Well Done EK Flight Ops. Management! (Morphed to the V/S thread)
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Well Done EK Flight Ops. Management! (Morphed to the V/S thread)
I shared some drinks with one of the recruitment officers last week, and she inofrmed me that as of January, EK has run out of suitable pilot applicants on file! So a hearty well done to Idle Redhead, TCAS and Mister Ed, you have successfully managed your way into a crisis through ignorance and inaction.
Let's see how you rationalise your way out of this one.
Let's see how you rationalise your way out of this one.
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Well a reduction in experience to maintain a recruitment quota fills me with confidence!! If this fails to gain the expected results what will be the next ploy in the cunning plan (assuming a plan exists). Following some of the comments made in similar threads regarding the massif expansion that some of the ME airlines are committed to and the seemingly lack of a suitable infrastructure to support this expansion and the attitude of local Airworthiness Authorities to not want to rock the boat, I expect the ultimate result will sadly be a predicable one.
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There is no problem There is no crisis!
1000 hours pilots in the right seat. DECs in the left! Halas....
The wet dream where "they" run out of pilots and come crying with bags of money is not going to happen...sorry...wake up! There is always some glider pilot from Ulan Bator ( no disrespect intented) who would love to come.
Remember the concept is proven, we fly around with cadets in the right seat.
1000 hours pilots in the right seat. DECs in the left! Halas....
The wet dream where "they" run out of pilots and come crying with bags of money is not going to happen...sorry...wake up! There is always some glider pilot from Ulan Bator ( no disrespect intented) who would love to come.
Remember the concept is proven, we fly around with cadets in the right seat.
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Quite right, only what does a glider from Ulan Bator knows about CRM and Team work, obviously a major issue with EK recruitment !
EK is not interested in getting quality, they are interested in getting quantity and SILENT quantity, people who listen and nod around all day long on the flight deck and in the office, hailing the other guy's "good point" even if inexistent, questioning a decision or action is obviously a big no no with EK as they have proven it many times so far.
Keep up the good recruitment work EK
EK is not interested in getting quality, they are interested in getting quantity and SILENT quantity, people who listen and nod around all day long on the flight deck and in the office, hailing the other guy's "good point" even if inexistent, questioning a decision or action is obviously a big no no with EK as they have proven it many times so far.
Keep up the good recruitment work EK
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No problem. We'll just have more pilots capable of draggin in a ek plane at 2000ft, at 30 miles with flaps1, 12° nose up and 160kts. But they memorised and perpetuately resing the perfect 10 minute oz-brief 1 hour before landing and therfore pass any dumb ppc without complaint.
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We fly around with cadets in the right seat.
I would like to just get some clarification re the cadet pilot in the right hand seat.
Experience indicates that most emerging airlines have a young blood program; this generally is structured to allow company sponsored cadets who have completed basic training (CPL & IR and Type Rating) to gain experience and hours, flying revenue flights under the guidance and supervision of qualified TRI’s initially, then LTC’s and after satisfactory competence testing and a suitable number of hours experience being released to fly with aircraft commanders. I would expect that a similar procedure exists with EK.
Back in the good old days I remember that they flew as second officers and acted as the third member of the flight deck crew, thus ensuring the correct balanced level of experience available.
The use of these extremely low hour pilots to fill a right hand seat without suitable checks and balances seems to me to be rather inappropriate, clarification please.
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Experience indicates that most emerging airlines have a young blood program; this generally is structured to allow company sponsored cadets who have completed basic training (CPL & IR and Type Rating) to gain experience and hours, flying revenue flights under the guidance and supervision of qualified TRI’s initially, then LTC’s and after satisfactory competence testing and a suitable number of hours experience being released to fly with aircraft commanders. I would expect that a similar procedure exists with EK.
Back in the good old days I remember that they flew as second officers and acted as the third member of the flight deck crew, thus ensuring the correct balanced level of experience available.
The use of these extremely low hour pilots to fill a right hand seat without suitable checks and balances seems to me to be rather inappropriate, clarification please.
