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EK Pay Rise
Might as well get a dedicated thread to this thorny issue. What say guys?
The sandpit is gonna get interesting in the next few months..........
7% mmmmm
Callout fee increased by just over a hundred bucks. Should I think about it? NAh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep discovering...... and recovering............
The sandpit is gonna get interesting in the next few months..........
7% mmmmm
Callout fee increased by just over a hundred bucks. Should I think about it? NAh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep discovering...... and recovering............
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Has the 7% been made public or is that still the latest rumour?
You can only take so much crap from one airline for so long and then you have to act!
My application is in with someone else and if offered the job I'm gone. The sooner the better, three years out here working for these Muppet's is enough, it's by far the most appalling airline I have ever flown for. They take the P1SS.
As pilots we are used and abused and we are are own worst enemy's, why? becauce we give in or say yes. THIS MUST STOP, NO working on days off or doing favours.
Can you just imagine what would happen if we lived in a civilised part of the world and had representation, the B*#TA*DS wouldn't get away with any of it.
20% or 30% wouldn't even do it.
Back to the Penfolds BIN 8.
You can only take so much crap from one airline for so long and then you have to act!
My application is in with someone else and if offered the job I'm gone. The sooner the better, three years out here working for these Muppet's is enough, it's by far the most appalling airline I have ever flown for. They take the P1SS.
As pilots we are used and abused and we are are own worst enemy's, why? becauce we give in or say yes. THIS MUST STOP, NO working on days off or doing favours.
Can you just imagine what would happen if we lived in a civilised part of the world and had representation, the B*#TA*DS wouldn't get away with any of it.
20% or 30% wouldn't even do it.
Back to the Penfolds BIN 8.
I find it interesting that the government has let rents rise by 15% and they are, but the utilities allowance goes up by 10%. So I guess a few of us are about to get turfed from the EK accommodation come lease renewal time.
Also noted that the productivity and call out pay increase does not happen till 1st July. Cheeky buggas!!!!
Don
Also noted that the productivity and call out pay increase does not happen till 1st July. Cheeky buggas!!!!
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Boys.....
A simple question was asked above:
Is this based on FACT or just a rumour? If it is FACT then where has it been published because besides the cabin crew details I haven't seen any numbers published anywhere?
A simple question was asked above:
Is this based on FACT or just a rumour? If it is FACT then where has it been published because besides the cabin crew details I haven't seen any numbers published anywhere?
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Its a fact! The letter from Adel is in your mailbox. I guess it puts us back to about where we were before they changed around the credit system. Then we lost 15% productivity under the 'cost neutral changes' due to loss of leave, standby and sim credit but now we have got the lost pay back. Shame about the inflation in the intervening period!
I don't believe 7% is going to make us anymore attractive to get more pilots. I guess the work rate is going to stay pretty much the same.
I don't believe 7% is going to make us anymore attractive to get more pilots. I guess the work rate is going to stay pretty much the same.
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Originally Posted by Schnowzer
I don't believe 7% is going to make us anymore attractive to get more pilots. I guess the work rate is going to stay pretty much the same.
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The full deal is as follows:
7% increase to basic scale
3% increment has been awarded (contractural annual increment)
10% on utility allowance
15% increase on productivity payments
Does it cover the cost of inflation?...no.
Is it better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick?...yes.
Will it solve our manpower problems?...Doubt it.
I just want to work overtime when I want it, not every month. I am getting more and more tired. We need more peolpe to reduce the work rate and I doubt if this will change the picture.
7% increase to basic scale
3% increment has been awarded (contractural annual increment)
10% on utility allowance
15% increase on productivity payments
Does it cover the cost of inflation?...no.
Is it better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick?...yes.
Will it solve our manpower problems?...Doubt it.
I just want to work overtime when I want it, not every month. I am getting more and more tired. We need more peolpe to reduce the work rate and I doubt if this will change the picture.
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We have already lost our "payrise" against dollar devaluation this year and there is a lot more to go.
And UAE inflation is on the rise as reported in Abu Dhabi. Its going to get a lot worse:
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=29056
If you havn't already joined EK stay away. If you have - plan your exit strategy now!
And UAE inflation is on the rise as reported in Abu Dhabi. Its going to get a lot worse:
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=29056
If you havn't already joined EK stay away. If you have - plan your exit strategy now!
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Obviously this increase is not going to attract pilots in hordes. So EK is still left with a crewing problem. Assuming there is someone with a master plan, what is going to be done to resolve the crew shortage?
Making us fly harder is one option, but most guys I know are not able to do any more than they are already, unless the hour limitations are changed. Could they offer a "B-scale" package to individuals to attract them to the pit; headhunting specific individuals on their own one-off contracts?
What about the home-basing old pearl? Would that induce people to join or convince those lucky enough to get one, to stay?
As it is apparent that they are looking for the most "cost neutral" solution (what a surprise) what other options are available that may solve this dire problem?
All in all, a slap in the face. Not impressed.
Making us fly harder is one option, but most guys I know are not able to do any more than they are already, unless the hour limitations are changed. Could they offer a "B-scale" package to individuals to attract them to the pit; headhunting specific individuals on their own one-off contracts?
What about the home-basing old pearl? Would that induce people to join or convince those lucky enough to get one, to stay?
