground training, standby or medicals. So for an extra 1.3% they get an extra 40 or so days of work for free per year.
They count per diem as a pay raise.You can not count per diem as a raise. Per diem is to pay my meals when away from home, not to my mortgage or pension plan. If they think you are pocketing meal allowances they will cut them.Therefore not a raise.
Aparently this is "comparable to the best of those offered by our regional competitors and major international airlies".
When adding up all of last years pay stubs I made 427 500 aed. On the New scale calculating in the base pay and hours I flew it would come to 433 399 AED. A raise of 5899 AED or 1.3% per year not the stated 7.7% from management.
Also we are no longer paid for ground training, standby or medicals. So for an extra 1.3% they get an extra 40 or so days of work for free per year.
They count per diem as a pay raise.You can not count per diem as a raise. Per diem is to pay my meals when away from home, not to my mortgage or pension plan. If they think you are pocketing meal allowances they will cut them.Therefore not a raise.
Aparently this is "comparable to the best of those offered by our regional competitors and major international airlies".
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dont forget one thing
Your calculations are just about what I see. Also if you have already have some of your holiday, then you have been penalized, as the major improvment was that you did not lose so much when you went on leave.
This was very clever of management. Wait until April and then implement it. I imagine most people already had some leave. Also the 767 guys had all of Feb off and forced to take some leave time while the a/c was on ground. Good news is next year when there 1.8 percent pay rise comes they can make it back.
One other point is that EY has no protection for currency shifts, like EK does. The Durhams is based directly on the US dollar. So not only is inflation here hurting you greatly, but the dollar is very weak.
The overall philosophy seems to be give them the least possible and hope people don't leave and alway say more is in your future.
EY housing is one of the lowest in Abu Dhabi, making it very difficult to afford anything than company appartment, some are okay
Overall with only 700dhms payrise a year in contract, there is very little future at Etihad. With the dollar sinking and inflation so much it is only a matter of time till it will cost you money to work here, which is a management dream.
This was very clever of management. Wait until April and then implement it. I imagine most people already had some leave. Also the 767 guys had all of Feb off and forced to take some leave time while the a/c was on ground. Good news is next year when there 1.8 percent pay rise comes they can make it back.
One other point is that EY has no protection for currency shifts, like EK does. The Durhams is based directly on the US dollar. So not only is inflation here hurting you greatly, but the dollar is very weak.
The overall philosophy seems to be give them the least possible and hope people don't leave and alway say more is in your future.
EY housing is one of the lowest in Abu Dhabi, making it very difficult to afford anything than company appartment, some are okay
Overall with only 700dhms payrise a year in contract, there is very little future at Etihad. With the dollar sinking and inflation so much it is only a matter of time till it will cost you money to work here, which is a management dream.
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Gentlemen, I would have to agree with the both of you 100%.
A good friend once told told me that, in the UAE you are just a well paid labourer (if that!!!). We have exactly the same rights and those poor guys on the building sites. the only difference is the place where we work.
You're a slave, a simple driver with the difference that their drivers sleep under the stairs and you in the 3 bed room apartment.
However I do agree with you on the way they treat their drivers, servant etc
A good friend once told told me that, in the UAE you are just a well paid labourer (if that!!!). We have exactly the same rights and those poor guys on the building sites. the only difference is the place where we work.
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Yes it is crap and very few will be better off.....on the 777 we will certainly be worse off
All the hype leading upto this package was BS, they obviously think we are stupid
Time to start looking around
All the hype leading upto this package was BS, they obviously think we are stupid
Time to start looking around
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Compared to GF that's a pretty good package for an F/O..almost 1000 BHD more a month that our base....could always be worse. Seems that Captains didn't get as good as a deal, but from what i can see it's competitive at least.
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wow !!
Amazing !! Simply Amazing !! This place is too good to be true, quite the mirror image of EK, So now we see people threatening to leave. I wonder what the ratio of peple bitching will be as to how many people will actually leave will, only time will tell.......................
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Well, I've seen :
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche 911
BMW 5 series
Mercedes 'E'
VW Tuaoreg
Volvo XC90
Nissan Murano
BMW B3 Alpina
BMW M3
Mercedes 'S'
Audi A6
and many many more ltypes of uxury cars driven by Etihad pilots.
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche 911
BMW 5 series
Mercedes 'E'
VW Tuaoreg
Volvo XC90
Nissan Murano
BMW B3 Alpina
BMW M3
Mercedes 'S'
Audi A6
and many many more ltypes of uxury cars driven by Etihad pilots.