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ERAU15
Just admit it, you are either working in FECA admin. or FECA management.
You would do well in a communist regime, you sure talk the party line. For some advanced tips and techniques on being a yes-man and turning dirt into oil, please check out Squealer from 'Animal Farm'.
On a more serious note. I, to a degree, can see the business point of view you are trying to get across.
However it is the pilots who are at the pointy egde of the sword.
If it is true that the flights into Iraq are as profitable as you say, then why aren't the pilots looked after better!
And I am not just talking money here.
Talking about money. That annual bonus (if you can call it that).
Less than 1% of my annual salary when I was still around.
I hope that has improved since.
For the rest, I agree with 2daddies.
And yes, most of the time it is the pilots who catch most of the discrepancies, and there has been pressure from people higher up on the food chain to accept them anyway.
Well you know? treat the pilots the way they deserve to be treated, and you'll find that they are more willing to help the company out.
Happy new year everyone!
PS. If you don't want to read about pigs taking control, I suggest reading 'Lord of the Flies'. OOPS!! that has a pig in it too!
Just admit it, you are either working in FECA admin. or FECA management.
You would do well in a communist regime, you sure talk the party line. For some advanced tips and techniques on being a yes-man and turning dirt into oil, please check out Squealer from 'Animal Farm'.
On a more serious note. I, to a degree, can see the business point of view you are trying to get across.
However it is the pilots who are at the pointy egde of the sword.
If it is true that the flights into Iraq are as profitable as you say, then why aren't the pilots looked after better!
And I am not just talking money here.
Talking about money. That annual bonus (if you can call it that).
Less than 1% of my annual salary when I was still around.
I hope that has improved since.
For the rest, I agree with 2daddies.
And yes, most of the time it is the pilots who catch most of the discrepancies, and there has been pressure from people higher up on the food chain to accept them anyway.
Well you know? treat the pilots the way they deserve to be treated, and you'll find that they are more willing to help the company out.
Happy new year everyone!
PS. If you don't want to read about pigs taking control, I suggest reading 'Lord of the Flies'. OOPS!! that has a pig in it too!
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How on God's green Earth pilots always end up being the victim? that I struggle to understand
JustFlyin'
I fail to understand how is Pilots the pointy edge of the sword?
How better do you want pilots to be looked after?
For the love of God, come out of the pilot bitching, baby crying mode once in your life.
Pilots come to FECA averaging no more than 2 years of experience, lack basic training in CRM, and have no idea what SMS means. However, go back to the begining of this 5 page thread and see for yourself how many pilots want to join FECA. The company offers them good home for proper training, compensation, and building time. Not to mention invaluable experience. I say what they make and how they are treated is excellent for what they have to offer.
I can't deny that many gain expereince quickly after they join, but soon before they make any real contributions, they strive to leave for the jet. I also have to disagree with you that pilots catch most of the discrepancies. Thats just complete BS from brain damage.
Now for all of you attempting to even discuss business and management or how things are done, I want to ask if any of you was ever put in a managerial position that required decison making based on corporate politics? I don't think so.
Its easy to bitch and critisize like you know it all but when it comes down to capturing the universal lubricant, its a whole new ball game. It takes a special type of perosnality, knowledge, and experience to get things done in the favor of profits, which I'm pretty sure none responding to my posts comes close.
Now you can commence bitching.
JustFlyin'
I fail to understand how is Pilots the pointy edge of the sword?
How better do you want pilots to be looked after?
For the love of God, come out of the pilot bitching, baby crying mode once in your life.
Pilots come to FECA averaging no more than 2 years of experience, lack basic training in CRM, and have no idea what SMS means. However, go back to the begining of this 5 page thread and see for yourself how many pilots want to join FECA. The company offers them good home for proper training, compensation, and building time. Not to mention invaluable experience. I say what they make and how they are treated is excellent for what they have to offer.
I can't deny that many gain expereince quickly after they join, but soon before they make any real contributions, they strive to leave for the jet. I also have to disagree with you that pilots catch most of the discrepancies. Thats just complete BS from brain damage.
Now for all of you attempting to even discuss business and management or how things are done, I want to ask if any of you was ever put in a managerial position that required decison making based on corporate politics? I don't think so.