As it is apparent that they are looking for the most "cost neutral" solution (what a surprise) what other options are available that may solve this dire problem?
All in all, a slap in the face. Not impressed.
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Low cost NOT low pay
What is the world's biggest low cost airline? Answer - Southwest.
Here's what a NYT article says about them: Though Southwest has just about the lowest costs in the industry, it now pays the highest wages to many worker groups, making up the difference with higher productivity and by holding down its costs in a number of ways.
In fact SWA skippers are now the highest paid pilots in the US.
Much more than United, TCK's favourite example when he wanted to further reduce our package.
Maybe the difference between SWA and EK is better managers?
Full aticle can be read here
Here's what a NYT article says about them: Though Southwest has just about the lowest costs in the industry, it now pays the highest wages to many worker groups, making up the difference with higher productivity and by holding down its costs in a number of ways.
In fact SWA skippers are now the highest paid pilots in the US.
Much more than United, TCK's favourite example when he wanted to further reduce our package.Maybe the difference between SWA and EK is better managers?
Full aticle can be read here
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I believe Yossarian might be pretty close to the mark with his last comments. The 'B' Scale option sounds likely... but with a special EK twist, i.e., the 'B' Scalers will be offered MORE than the existing pilot body in an effort to attract people.
Basings for new hires might be the only way they'll get enough new hires. Those already here who want basings will scream, but the powers-that-be are used to that, and know from past experience that most will scream and then cop whatever's dished out and turn up for work, (which is all they want).
I suspect the other option will be one that some allege has happened already, despite absolute denials from above - selected new hire DECs will be employed on a starting salary 'x' grades above a first year captain. (Even if the base pay is that of a first year captain, extra cash or perks will be offered by the back door.)
Potential new starts will hear only what they want to hear. It's always been that way. One, on another thread, ('Is EK the right job for you?'), says he'd prefer to believe the good reports he hears from people he knows rather than take any notice of 100 anonymous posters who are knocking the place.
He might like to take note of one story that in some ways proves his point. Not too many years ago, a number of 777 captains were urged to move to the Bus to help the company out in a manning crisis on the Bus at the time. (Sound familiar?)
They were promised 'first return' to the Boeing when slots became available if they wanted to return. Some now have been denied the move back to the Boeing because they are A340 qualified and they can't be spared.
Meanwhile, DECs who joined the company only two years ago on the A330 who are not A340 qualified are being given the Boeing slots.
It's probably one of these people who's teling his friend in Chicago how incredibly wonderful EK is!!!!
Basings for new hires might be the only way they'll get enough new hires. Those already here who want basings will scream, but the powers-that-be are used to that, and know from past experience that most will scream and then cop whatever's dished out and turn up for work, (which is all they want).
I suspect the other option will be one that some allege has happened already, despite absolute denials from above - selected new hire DECs will be employed on a starting salary 'x' grades above a first year captain. (Even if the base pay is that of a first year captain, extra cash or perks will be offered by the back door.)
Potential new starts will hear only what they want to hear. It's always been that way. One, on another thread, ('Is EK the right job for you?'), says he'd prefer to believe the good reports he hears from people he knows rather than take any notice of 100 anonymous posters who are knocking the place.
He might like to take note of one story that in some ways proves his point. Not too many years ago, a number of 777 captains were urged to move to the Bus to help the company out in a manning crisis on the Bus at the time. (Sound familiar?)
They were promised 'first return' to the Boeing when slots became available if they wanted to return. Some now have been denied the move back to the Boeing because they are A340 qualified and they can't be spared.
Meanwhile, DECs who joined the company only two years ago on the A330 who are not A340 qualified are being given the Boeing slots.
It's probably one of these people who's teling his friend in Chicago how incredibly wonderful EK is!!!!
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Well, well, bloody predictable. I could feel smug because I predicted this http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...51&postcount=7
But as always I feel like I have just been bu**ered
But as always I feel like I have just been bu**ered
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Read this today and thought they were talking about EK......
Nishimatsu, who joined from Tokyo University 34 years ago, believes the safety failures are symptomatic of an underlying malaise: a sclerotic, inward-looking management culture that fails to engage with or even properly hear frontline staff in the air, the workshops and terminals.
....but no it was JAL.
Here's a link to the article,
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...42-643,00.html
Nishimatsu, who joined from Tokyo University 34 years ago, believes the safety failures are symptomatic of an underlying malaise: a sclerotic, inward-looking management culture that fails to engage with or even properly hear frontline staff in the air, the workshops and terminals.
....but no it was JAL.
Here's a link to the article,
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...42-643,00.html
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Thanks for the info/update guys.
The 7% (+3%) certainly could have been better and the 10% on housing (although only applicable to those living out) is 5% shy of the government approved 15% rent hike per annum. And rents WILL go up by the alloted 15% a year..!
In summary, we make them millions and they;
eklawyer: I'm with you on your post!
You want loyalty, EMPLOY A F@CKING DOG!
The 7% (+3%) certainly could have been better and the 10% on housing (although only applicable to those living out) is 5% shy of the government approved 15% rent hike per annum. And rents WILL go up by the alloted 15% a year..!
In summary, we make them millions and they;
- show us the finger by giving a pay increase LESS than the previous one when in the last year work levels and inflation have shot through the roof .
eklawyer: I'm with you on your post!
You want loyalty, EMPLOY A F@CKING DOG!