Etihad...they gotta be kidding
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Etihad...they gotta be kidding
Well, it seems so anyway.
Upon looking at the latest issue of 'Flight International' I notice that the above mentioned is recruiting Captains on the B777 (or A330/A340) with a salary package of...hello, are we listening?...US$5,300 - US$ 6,700.
Have they gone mad...as in, totally disconnected with reality?
The T&C in the middle-east is worse than I thought.
These folks are right and properly.....ah, well I gotta say so...out of their minds.
Or, more properly, 'disconnected from reality.'
Upon looking at the latest issue of 'Flight International' I notice that the above mentioned is recruiting Captains on the B777 (or A330/A340) with a salary package of...hello, are we listening?...US$5,300 - US$ 6,700.
Have they gone mad...as in, totally disconnected with reality?
The T&C in the middle-east is worse than I thought.
These folks are right and properly.....ah, well I gotta say so...out of their minds.
Or, more properly, 'disconnected from reality.'
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Hey c'mon guys, the salary might be cr@p, but think of the LIFESTYLE 
Uh.......on second thoughts
Then think of the big, shiney new airplane...yep, that's it...the BIG, shiney, new airplane.
And every payday, when you look at your p!ssy, miserable, salary, and it's time to pay the mortgages, close your eyes and think of that BIG, shiney, new airplane, and how GOOD you feel when you're in it
And keep dreaming. because the REALITY of the situation is, you'll be on the road to nowhere.
Well actually you'll already be living in nowhere, so just keep thinking of that BIG, shiney, new airplane, and how THAT was what started all your problems
Uh.......on second thoughts
Then think of the big, shiney new airplane...yep, that's it...the BIG, shiney, new airplane.
And every payday, when you look at your p!ssy, miserable, salary, and it's time to pay the mortgages, close your eyes and think of that BIG, shiney, new airplane, and how GOOD you feel when you're in it
And keep dreaming. because the REALITY of the situation is, you'll be on the road to nowhere.
Well actually you'll already be living in nowhere, so just keep thinking of that BIG, shiney, new airplane, and how THAT was what started all your problems
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Housing Allowance is what it says it is and not the same as Free Housing and Utilities. When you deduct Housing and Utility Costs the Package returns to very poor.
PS When on leave you are back on Basic Salary only don\'t forget.
PS When on leave you are back on Basic Salary only don\'t forget.
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And, i believe, they've just changed the pay from 'paid per rostered day' to now giving you 'Available Days', to whit you won't get paid for these. Corerct me if I am wrong, but this'll be a pretty big drop?
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mmmmmmmmm had not heard of the "available day" scheme....the housing take it in cash 5000aed, or company-provided in auh up to 7500aed limit, and the rest based on 700aed per rostered duty day..flying or rostered stby..this may have been changed, and is also based on one having a specific number of hours total, and on type....so if u take the supplied housing option, 700aed@22 days..and the higher of the two basic..it's 40,000 n small change....this figure does not include the 5000aed cash in leiu of company supplied housing if u opt for that...
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Good for the MAS guys, hapimus
While some see the salaries as a degradation to those being paid elsewhere, they are - as you point out - an INCREASE for MAS pilots willing to make the move to the sand, and thereby raising the (lower) base line of the pilots from there.
I believe that Malaysian has lost many, many pilots over the past few years, primarliy because they can achieve much greater reward for their skills in other countries.
The experience drain on MAS will show, in terms of efficiency of operations and incidents/accidents.
MAS will become even more mana ada sistem!!
While some see the salaries as a degradation to those being paid elsewhere, they are - as you point out - an INCREASE for MAS pilots willing to make the move to the sand, and thereby raising the (lower) base line of the pilots from there.
I believe that Malaysian has lost many, many pilots over the past few years, primarliy because they can achieve much greater reward for their skills in other countries.
The experience drain on MAS will show, in terms of efficiency of operations and incidents/accidents.
MAS will become even more mana ada sistem!!
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Etihad
Etihad is a good job for anyone in desperate need for a job, willing to build up hrs on types, willing to become a Commander soon rather waiting yrs elsewhere or coming from another Operator where the salary is much less attractive. It's all very personal.
Forget about lifestyles. The lifestyle here only applies to single guys without previous "family liabilities"... For married guys with kids, not single geographically, and as long as the 1st para. does not apply, just forget it for now!!!
Flying a brand new airplane is wonderful and all that nice stuff, but at the end of the month does not pay bills...
From sources on the spot, you've got yr basic salary, your duty allowance (around 22 a month if flying and sby). Education allowance varies a bit. At Secondary level, it's 17,500AEDs annually per child, max 3 children (maybe 18K???). How many schools charge that? The housing allowance is becoming a subsidy if nothing is done soon. Captains get 90 or 95K annually. There are landlords asking for 20 to 30% increases in the rent lease renewals... One can get the ca$h, but remember that is less money. Sharing accommodation is a good way to go for single guys. A move North may be good, but remember things are not cheaper there, and in fact on the way up rapidly.
To my personal disappointment, I wish good luck to those who join Etihad from other operators where the package is less attractive. That's the way things go. One always tries to inprove his own deal. Nothing wrong with it.
Operators want to cut expenses and they look for ways to do so. Whether the practices are rational, it's a different topic. Remember that these things are usually motivated by "bean-counters" in finance depts willing to show short-term results to meet short-term expectations and get immediate bonuses... In the long run they proved to be mistakes...
The Gulf is NO longer the golden mine for those who thought so.