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No problem. We'll just have more pilots capable of draggin in a ek plane at 2000ft, at 30 miles with flaps1, 12° nose up and 160kts. But they memorised and perpetuately resing the perfect 10 minute oz-brief 1 hour before landing and therfore pass any dumb ppc without complaint.
"mc donalds - i'm lovin' it".
"mc donalds - i'm lovin' it".
Good one....the long anticated briefing. After the first 10 sec all you hear is Blah Blah Blah. By the way I like my ND clean...no green circles around DXB...its VFR and I can see where I am going + it doesn't say we need to put green circles anywhere in the SOP's...must be an old OZ thing that stuck...and hey there is only one way to get to RWY 12 and one way to get to RWY 30...I don't want to hear you brief it...its not a big airport...it's home base...and "standard route" is fine for a briefing....oh and don't TELL me to tell you that I should say "I have finished programming the FMC" ...you can ask me if you want ie. "you done with the box"...CRM is also a visual thing....if I am sitting there picking my arse...I haven't decided to take a break from programing....I am obviously done and you saw me.
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Too right Charlie
Its all about economics.The pilot pool is getting smaller but EK's conditions arent competitive enough.Take a look at what they are paying pilots in India now!!!
If they want quality they need to pay the bucks.
Its that simple.
Its all about economics.The pilot pool is getting smaller but EK's conditions arent competitive enough.Take a look at what they are paying pilots in India now!!!
If they want quality they need to pay the bucks.
Its that simple.
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Do you want the "long brief" or the "short brief" - ie "Dubai's over there.." or "Dubai"
Works for me..... Keep the LOOOOOOONNNNGGGG Oz briefings DownUnder please chaps....
Works for me..... Keep the LOOOOOOONNNNGGGG Oz briefings DownUnder please chaps....
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And then there's the payrise 
You didn't hear it here first because it's in other forums but...
10%+ in January is the current rumour
(in addition to any rise in April)
Might get a few more people to look but I don't think the flood of
applications will be startling
You didn't hear it here first because it's in other forums but...
10%+ in January is the current rumour
(in addition to any rise in April)
Might get a few more people to look but I don't think the flood of
applications will be startling
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Although the problem is not simply the number of hours flown but more the combination of short haul/long haul duties with no sensible rest structure in place, this partly due to the shortfall in crews.
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CRM an issue in EK? Naah, just stick a few incorrect slides onto Pelesys every 6 months for the PPC refresher and job done. 
Come on guys, that's got to be better than having to sit in a classroom for a whole day and actually discuss it. We might actually learn something that way and knowledge is a dangerous thing! After all, much has already been learnt from several EK 'incidents'.
Come on guys, that's got to be better than having to sit in a classroom for a whole day and actually discuss it. We might actually learn something that way and knowledge is a dangerous thing! After all, much has already been learnt from several EK 'incidents'.
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if you read one of my earlier statements on speeds, you'd see what i think of flying below GD.
(By the way, how low is VLS F1 on a 330 with 160t? I don't know, i admit, but it shouldn't be too far away from 160.)
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low hours
Well, Asiana sticks 800 hour f/o's in the right seat of their 330's straight from their ab initio schools, haven't heard one of theirs buy the farm yet, maybe that is the trend worldwide??
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Good one....the long anticated briefing. After the first 10 sec all you hear is Blah Blah Blah. By the way I like my ND clean...no green circles around DXB...its VFR and I can see where I am going + it doesn't say we need to put green circles anywhere in the SOP's...must be an old OZ thing that stuck...and hey there is only one way to get to RWY 12 and one way to get to RWY 30...I don't want to hear you brief it...its not a big airport...it's home base...and "standard route" is fine for a briefing....oh and don't TELL me to tell you that I should say "I have finished programming the FMC" ...you can ask me if you want ie. "you done with the box"...CRM is also a visual thing....if I am sitting there picking my arse...I haven't decided to take a break from programing....I am obviously done and you saw me.