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Also rumour has it, 20 A320 guys put in their resignations. And this is all during a global economic recession. Can you immagine when the market picks up again. Nice to have the 320 type as there are jobs now almost on all 7 continents. Oh well the've been warned. Then again what do we know, we are just jet drivers..........
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I have flewn twice and I already know of 3 320 guys resigning.
as you say before the next pilot shortage arrives which should be in 2 years according to flightglobal and should last like no other before.
we just have to hope that EY management is aware of that and is anticipating it.....
as you say before the next pilot shortage arrives which should be in 2 years according to flightglobal and should last like no other before.
we just have to hope that EY management is aware of that and is anticipating it.....
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I doubt about any anticipation from EYs side . Rest assured it was the "EY ego" that got in the way. They recruited a lot of good, dedicated, professional pilots that want and very much deserve to be treated like professionals. However, getting treated like labour cattle doesn't really send out a good vibe to all trying to make this place a career spot for sometime. Combined with the fact you are an expat in a far foreign country and now with very limited, blocked career prospects for the 320 guys who in the right mind from a western world would want to stay here ???????
If its true about 20 guys resigning, well it just very much shows you the seriousness of the problem. At around 100 320 fo's on the list at this point it is not just your typical attrition and the usual complainers jumping ship.
If its true about 20 guys resigning, well it just very much shows you the seriousness of the problem. At around 100 320 fo's on the list at this point it is not just your typical attrition and the usual complainers jumping ship.
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Firstly i would like to say Hello to everyone here
I would appreciate if anyone here would tell me the chances of getting called for an interview with Etihad. I'm currently an FO on the A320 with about 650 hrs on type (T.T around 1700 with 500 on B737). Have a degree in Aviation management - human factors and currently undertaking a master degree (dist Ed. from Uni NSW, Aus). The rest of my Flying was in GA Australia / Africa..... and yes I am single
I also have ICAO C.A.S.A Aust. and JAR Frozen ATPL which both are in the process of getting unfrozen.
On my application status it says 'under Review' for a while now but I have no idea of the waiting period..
and what is the realistic period before one transitions from the A320 to the A330/340??
I would appreciate if anyone here would tell me the chances of getting called for an interview with Etihad. I'm currently an FO on the A320 with about 650 hrs on type (T.T around 1700 with 500 on B737). Have a degree in Aviation management - human factors and currently undertaking a master degree (dist Ed. from Uni NSW, Aus). The rest of my Flying was in GA Australia / Africa..... and yes I am single
I also have ICAO C.A.S.A Aust. and JAR Frozen ATPL which both are in the process of getting unfrozen.On my application status it says 'under Review' for a while now but I have no idea of the waiting period..
and what is the realistic period before one transitions from the A320 to the A330/340??
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Since when does EY management says any truth ? They have been lying and continue to do so..... a few Virgin A340 F/O's have been promised command within 18 months, over any seniority issue.....
People are refusing to go MFF A320, despite the lies....
If it suits you to believe them, fine, don't compell the others who have enough judgement and self esteem to do so.
Attrition rate is slow.....but constant and it affects experienced people...it's not a good sign, in any airline, in any business whatsoever.
If you loose the experience and the trainers, do you really think that it will improve the future of the airline ?
EY is recruiting Japanese cabin crew for Japan operation launch who can't speak a word of english.... CM are taken out of the A320 , replaced by CS, we operate with less cabin crews on a lot of destinations.
Flight deck training standards is at its lowest since EY was created thanks to the french speaking MFT's.
Pilots demoted from captain's seat get it back without assessment and will fly with cadets ....... at night after the 3rd night in the monsoon......
Finance has a budget for the 1st major incicent to happen....
Ey is not trying to avoid it, it's forecasting it, worse, planning and budgetizing it....
EY is managed on a day to day basis, in order to show good finance stats and our VP's and above to get their bonuses, despite that your working conditions deteriorate, your T&C's erode ( watch this space for a big surprise shortly on allowances ....) and your careers prospects that were allegedly promised to you are vanishing in the name of the bigger picture or different passports.....
Good luck
People are refusing to go MFF A320, despite the lies....
If it suits you to believe them, fine, don't compell the others who have enough judgement and self esteem to do so.
Attrition rate is slow.....but constant and it affects experienced people...it's not a good sign, in any airline, in any business whatsoever.
If you loose the experience and the trainers, do you really think that it will improve the future of the airline ?
EY is recruiting Japanese cabin crew for Japan operation launch who can't speak a word of english.... CM are taken out of the A320 , replaced by CS, we operate with less cabin crews on a lot of destinations.
Flight deck training standards is at its lowest since EY was created thanks to the french speaking MFT's.
Pilots demoted from captain's seat get it back without assessment and will fly with cadets ....... at night after the 3rd night in the monsoon......
Finance has a budget for the 1st major incicent to happen....
Ey is not trying to avoid it, it's forecasting it, worse, planning and budgetizing it....
EY is managed on a day to day basis, in order to show good finance stats and our VP's and above to get their bonuses, despite that your working conditions deteriorate, your T&C's erode ( watch this space for a big surprise shortly on allowances ....) and your careers prospects that were allegedly promised to you are vanishing in the name of the bigger picture or different passports.....
