Arab born pilots having trouble getting US Visas
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Arab born pilots having trouble getting US Visas
Ello all
Any Arab born pilots having trouble getting visas via their airline for entry into the US?
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Any Arab born pilots having trouble getting visas via their airline for entry into the US?
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So why don't you guys go to Australia? A lot of airlines are sending their trainees there. Perhaps you should have a good look at the schools there. Also the Oz licence has a better standing than the FAA licence.
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The boy does have a point, plenty of wannabees have denied access and many kicked, check the local Texas news about how syrian and sudanese students got kicked out the country. Some of them happened to be people I know...
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VISA
NearlyMan,
Unfortunately, U R right in not giving them a VISA, although they are pilots and coming as crew. I have so many friends flying with some airlines, they only fly into Europe and some other pilots continue the flight into US, this is what they call it FREEDOM, may be the other airlines or countries will do the same to the pilots when they fly into there main land.
Unfortunately, U R right in not giving them a VISA, although they are pilots and coming as crew. I have so many friends flying with some airlines, they only fly into Europe and some other pilots continue the flight into US, this is what they call it FREEDOM, may be the other airlines or countries will do the same to the pilots when they fly into there main land.
He probably means that it is more easilily converted to other ICAO licenses. For example, someone with a low hour ATPL will have to do nearly all the theory exams in Hong Kong whereas an Australian ATPL holder will have to do only a few.
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Nearly man is asking..as he is a PROFESSIONAL PILOT who operates for an airline in europe, he is not a spotter, terrorist, enthusiast, or otherwise...so please stop all the idiotic comments.
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Arab countries are also very hard to get a visa to. Unless you have a skill they need. How many refugees live in the arab world? Not too many I think, they usually end up in OZ, US or Europe...
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haughtney1, give me a brake, will ya!! Professional pilot who leaves the cockpit to pray in the front galley two three times a flight with all the F class passengers seen 4 bars banging the head against the floor. People who cant separate religion from the rest in their life. Recently a co-pi told me about an Arab born skipper he flown with that the guy was happy 9/11 happened and over 3000 people died and US deserved that. You don't seriously even for a sec expect yanks to let anybody like that fly into US as a professional pilot, do ya dude? I'm not against religions like Islam or Christianity or whatever but you know it I know it everyone else knows it, when it comes to religion "Islam" some of those guys can be pretty nasty and they will easily change their professional attitude towards religious one. So no wonder the yanks are very reluctant to issue a visa, they know what they're doing. At the end of the day most of them do hate US so why to fly there? Yea right, I forgot its the best shopping.
Mind ya that all the culprits of the last terror plot in the UK were UK citizens but adherent to Islam or better to say were trying to justify their actions through their religion. None of the religions do encourage to kill or to be a terrorist but tell that Al Qaeda and their buddies.
Mind ya that all the culprits of the last terror plot in the UK were UK citizens but adherent to Islam or better to say were trying to justify their actions through their religion. None of the religions do encourage to kill or to be a terrorist but tell that Al Qaeda and their buddies.
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The original question was ,are any arab borne pilots having difficulty getting US visas via their airline. There`s 2 groups of people who know the answer to this , first , being those arab borne pilots that have unexplained gaps in their 10 year histories ( duhh off to Kandahar to build sand castles with the Sheikh again.. or maybe just skirting off to Europe of Australia to avoid military service back " home " .) and other traceable deeds/ misdeeds that have brought their names/aliases to the attention of those granting said US visa , comprendo ? The other group is the DHS , and boy , they`ve learned A LOT.
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haughtney1, give me a brake, will ya!! Professional pilot who leaves the cockpit to pray in the front galley two three times a flight with all the F class passengers seen 4 bars banging the head against the floor. People who cant separate religion from the rest in their life.
Recently a co-pi told me about an Arab born skipper he flown with that the guy was happy 9/11 happened and over 3000 people died and US deserved that
At the end of the day most of them do hate US so why to fly there? Yea right, I forgot its the best shopping.
)Why fly there? because perhaps his airline flys there...and he wants to know if would have any difficulties obtaining a Visa to fly there.
Mind ya that all the culprits of the last terror plot in the UK were UK citizens but adherent to Islam or better to say were trying to justify their actions through their religion. None of the religions do encourage to kill or to be a terrorist but tell that Al Qaeda and their buddies
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From what I've seen, they have a problem. They go under extreme scrutiny whenever they apply for their crew visa & if they get it, its valid for only 6 months. Other nationalities get it for 5 years.
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haughtney1, listen mate u don't have to tell me anything. I do fly in the F class occasionally and saw it myself. Don't forget, QR is ME carrier and vast majority are Muslim pilots. I see and hear the things on daily basis opposite to ya. U wanna bring it to the point there u go: Yes, any Arab born pilot will undergo a heavy security check before issued a visa if at all especially if flying in as a pilot. I hope I don't have to tell u how sensitive that issue is. I assume you heard of the Egypt air crash in 99? Luckily they crashed into the see. One of the versions was the guy committed suicide. Have u ever heard of an Western airline pilot deliberately crashing a plane because the guy wanted to die? Its not US who wants them to come, its them who want to fly there and its up the US authorities to decide whether or not to issue the visa. Its not any one's right to get the visa but its prerogative of the authorities to decline it without any explanation. Mind you that usually an airline isn't only flying to US. I don't think there'll be any problem to schedule Muslim pilots to fly to ME or any other Muslim country at least not from a immigration's point of view. Whether u like it or not its a matter of national security and US takes it very seriously and I can guarantee u the yanks do have experts in that regard. They will screen the candidate's past until the very moment he/she was born and that takes time and if any doubts the answer will be NO.
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haughtney1, listen mate u don't have to tell me anything
I hope I don't have to tell u how sensitive that issue is
Its not US who wants them to come
Whether u like it or not its a matter of national security and US takes it very seriously and I can guarantee u the yanks do have experts in that regard. They will screen the candidate's past until the very moment he/she was born and that takes time and if any doubts the answer will be NO.
As I said previously, Nearly-man is asking because he flys as a professional airline pilot in Europe, he was born in an Islamic country, but has to the best of my knowledge lived for at least the past 35 years in western Europe (which includes all of his adolescent and adult life)
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Imagine just for a moment that some Hindu fanatics blew up the holy Etisalat
tower in AUH. This to protest the abysmal treatment of workers from the
subcontinent in the Middle Eastern oil rich states.
Now try to imagine the hassle Indian pilots would have to go through to get
a entry permit to these states ..............
Would this part of the world then blame the permit issuers, or rather sypathise
with them and call for the "agressor state" to fully assume responsibilty for the
actions of its citizens and ask them to apologize, even though knowing perfectly
well that the actors were state dissidents and terrorists?
It's always a matter of perspective.
tower in AUH. This to protest the abysmal treatment of workers from the
subcontinent in the Middle Eastern oil rich states.
Now try to imagine the hassle Indian pilots would have to go through to get
a entry permit to these states ..............
Would this part of the world then blame the permit issuers, or rather sypathise
with them and call for the "agressor state" to fully assume responsibilty for the
actions of its citizens and ask them to apologize, even though knowing perfectly
well that the actors were state dissidents and terrorists?
It's always a matter of perspective.
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I was only asking if arab born pilots are being knocked back by UK airlines who fly to the States cos they won't get a US Visa?
Thanks to the guys who replied with some sense
'Flying Dagger/Dildo', you are a ****!
Thanks to the guys who replied with some sense
'Flying Dagger/Dildo', you are a ****!