EK delays A340-600! Command upgrades affected?
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EK delays A340-600! Command upgrades affected?
Several local papers mention that EK are 'delaying' their 346 options TFN.
Will this affect the number of Command upgrades on the Airbus, or will DEC's take most of the slots that are available?
What's the time to get Command for a new comer now this is happening?
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Will this affect the number of Command upgrades on the Airbus, or will DEC's take most of the slots that are available?
What's the time to get Command for a new comer now this is happening?
thanks
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The Airbus is screwed.
There is many 3 year guys without a date and a lot of guys meeting the DEC or Accelerated requirement who may go to the 777 but only as F/Os with a promise of a command 1 year from the start date of the course , so thats 3.5 to four years for those guys.
Imagine these guys are flying with new DECs who may never have flown a widebody or flown in the last 6months to a year at all and although they meet the company requirement for command they will be f/os on 777 or wait for the A330 commands which will be very scarce .
The A380 will only be crewed by our airbus guys for the first year then theyll be off the 777 and from outside, thats gonna continue to slow the Airbus commands even more.
Only take a 777 slot or if you like the bus go as a direct entry F/O on the A380 when it comes.
The A330 fleet im sure will reduce as the 777s move in.
There is many 3 year guys without a date and a lot of guys meeting the DEC or Accelerated requirement who may go to the 777 but only as F/Os with a promise of a command 1 year from the start date of the course , so thats 3.5 to four years for those guys.
Imagine these guys are flying with new DECs who may never have flown a widebody or flown in the last 6months to a year at all and although they meet the company requirement for command they will be f/os on 777 or wait for the A330 commands which will be very scarce .
The A380 will only be crewed by our airbus guys for the first year then theyll be off the 777 and from outside, thats gonna continue to slow the Airbus commands even more.
Only take a 777 slot or if you like the bus go as a direct entry F/O on the A380 when it comes.
The A330 fleet im sure will reduce as the 777s move in.
The delay to the 346's has been on the cards for a while.....as far as upgrades goes....first 10 380's will be airbus guys..so at least there will be some upgrades on the 330, not sure how many..depends how many people leave also...
Not so sure about jumping to the 777, bit of a gamble either way...oops no gambling allowed....toss a coin,ask the management, ask Allah (PBUH) ,either way they will find a way of shafting you...
Not so sure about jumping to the 777, bit of a gamble either way...oops no gambling allowed....toss a coin,ask the management, ask Allah (PBUH) ,either way they will find a way of shafting you...
Well im outta here and my new airline respects seniority and pays well.
Good luck stressing over the commands ,ill be Earning the same as an EK Captain ,in the right seat, stress free, and when my seniority comes up ill get a command .
Goodbye sandpit and all my friends at EK ................
Good luck stressing over the commands ,ill be Earning the same as an EK Captain ,in the right seat, stress free, and when my seniority comes up ill get a command .
Goodbye sandpit and all my friends at EK ................
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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
Well im outta here and my new airline respects seniority and pays well.
Good luck stressing over the commands ,ill be Earning the same as an EK Captain ,in the right seat, stress free, and when my seniority comes up ill get a command .
Goodbye sandpit and all my friends at EK ................
Good luck stressing over the commands ,ill be Earning the same as an EK Captain ,in the right seat, stress free, and when my seniority comes up ill get a command .
Goodbye sandpit and all my friends at EK ................
I am counting my days, what a GREAT FEELING
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Well guys, congrats on your move. I am looking with big eyes for a good job, and had even thought EK may be it, but reading on here, it seems I may be wrong. Is there gonna be anyone left there?
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I had an offer from EK in 2001. It took a lot of deliberation before I finally came to decide to stay in the UK. A small part of me still regrets not taking the opportunity, but from what I've read in the last couple of years in this forum I probably made the correct choice. I'm sorry to hear say that EK management have let the airline slip away so badly from what used to be a very attractive ex-pat pilot destination.
Regards, The Count
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Better off out...
I did the proverbial 'stunned mullet' expression when advised of the DEC pay on offer for an EK 777 command in 2004. I do not know if this has changed since then but I have a friend who is RHS on 737 with Thomsonfly and regularly takes home slightly more (after tax) with an excellent lifestyle to boot. OK he does not have an airconditioned villa to be jet-lagged in but he is happy to cope with his cottage in Sussex with the South Downs out the back.
Suffice to say I am pleased I did not go to EK - I may make it past 60 !!
Suffice to say I am pleased I did not go to EK - I may make it past 60 !!
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You imply from your post that your F/O 'friend' in Thomsonfly is earning the same money as an EK Captain, correct?
If so, tell him to stay where he is until he retires because that puts him on a higher take home than I was on with line training Captains pay in another well known Charter Airline not so many miles away from Britannia's home base.