Good luck
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CB,
I just can't believe that some FOs would have been given promises to a faster upgrade than most, bypass a whole seniority system in place and think nothing of it.
IF they were made that promise (a big IF), then they deserve to be disappointed. Who would go to a company and accept that back handed deal and screw his fellow pilots? A
,that s who!
CB , I believe that you are hearing half stories and that you are making up the second half to suit your needs. You already have been exposed. Some of the stuff you are spewing makes no sense at all.
Go to page 56 of this thread and read posts 1105-1109.
And added to that fact, that you are ranting about EK in the same manner leads me to believe that you work for neither.
Let it go. We got you loud and clear...
But if you do work at EY, there are ways to make it better. Just give it a try.
Because if you do keep your present course, you are becoming the dangerous type to fly with.
Later,
I just can't believe that some FOs would have been given promises to a faster upgrade than most, bypass a whole seniority system in place and think nothing of it.
IF they were made that promise (a big IF), then they deserve to be disappointed. Who would go to a company and accept that back handed deal and screw his fellow pilots? A
,that s who! CB , I believe that you are hearing half stories and that you are making up the second half to suit your needs. You already have been exposed. Some of the stuff you are spewing makes no sense at all.
Go to page 56 of this thread and read posts 1105-1109.
And added to that fact, that you are ranting about EK in the same manner leads me to believe that you work for neither.
Let it go. We got you loud and clear...
But if you do work at EY, there are ways to make it better. Just give it a try.
Because if you do keep your present course, you are becoming the dangerous type to fly with.
Later,
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Those not on the 320 have no clue.
I flew 97 hrs in Feb.(28 day month) 87 in Jan with sim days. Typically fly 4 or 5 on, 1 off, 3 on 1 off. Then I get my 2 off. 3 off in a row is a dream. Another gem we have is a night flight getting home at 0730 then the next day check in at 0700 for a nice long day of flying. This is after 2 or 3 days of night flights. Not to worry we DO get one day off before reporting back for work. 7 to 8 days off is the norm. We have the right to complain and we have heard all the reasons and how they are going to fix this but so far it's all BS.
Find a 320 guy who is happy at EY. If you can't then maybe you should start to believe us when we say it sucks!
I flew 97 hrs in Feb.(28 day month) 87 in Jan with sim days. Typically fly 4 or 5 on, 1 off, 3 on 1 off. Then I get my 2 off. 3 off in a row is a dream. Another gem we have is a night flight getting home at 0730 then the next day check in at 0700 for a nice long day of flying. This is after 2 or 3 days of night flights. Not to worry we DO get one day off before reporting back for work. 7 to 8 days off is the norm. We have the right to complain and we have heard all the reasons and how they are going to fix this but so far it's all BS.
Find a 320 guy who is happy at EY. If you can't then maybe you should start to believe us when we say it sucks!
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NTM.....We have been asking, begging and screaming for relief. It has been really bad since last summer. We on the 320 would love to know how to make things better. Perhaps you could tell us so we could have a life. We have been unable to figure it out.
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Disillionedek..."Getting the raw deal in some regards.Less pay,Less days off, no chance of requesting 4 in a row let alone having 3 in a row. I would have to say in all regards we're getting screwed. Our rosters change so much it's amazing there aren't more No Shows. When you get up at 0500 for your 06ish check in you better pull up your schedule because they often change it in the middle of the night. So now instead of that morning flight your up and awake for.... get ready for a night flight instead. A buddy of mine had 13 changes for the month of Feb. 7 to 9 is the norm. The changes are NEVER for the better. But hey we get our 7 to 8 days off, even though 2 or 3 of them are 1 day at a time. Yes people are leaving. The 23 rumored are supposed to be gone end of May. So when they don't leave we should be staffed just fine O, lets not forget the fixed roster thats coming our way. It will be great, they are magically going to be able to give a fixed roster when they can't give 3 days off in a row. O lets not forget they are looking into the fact we get payed less as well.
O, lets not forget the fixed roster thats coming our way. It will be great, they are magically going to be able to give a fixed roster when they can't give 3 days off in a row. O lets not forget they are looking into the fact we get payed less as well.
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Be careful joining as a 320 DEC. You will be stuck on the 320 for a very, very long time (4 years +). Guys that came over two years ago are still sitting and waiting for their ccq. At the moment, full effort is drawn towards the 330 to 320 ccq and internal upgrades, combine that with a general shortage of 320 ca (that is just about to even get bigger), the chance to see the 330 is getting extremely slim every day. Do not accept this job on the thought of flying the 330 anytime soon. If you don't care about your career progression, by all means EY 320 is your place !!!!
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HMMM
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WELL yes i agree but only if you consider your career progression as being
out here in the PIT
But with the world on the uptake "supposedly"
those on the 320 will do far better for themselves
Its just a little matter of time before things will become more obvious
S.L.
WELL yes i agree but only if you consider your career progression as being
out here in the PIT
But with the world on the uptake "supposedly"
those on the 320 will do far better for themselves
Its just a little matter of time before things will become more obvious
S.L.
frankbama
you obviously had a bad night. i am on 320 and get at least one 3 day break a month and rarely more than 5 days flying in row. So not quite as bad as you get. Still averagig 60hrs/mth and have never had 80 or more.
Different airline for some eh?
Different airline for some eh?