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Etihad Employment - threads merged - all you need to know

Old 12th Mar 2008, 22:45
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No problem easy Rider.. but if you go to the assessment; just record those funny guys who will tell you that they ve got 4 bedroom apartment waiting for you, what you can read on PPRuNe is bt and ey is the best airline in the world

If you do get that record just broadcast it!! here we are missing good laugh
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Old 12th Mar 2008, 23:14
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Yes mate was told that at the road show. Max 90days in hotel before u see an apartment/villa. Min 3 bedrooms....

Also that the 12hr min rest night stops are coming to an end. Paris will be about 36hrs now??

Large order for 70+ widebodies around summer.

All this was obviously to intice me to apply, which is fine - just need to know whats going on in real life on the front line.
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Old 13th Mar 2008, 04:00
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Angel some advice

Is etihad looking at dec without a type rating , have about 9000 hrs 3000 pic 737 ng.I tried calling but seem to have no luck. Can some answer please
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Old 13th Mar 2008, 07:31
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Did they tell you at the road show that some pilots are still in hotels after six months?

Did they tell you about the standard of accommodation?

Did they tell you that other airlines in the middle east pay far more than Etihad?

Didn't think so.......
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Old 13th Mar 2008, 07:47
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Don't expect an improvement in the package anytime in the next few years because pinhead Hogie proudly announced today EY's sponsorship of F1's Ferarri
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Old 13th Mar 2008, 07:51
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Easy Rider....do us a favour and dont apply....Type rating hunters like you just screw things up for the rest of us!
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Old 13th Mar 2008, 10:40
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I'd like to know which ones pay more?
thanks.

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Old 13th Mar 2008, 16:13
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If you know its not going to be to your liking then why bother?

Maybe you are a type rating hunter
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Old 13th Mar 2008, 17:08
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Maybe i am maybe im not, but it aint really any of your business is it???

Or are you on the recruitment team...

Cant really understand why anyone would just want a type for the sake of it unless it could lead to something better. Hence my wanting a 330 rating with hours, it should open a few more doors for me. After a year or 2 i'd move if EY is not for me and stay if i find i like it there... nothing to get upset about or have a go at bud. All i'm doing is try and plan a future for my family and myself that we will be happy with.

I dont know if it is or is not going to be to my liking hence the asking of questions (dont tell me you didnt ask any before moving?) etc so i can make an educated decision on uprooting and shiting to the sands........... Jeez whats in the water over there for people to get in a huff when one asks a few basic qu's.

At least theres a decent bunch that PM and actually have something constructive (positive and negative) to say. To those individuals I thank you.
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Old 18th Mar 2008, 20:04
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??? Etihad just got A 320 s
3 Years What do you mean?
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Old 18th Mar 2008, 22:52
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What is life on the B777 fleet like. Busy? Minimum nightstops? Destinations?
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Old 19th Mar 2008, 02:48
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Would also be interested in knowing where the 777 flies to.... According to webiste only 5 in fleet, any more on order? 787 orders perhaps? Is a type rating and hours on type an absolute must? Working on the ATP so should get that sorted soon.

Many thanks,

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Old 19th Mar 2008, 16:45
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Originally Posted by FlyingOW View Post
Would also be interested in knowing where the 777 flies to....
BKK, SIN, BNE with the odd KUL, CGK, RUH, JED thrown in.

any more on order? 787 orders perhaps?
No more 777 ordered and no 787 - rumors of 747-8. Announcement of fleet expansion later this year.
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Old 20th Mar 2008, 01:44
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Rumored announcement of fleet expansion
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Old 20th Mar 2008, 08:52
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As an FO on the B777 I will earliest see command after 36 months based on my senority and at will 99 % be on the A330 or A320. But I first have to spend 6 months in the right seat ( company policy ) on said aircraft before I can do the upgrade so I am looking at 3.5 years minimum.

And, just because its been building up for awhile, here's a few other gripes about EY, mainly in comparison with EK up the road.... :

EY;s health insurance provider, a local company called Daman, is not widely accepted in UAE and I find myself paying cash at hospitals/clinics and then having to drive to EY;s insurance department to claim the refund. Dental cover is limited to accidental cover so all normal checkups/cleaning is out your own pocket and in an expensive country like UAE with raging inflation your wallet will take a big hit if you e.g. got kids. Yes, EY has an understaffed small clinic in Abu Dhabi that handles minor stuff as colds etc but its woefully inadequate.EK has a proper clinic and everything is covered. No out of pocket cash required.