What many people fail to realise is the overall package. If we choose not to live in our Company villa then our monthly take home increases by another £1240 month. That would put a STARTING F/O on £4000 month. (excluding allowances). Is that what your friend takes home?
I wouldn't wish to appear bias in my calculations so we would have to deduct £150 from this £4000 towards our Provident fund contribution ( however,no need to buy an annuity from the final lump sum. The Company will kindly contribute 10% then 15% after 10 years. That's tax free by the way.) You'll also have to pay out around £35 for family medical cover each month. But, Just a phone call away and in most cases, same day appointments. All dentristry work included.Then there's the £140 you'd have to pay for the private education of 2 children each and every month. Luckily, the Company will pay the other 90%. Oh, and musn't forget the £15 every month for our club which gains our families entry to at least 5 five star hotels/ clubs and use of all facilities. But at least they give us discount on food and beverages to reduce the pain of forking out all that money! I guess my wife is also thankfull that I get a 'lift' into work as she can have our one and only car that we need. Just as well because petrol is frighteningly expensive now. Almost £15 to fill up my new 4x4. Still, it's only once a week so what the heck! I guess as an F/O, your friend has to make do with Business class travel but you can always re-assure him that when he gets his command he'll get first class, just like our Captains.
So then, apart from our stable rosters and the new aircraft we fly, in addition to the varied routes and bid line ( top 2 months only mind you) and the relatively secure outlook for our Company...................erm, oh, and the bonus we're expecting again,not really sure why I left the UK really...............
............the weather maybe..............
You imply from your post that your F/O 'friend' in Thomsonfly is earning the same money as an EK Captain, correct?
If so, tell him to stay where he is until he retires because that puts him on a higher take home than I was on with line training Captains pay in another well known Charter Airline not so many miles away from Britannia's home base.
What many people fail to realise is the overall package. If we choose not to live in our Company villa then our monthly take home increases by another £1240 month. That would put a STARTING F/O on £4000 month. (excluding allowances). Is that what your friend takes home?
I wouldn't wish to appear bias in my calculations so we would have to deduct £150 from this £4000 towards our Provident fund contribution ( however,no need to buy an annuity from the final lump sum. The Company will kindly contribute 10% then 15% after 10 years. That's tax free by the way.) You'll also have to pay out around £35 for family medical cover each month. But, Just a phone call away and in most cases, same day appointments. All dentristry work included.Then there's the £140 you'd have to pay for the private education of 2 children each and every month. Luckily, the Company will pay the other 90%. Oh, and musn't forget the £15 every month for our club which gains our families entry to at least 5 five star hotels/ clubs and use of all facilities. But at least they give us discount on food and beverages to reduce the pain of forking out all that money! I guess my wife is also thankfull that I get a 'lift' into work as she can have our one and only car that we need. Just as well because petrol is frighteningly expensive now. Almost £15 to fill up my new 4x4. Still, it's only once a week so what the heck! I guess as an F/O, your friend has to make do with Business class travel but you can always re-assure him that when he gets his command he'll get first class, just like our Captains.
So then, apart from our stable rosters and the new aircraft we fly, in addition to the varied routes and bid line ( top 2 months only mind you) and the relatively secure outlook for our Company...................erm, oh, and the bonus we're expecting again,not really sure why I left the UK really...............
............the weather maybe..............
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And that 4,000 is tax free. I don't know what sort of gross salary you would need in (say) the UK to take that home but I imagine it would be a hell of a lot more than most new F/Os are making.
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I stand corrected, but I make it 3800 pounds and looking in the Gulf News today your 1240 pounds will rent a two bedroomed apartment, in six months from now it might stretch to a studio flat.
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Okay, scrub the house for those not lucky enough to have already made a killing in real estate and let's just stick to our £2750 tax free,Company accommodation,with no mortgage to pay or any other bills for that matter. Except phone of course ( local calls free).
I assume your 'friend' has a mortgage to pay along with water rates, electricity, council tax, gas maybe, sewage charge, phone, TV licence ..........
Many of the F/O's who've retained their properties around the World get tenants to pay the mortgage. And all the bills! Great eh?
I will give you one thing though. The view of the South Downs is great and is sorely missed! I'll look forward to retiring there. In my cottage when i'm 60.
Actually, make that 55...................I'll not last to 60!
I assume your 'friend' has a mortgage to pay along with water rates, electricity, council tax, gas maybe, sewage charge, phone, TV licence ..........
Many of the F/O's who've retained their properties around the World get tenants to pay the mortgage. And all the bills! Great eh?
I will give you one thing though. The view of the South Downs is great and is sorely missed! I'll look forward to retiring there. In my cottage when i'm 60.
Actually, make that 55...................I'll not last to 60!
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Have just realised that I overcharged myself on the school fees. The monthly total should read £72. Have also found out that basic F/O's salary starts now at £2870.
See, that's £200 a month better off in the last 15 minutes already.
See, that's £200 a month better off in the last 15 minutes already.