Its easy to bitch and critisize like you know it all but when it comes down to capturing the universal lubricant, its a whole new ball game. It takes a special type of perosnality, knowledge, and experience to get things done in the favor of profits, which I'm pretty sure none responding to my posts comes close.
Now you can commence bitching.
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Thats just complete BS from brain damage.
How on God's green Earth pilots always end up being the victim? that I struggle to understand
I never said that pilots are the victim of anything here.
What I am saying here is that IT IS the pilots that are doing the actual flying into Iraq, hence the saying 'being at the pointy egde of the sword'.
Have you yourself gone into Iraq recently?
If so, how often? When?
Some of the things you say would carry a bit more weight if you have flown into Iraq.
I say what they make and how they are treated is excellent for what they have to offer.
I am sure that most of the FECA wannabes are not aware that that is all they get. Just think, housing will take a BIG chunk out of that $2400.- I remember a time not long ago that it was/is nearly impossible to find any suitable candidates for a Captains position. You probably think money was not an issue there!?
May I add that most pilots have an accumulated debt of $40.000,- to $50.000,- for their flight training? For the European pilots amongst you, that figure could be as high as $100.000,-
So with the banks knocking on their door, A job is better than NO job.
So pilots leaving within 2 years is not just because of that elusive jet-job, but certainly to go somewhere where the salary will at least pay the bills.
If you complain about inexperienced pilots, then be prepared to pay the price for experience.
Sometimes it would just be nice to get a thank you or a pat on the shoulder for a job well done. Not come back to a request (did I say request? I meant order) to come in to do another flight on short notice. Plans or no plans.
Or as someone in management once said:'If flying gets in the way of your social life, then look for another job'.
There has to be a reason for the low morale within the pilot core.
I'll let you figure out why.
PS. I never pretend to be a manager, or know how.
However I do know something about people skills and proper treatment of your co-workers.
PPS. But then again, I should konw better, it is the Middle East after all. Nothing will change
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Well $ 2.400,- is not bad as a salary but with the high costs of training in europe (Way higher than $ 100,000.- or 150.000,-) and the loss of the dollar value over 25% makes the salary pretty low for a European.
$ 2,400.- = € 1,600.- keep in mind a garbage collector in Western Europe will make about € 1,500.- without any training costs. Hopefully dollar will start rising again.
Still happy to fly
$ 2,400.- = € 1,600.- keep in mind a garbage collector in Western Europe will make about € 1,500.- without any training costs. Hopefully dollar will start rising again.
Still happy to fly
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ERAU15,
i get the feeling that you are management if not the CP himself, surely you cannot agree that the current compensation for flying into iraq is sufficent, is it still 500 dirams? i think you are comparing apples to pears, flying is generally dangerous blah blah and flying into iraq the risk is higher, no its a lot bloody higher! hmm let me think flying an ILS to minimas in sh!t conditions in say dubai or flying into iraq in cavok conditions, i know which one i would choose and any other professional pilot would choose, and to think that management does not put pressure on you is crazy talk. except for the iraq stuff and a more professional attitude shown by management, this could be a good company again.
i get the feeling that you are management if not the CP himself, surely you cannot agree that the current compensation for flying into iraq is sufficent, is it still 500 dirams? i think you are comparing apples to pears, flying is generally dangerous blah blah and flying into iraq the risk is higher, no its a lot bloody higher! hmm let me think flying an ILS to minimas in sh!t conditions in say dubai or flying into iraq in cavok conditions, i know which one i would choose and any other professional pilot would choose, and to think that management does not put pressure on you is crazy talk. except for the iraq stuff and a more professional attitude shown by management, this could be a good company again.
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Wow...Do people with more a few thousand hours AND a 1900 rating actually apply to work for a company paying 2400 US per month ? That money would be a bad joke even without Bush reducing the dollar to a 3rd world currency....I heard about Falcon only recently and was about to put in a CV....it can stay in my hard-drive...
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Hey, what difference does it make where I work or what I do?
Lets stay focus on subject and maintain constructive criticism.
