B767 Direct Entry Captains at GF
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B767 Direct Entry Captains at GF
I've just heard that GF has resumed hiring direct entry captains on the 767 fleet. 4 Canadians on the way. I havent talked to my boss yet so it is not confirmed. Hope GF didnt lie to us waiting for upgrade and turning down interviews elsewhere... GF is not in a position to absorb a second exodus on the 767 fleet believe me, 6 days off on Feb roster.
Anyone can confirm the rumors?
Anyone can confirm the rumors?
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Yep, heard the same. 4 on the way and at least 4 more to come. This is usual GF bull****. They'll say they can't cope with all the training drive and have to do this... so, why don't they hire short-term CPTs on 767 just like on A330/A340?
My guess is that RP-C is just running things with an eye on its retirement... bad for us...
My guess is that RP-C is just running things with an eye on its retirement... bad for us...
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Your comments about RC are unfounded, and un-true.The fairest man I have ever met. Don't you think he may be between a 'rock and a hard place'. He has been in GF for nearly 30 yrs, it certainly is not in his interest to see it collapse.Capt's leave for all sorts of reasons and 767 fleet ( GF/GT ), is no exception, but to blame it on him is wrong. Fact is, Capt's are leaving, and F/O's too, due many factors, but certainly not his fault. Despite the route structure that we have on 767, which is awful for many of us, compared to 330/340 crew, and they are not entirely happy either, don't you perhaps think, that if GF made it worth-while to stay, then perhaps people would??? , not just flight deck.It must cost GF a fortune to train pilots,and cabin crew, and then have them leave after a year or so. Better to try and keep them if they fit the bill. Make terms and conditions better, even more-so, than the competition, and then we'll see who want's to leave, despite the routes. The ones that have left, and are leaving, are doing so for their own reasons, but the fact remains, they must be replaced, otherwise the whole 767 operation grinds to a halt. That can't be allowed to happen. Is it no wonder that DEC's, HAVE to be employed. Certainly no fault of RC.
Your comments about RC are unfounded, and un-true.The fairest man I have ever met. Don't you think he may be between a 'rock and a hard place'. He has been in GF for nearly 30 yrs, it certainly is not in his interest to see it collapse.Capt's leave for all sorts of reasons and 767 fleet ( GF/GT ), is no exception, but to blame it on him is wrong. Fact is, Capt's are leaving, and F/O's too, due many factors, but certainly not his fault. Despite the route structure that we have on 767, which is awful for many of us, compared to 330/340 crew, and they are not entirely happy either, don't you perhaps think, that if GF made it worth-while to stay, then perhaps people would??? , not just flight deck.It must cost GF a fortune to train pilots,and cabin crew, and then have them leave after a year or so. Better to try and keep them if they fit the bill. Make terms and conditions better, even more-so, than the competition, and then we'll see who want's to leave, despite the routes. The ones that have left, and are leaving, are doing so for their own reasons, but the fact remains, they must be replaced, otherwise the whole 767 operation grinds to a halt. That can't be allowed to happen. Is it no wonder that DEC's, HAVE to be employed. Certainly no fault of RC.
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Couldn’t agree with you more RPC is a very honourable man, but do disagree with the need for DEC. The standard of some DEC and experience has certainly been questionable and given the same training DEC get, some of the FO in the company would produce very good Captains.
Again it comes down to previous management lack of competence in planning of training Captains and training in general. Other companies with far less resources are capable of upgrading within maybe it is time to change the way Gulf Air trains pilot and look at how others do it or get them to help do it.
If Hogan is serious on having an efficient Airline, Flight Ops needs to be looked at because every pilot they lose cost the company, as some Airlines quote approx $60 000 US for initial training. Figures I believe is Gulf Air is losing 6 pilots a month or $4 320 000 US a year in lost profits.
There is also a FO shortage if there is no career in Gulf Air why stay and the planes will still not fly. DEC might solve your immediate shortage but the lack of faith will cause far more to look else where, I will.
Again it comes down to previous management lack of competence in planning of training Captains and training in general. Other companies with far less resources are capable of upgrading within maybe it is time to change the way Gulf Air trains pilot and look at how others do it or get them to help do it.
If Hogan is serious on having an efficient Airline, Flight Ops needs to be looked at because every pilot they lose cost the company, as some Airlines quote approx $60 000 US for initial training. Figures I believe is Gulf Air is losing 6 pilots a month or $4 320 000 US a year in lost profits.