EY does not provide transport to and from work or transport allowance. Buy your own car or take taxi. EK provides transport to work and an interest free car loan of roughly U$13000 on arrival.

EY does not have a profit share scheme for employees. Would make diddly do difference as EY are not making a profit though.

EY does not have a retirement scheme/provident fund. EK contributes 12 % of your salary into a retirement account which in turn will be invested as per your wishes and fully accessable after 7 years of service.

EY does not have a currency protection scheme. EK partially compensates you for the falling U$ based on your home country currency. That will add a couple of hundreth U$/month in your salary.

EY puts you in a hotel for "minimum 3 months" and then its onto an apartment with varying standards for you and family. And electrics and water is out of your pocket. EK provides you with a villa and all utilities are paid for.

EY does not adjust it's per diem/overnight allowance at outstations unlike EK. With a falling U$ your expenses at out stations are greater and you will have less money at the end of the month.

EY does not allow bidding for your monthly roster. It is assigned by company. The company reserves the right to change your roster per their requirements so the roster functions more like a "general idea". At EK they have a functional bidding system per a normal airline.

EY;s annual leave ticket is not firm. You can be bumped. Not so in EK.

In conclusion...

The EY management is well aware of the T&C differences EY versuz EK but as "the machine is working", i.e., the airplanes are being flown and pilots are turning up for work and new recruits are applying, why change anything ? Why pay more when you can get the same results for less ? I certainly wouldnt. Normal business model. "No pilots applying anymore ? Ok, improve the conditions ". But plenty of pilots in the pool so why change anything.....

Guys, do your homework before deciding on relocating to a Gulf airline. I obviously didnt as you can tell from above...
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Old 20th Mar 2008, 12:57
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Yani Yani is absolutely right. Give EY a miss, if at all possible.
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Old 20th Mar 2008, 16:21
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Yani,

You bring up some very interesting points. Lets look at them one at a time. You stated that you are a first officer on a wide body 777 and only been there a short time ie less than 5 years. That's pretty good as in here in the US you would not be hired into a wide body to begin with. You further stated that you would have to be there at the very least 36 months to be able to hold again a wide body captain slot or maybe even the narrow body captain slot, again a good thing overall as over here you would need double digits years to hold even a narrow body captain slot. Now the need to have to fly some time in the aircraft they plan to upgrade you in is in my opinion a waste of time and talent. You have proven that you already know how to fly so this the need to further demonstrate that seems unnecessary.

Housing? Months in a hotel then to an apt that may or may not be up to the living standards that you and your family require. I would have to say two things here. First only in the expat world would you even get housing included in your employment package and second it's free to some extent. Now having said I trust in what you are saying that it is no where near the standard of EK. Lets keep in mind that EK is far more established than EY and I would bet that the beginnings of EK were not fun times at all!! I would expect as EY matures it too will become more like EK.

Medical and Dental? Absolutly no excuses in this area what so ever medical and dental for the pilot and family is essential!! EY needs to have coverage that is accepted throughout the country if not the world!!!!!!

Travel to and from work or an allowence should also be a perk of the job I checked in to Air Arabia and they provide at least an allowence. How new is the interest free car loan at EK and did they offer this from the start of that carrier?

I agree with you 100% in that folks really need to do their homework when making a life changeing decision such as this. I am not so sure that EY really has a lot of takers of the job as I keep hearing that there is a steady stream of applicants but many either don't make it or refuse the position. You would be in a much better position to comment on this as I am getting my information second and third hand.

Given the choice to do it all over again minus any emotion would you??

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Old 20th Mar 2008, 18:29
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A320PLT you'd be wrong, the beginning of EK was the best of times there
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Old 20th Mar 2008, 18:32
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Well see there you have it. That is the problem with getting things second and third hand.

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Old 20th Mar 2008, 18:42
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Both Yani Yani n A320PLT have some valid points. However there are two major factors which make me sympathise more with Yani those being

1) When EK started, aviation in ME was somewhat new. The aggressive competition was unheard of. EK could afford to fart around and do the trial and error tactics.

2) EK never had an ambition in it's 4th year to be " The Best Airline In The World " (by the way that is EY's vision for 2008). I stand to be corrected but not even till today does EK have such arrogance about its achievements nor do many other top carriers for that matter.

So based on those two simple but important points, I see where Yani is coming from.
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