I have great respect for pilots and their knwoledge. I'm also very aware that it takes ass load of money for training and type ratings. However, the compensation in FECA is very decent comapred to the indutry's average. Management looks at it from a business prospective not coz they are evil people that want to give you less and squeez more out of you. Its a matter of demand and supply the reason why most of you take the the job coz you know if you don't, someone else will. Not to mention of course that most of you want that twin time specially in an aircraft with an approach speed similar to that of a jet.
I'm not saying compensation is great coz I know its expensive to live in Dubai, but the money will eventually come. If you stop thinking about money and think of how can you enhance what you have to offer then maybe things will look better to you and the company. Flying is the only career that people get into coz they love it even when the copensation is low. So keep loving it and the money will come to you.
I'm not defending FECA or saying they are the best there is, but it is a decent company with a lot to offer. I've lived, worked, and trained pilots for as long as I remember.......I'm just trying to make you look at things from a different prospective.
Lets stay focus on subject and maintain constructive criticism.
I have great respect for pilots and their knwoledge. I'm also very aware that it takes ass load of money for training and type ratings. However, the compensation in FECA is very decent comapred to the indutry's average. Management looks at it from a business prospective not coz they are evil people that want to give you less and squeez more out of you. Its a matter of demand and supply the reason why most of you take the the job coz you know if you don't, someone else will. Not to mention of course that most of you want that twin time specially in an aircraft with an approach speed similar to that of a jet.
I'm not saying compensation is great coz I know its expensive to live in Dubai, but the money will eventually come. If you stop thinking about money and think of how can you enhance what you have to offer then maybe things will look better to you and the company. Flying is the only career that people get into coz they love it even when the copensation is low. So keep loving it and the money will come to you.
I'm not defending FECA or saying they are the best there is, but it is a decent company with a lot to offer. I've lived, worked, and trained pilots for as long as I remember.......I'm just trying to make you look at things from a different prospective.
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Falcon Cargo Dubai
I hear Falcon will take you on with a frozen ATPL with min hours?
Anyone had any experience with these guys or know where to find them?
Cheers
Scott
Anyone had any experience with these guys or know where to find them?
Cheers
Scott
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Gday Flying Mechanic,
You guys still flying the B1900 into Iraq??
Any work going for an out of work B1900 driver with 2300hrs on type?
Any chance you could give me an update on the latest pay scales for Captain? PM me if preferred.
Cheers,
MNC
You guys still flying the B1900 into Iraq??
Any work going for an out of work B1900 driver with 2300hrs on type?
Any chance you could give me an update on the latest pay scales for Captain? PM me if preferred.
Cheers,
MNC
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Basically captains pay is around 15000 dhs.should be around 45k/year.
The iraq flights are still on the schedule for the 1900 but 9 out of 10 times they are cxd nowadays.
No more fk27 crews required on short notice, But they are very very very desperate for 1900 captains, only 7 operational captains at the moment instead of 11
Coastrider
Ps FM how are you doing up north?
The iraq flights are still on the schedule for the 1900 but 9 out of 10 times they are cxd nowadays.
No more fk27 crews required on short notice, But they are very very very desperate for 1900 captains, only 7 operational captains at the moment instead of 11
Coastrider
Ps FM how are you doing up north?
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Coastrider!
Hey Coaster!
Yep all is well over here in the North............it was warmer today minus 10.I bet the boys are flying hard now with only 7 Captains....ouch. Look forward to seeing you at 22 North of the Equator for beer.......cheeers FM
Yep all is well over here in the North............it was warmer today minus 10.I bet the boys are flying hard now with only 7 Captains....ouch. Look forward to seeing you at 22 North of the Equator for beer.......cheeers FM
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No wonder they can't find 1900 captains. Their pay is well below industry standard; US$45k as said. You will need this money to pay the rent for your house, transportation (buy a car or use a taxi) etc. In addition, there are the Iraq flights.
I was offered a job but obviously declined.
There are 1900 contracts available elsewhere, where you will earn US$5000 a month when you only need to buy food as housing and transportation is taken care of by the company.
My 2 cents..
I was offered a job but obviously declined.
There are 1900 contracts available elsewhere, where you will earn US$5000 a month when you only need to buy food as housing and transportation is taken care of by the company.
My 2 cents..
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[email protected] , good luck