There is also a FO shortage if there is no career in Gulf Air why stay and the planes will still not fly. DEC might solve your immediate shortage but the lack of faith will cause far more to look else where, I will.
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Bedouin,
I cannot agree with you more!!
I hope it's only a rumor, if not......I guess there's only one thing to do!!!
By the way, I have a message for the guys who LIKE to work during their days off , or willing to accept any last minute change to help the company,....I just hope you're gonna feel betrayed when those DEC guys will fly on the left seat you were looking for!!!!!!
Just for your information, the company I was working for back home always hired guys on short term contract training captain to give the simulator and then the company released them when done....All we need is good willing from the company.
Yo767, feel sorry for you....you were so close!!!!!!
I cannot agree with you more!!
I hope it's only a rumor, if not......I guess there's only one thing to do!!!
By the way, I have a message for the guys who LIKE to work during their days off , or willing to accept any last minute change to help the company,....I just hope you're gonna feel betrayed when those DEC guys will fly on the left seat you were looking for!!!!!!
Just for your information, the company I was working for back home always hired guys on short term contract training captain to give the simulator and then the company released them when done....All we need is good willing from the company.
Yo767, feel sorry for you....you were so close!!!!!!
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Tic,
I totally agree with your point on conditions improvement being a major drive for people to stay.
I also haven't said that RPC is a dishonorable man or that he wants to see GF collapse or that DEC are his fault. Not at all.
I just mentioned that he might be choosing the easiest way to accomplish what the "upper" management expects from him: Crew the B767s. Of course changes in the upgrade policy do not depend solely on him, but each one of the guys up there could give its best.
Bedouin
Spot on. I had the same calculation... has anyone showed this to James Hogan???
Cheers
JJ
I totally agree with your point on conditions improvement being a major drive for people to stay.
I also haven't said that RPC is a dishonorable man or that he wants to see GF collapse or that DEC are his fault. Not at all.
I just mentioned that he might be choosing the easiest way to accomplish what the "upper" management expects from him: Crew the B767s. Of course changes in the upgrade policy do not depend solely on him, but each one of the guys up there could give its best.
Bedouin
Spot on. I had the same calculation... has anyone showed this to James Hogan???
Cheers
JJ
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No need to worry about showing it to JH, he is a regular reader! (not me BTW!).
Seeing as he has just cut most peoples budget for '05 considerably I hope he reads it in the very near future!
Especially as some of his side-kicks consistently produce business cases as weak as the tea off the HDQ trollies and with as much fore-'sight' as the male component of 'Peters & Lee'!
Give it 3-5 years and GF will realise how much of a corner it has mopped itself into in terms of a business strategy. The trouble is, by then it will be far too late to get out. By 2010 GF will have to shrink to the size of Oman Air and run a similar business plan and operation.
Get your hours (and money) in now while you can, it isn't going to last for much longer.
Seeing as he has just cut most peoples budget for '05 considerably I hope he reads it in the very near future!
Especially as some of his side-kicks consistently produce business cases as weak as the tea off the HDQ trollies and with as much fore-'sight' as the male component of 'Peters & Lee'!
Give it 3-5 years and GF will realise how much of a corner it has mopped itself into in terms of a business strategy. The trouble is, by then it will be far too late to get out. By 2010 GF will have to shrink to the size of Oman Air and run a similar business plan and operation.
Get your hours (and money) in now while you can, it isn't going to last for much longer.
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The guys coming from Canada is true.
I have waited for upgrade and it keeps getting further away all the time.
Anyhow, more will leave just like the 4 training captains that departed the otherday to go to The other carrier in Abu Dhabi.
Should we wait or go?........ I will go.
Thanks for playing the game, rules have changed, PULL CHOCKS!!
See ya
I have waited for upgrade and it keeps getting further away all the time.
Anyhow, more will leave just like the 4 training captains that departed the otherday to go to The other carrier in Abu Dhabi.
Should we wait or go?........ I will go.
Thanks for playing the game, rules have changed, PULL CHOCKS!!
See ya
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Just talked to a recruiter very interested in taking as many as he can has opening coming up and is willing to give an a incentive to start immediately, he to needs to keep his company flying to.
I thought that this would be a dishonourable thing to do, not to give notice, but it is certainly dishonourable to lie about upgrading, take your leave without notice and not provide a NOC when you complete your contract and give notice.
Start talking when you see the crews on turn around and we will have info passed on to the people interested. Don’t need everyone on the Internet to know.
Good luck Gulf Air in summer you will need it.
I thought that this would be a dishonourable thing to do, not to give notice, but it is certainly dishonourable to lie about upgrading, take your leave without notice and not provide a NOC when you complete your contract and give notice.
Start talking when you see the crews on turn around and we will have info passed on to the people interested. Don’t need everyone on the Internet to know.
Good luck Gulf Air in summer you will need it.
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1) It's kind of tough to continue with the upgrades when there are not enough F.O's as it is
2) DEC's once on line, will free up the trainers to do just that..train upgrades, and the DEfo's will free up the senior fo's to continue the upgrade process...
3) NOBODY at ANY management level is happy to hire DEC's, all are painfully aware of the negative impact on morale, but they're less happy to cancel flights...the lesser of two evils is the way it was put to me when I inquired...
4) Please be patient...good things come to those who wait...(eventually)
2) DEC's once on line, will free up the trainers to do just that..train upgrades, and the DEfo's will free up the senior fo's to continue the upgrade process...
3) NOBODY at ANY management level is happy to hire DEC's, all are painfully aware of the negative impact on morale, but they're less happy to cancel flights...the lesser of two evils is the way it was put to me when I inquired...
4) Please be patient...good things come to those who wait...(eventually)
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I'd like to know how it came to be that all these reportedly Canadian DEC have been hired, as no one has been interviewed, or even offered an interview much less been asked to join. Yo 767 might be overreacting, and a little emotional here. Which, of course is very understandable. Wait until it has been comfirmed...then react. (Just like you've learned to do in the sim)
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more DECs
great more Air Cabbage wonders or real charter pilots coming? Since I already paid my rent for a year here 6 months vacation waiting for the ban to expire is not so hard to imagine, couple tourists visas in and out and then off to the competition. maybe if these training pilots figured out how to push through candidates from right to left seat things would go quicker . Take the parking brake off then we will move!!!
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tundra runner,
Don’t come in on a tourist visa during your 6 month ban because the ban will start again. You have to be out of the country!
Check out the 9 month notice period in your contract!
Don’t come in on a tourist visa during your 6 month ban because the ban will start again. You have to be out of the country!
Check out the 9 month notice period in your contract!
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Article (96)a) Person who is debarred from entry for employment due to cancellation of their residence for employment in the country, and a stamp is fixed on their passport banning them from entry for employment for six months from the last date leaving the country.
Notice period is 3 months plus 6 month ban. You can come in if you are on the list of countries that get visit visas on arrival. You just cant gain employment.
UAE are removing the ban, as stated by the Minister, as no FTA can be reached with most countries with out that lifted of course things do happen here at there own pace here.
There are plenty of jobs elsewhere for the summer then come back.
Notice period is 3 months plus 6 month ban. You can come in if you are on the list of countries that get visit visas on arrival. You just cant gain employment.
UAE are removing the ban, as stated by the Minister, as no FTA can be reached with most countries with out that lifted of course things do happen here at there own pace here.
There are plenty of jobs elsewhere for the summer then come back.
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Flying Camel
Be careful, someone has just experienced the problems of the ban starting again if you enter the country, even if you are on the list of countries that get visit visas on arrival you might want to do a little more research!
I believe, in the situation where you have entered the country on a visit visa and your ban has started again, you then have to approach you previous employer for an NOC, back to square one or stay out of the country for the new ban. So much for the contract you signed.
Be careful, someone has just experienced the problems of the ban starting again if you enter the country, even if you are on the list of countries that get visit visas on arrival you might want to do a little more research!
I believe, in the situation where you have entered the country on a visit visa and your ban has started again, you then have to approach you previous employer for an NOC, back to square one or stay out of the country for the new ban. So much for the contract you signed.
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BTW, whoever mentioned that these DEC's were from "Air Cabbage?" Seems to me they are not giving out any more LOA's as they will be needing to recall right about now? So where is your info coming from?
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...Just received a letter from the big boss, company will stop two destinations deserved by the 767 by April. I don't know what does it mean in term of crew demands....for upgrade!!!!
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Colombo and Casablanca gone and now Jakarta reduced service because certain Arab companies steal and abuse workers and use inept labour laws to get away with it.
Sounds like Gulf Air.
Thank Goodness I have already have application sent out. It does not look good for Gulf Air Destinations cancelled and reduced, new destination not started and aircraft retuned.
Seen it before and the Airlines no longer exist but everything is OK
Sounds like Gulf Air.
Thank Goodness I have already have application sent out. It does not look good for Gulf Air Destinations cancelled and reduced, new destination not started and aircraft retuned.
Seen it before and the Airlines no longer exist but everything is OK