Good luck to all.
Forget about lifestyles. The lifestyle here only applies to single guys without previous "family liabilities"... For married guys with kids, not single geographically, and as long as the 1st para. does not apply, just forget it for now!!!
Flying a brand new airplane is wonderful and all that nice stuff, but at the end of the month does not pay bills...
From sources on the spot, you've got yr basic salary, your duty allowance (around 22 a month if flying and sby). Education allowance varies a bit. At Secondary level, it's 17,500AEDs annually per child, max 3 children (maybe 18K???). How many schools charge that? The housing allowance is becoming a subsidy if nothing is done soon. Captains get 90 or 95K annually. There are landlords asking for 20 to 30% increases in the rent lease renewals... One can get the ca$h, but remember that is less money. Sharing accommodation is a good way to go for single guys. A move North may be good, but remember things are not cheaper there, and in fact on the way up rapidly.
To my personal disappointment, I wish good luck to those who join Etihad from other operators where the package is less attractive. That's the way things go. One always tries to inprove his own deal. Nothing wrong with it.
Operators want to cut expenses and they look for ways to do so. Whether the practices are rational, it's a different topic. Remember that these things are usually motivated by "bean-counters" in finance depts willing to show short-term results to meet short-term expectations and get immediate bonuses... In the long run they proved to be mistakes...
The Gulf is NO longer the golden mine for those who thought so.
Good luck to all.
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Guys/Gals,
You have to remember that in U.A.E you use Dirhams (or Riyals, etc) not Dollars. When you convert the Dollars into the local currency you get a very respectable salary. As ironbutt57 mentions it’s about 41000 which at the end of the day is as big as it sounds, at least in the U.A.E. Keep in mind that many people in the Arab world don't hear about such numbers and that even applies to ministers of some countries. So to a foreigner from the West the salary sounds horrible because it is not enough to cover mortgages, etc back home. But for the Middle East/ Gulf, that is a very good amount of money by any standard.
If you live in the Middle East/Gulf Area you do not need 41000 of any currency from any country to live a decent life (with the possible exception of rent).
About rent and land prices: I don't know about Gulf countries, but in Egypt if you are a foreigner (or an Arab from the Gulf) you pay x2 for anything (because even if you pay twice what an Egyptian/Middle Eastern would pay it still sounds ridiculously cheap), that could explain the expensive rent for some expats.
fractional said: The Gulf is NO longer the golden mine for those who thought so.
Actually it still is for Middle Easterns/ North Africans and maybe Asians (Middle East usually means Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc).
Life style is different in the Gulf. New Buildings/ shopping centers/ products. Some products are cheaper than at home. Other products are either not yet present where the expats come from (latest computers/games/home appliances etc) or are manufactured better (chocolates of the same brand could have different tastes!!! Or so my sister says). Well of course there is Modern Architecture in the Middle East and eventually they get the latest products after a few months or so, but everything lacks the glamour of the Gulf.
So perhaps the Gulf isn't the gold mine for Western People but still is for the countries around the Gulf. But the question remains where will they get type rated captains/ first officers from these areas??
Cheers
guybrush
You have to remember that in U.A.E you use Dirhams (or Riyals, etc) not Dollars. When you convert the Dollars into the local currency you get a very respectable salary. As ironbutt57 mentions it’s about 41000 which at the end of the day is as big as it sounds, at least in the U.A.E. Keep in mind that many people in the Arab world don't hear about such numbers and that even applies to ministers of some countries. So to a foreigner from the West the salary sounds horrible because it is not enough to cover mortgages, etc back home. But for the Middle East/ Gulf, that is a very good amount of money by any standard.
If you live in the Middle East/Gulf Area you do not need 41000 of any currency from any country to live a decent life (with the possible exception of rent).
About rent and land prices: I don't know about Gulf countries, but in Egypt if you are a foreigner (or an Arab from the Gulf) you pay x2 for anything (because even if you pay twice what an Egyptian/Middle Eastern would pay it still sounds ridiculously cheap), that could explain the expensive rent for some expats.
fractional said: The Gulf is NO longer the golden mine for those who thought so.
Actually it still is for Middle Easterns/ North Africans and maybe Asians (Middle East usually means Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, etc).
Life style is different in the Gulf. New Buildings/ shopping centers/ products. Some products are cheaper than at home. Other products are either not yet present where the expats come from (latest computers/games/home appliances etc) or are manufactured better (chocolates of the same brand could have different tastes!!! Or so my sister says). Well of course there is Modern Architecture in the Middle East and eventually they get the latest products after a few months or so, but everything lacks the glamour of the Gulf.
So perhaps the Gulf isn't the gold mine for Western People but still is for the countries around the Gulf. But the question remains where will they get type rated captains/ first officers from these areas??
Cheers
guybrush
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Moderate, Modest & Mild.
So with these "cheep cheep" salaries being paid, and with all other labour being as cheap as you say it is, guybrush, I guess tickets on Etihad must be CONSIDERABLY less than other competitors
They're NOT??!!
Funny about that!
They're NOT??!!
Funny about that!
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I would agree salary package at Etihad may be what it is being said in the last posting if the company provided staff expense-free housing and inproved the education one. Certainly a single guy wouldn't have the latter worry about. All the best...
P.S. After all. I was wrong the Gulf is not a gold mine but it's a land of opportunity... I wonder what these airlines will be if this trend in standards is maintained. I'm serious. Nonestly NO prejudice here.
P.S. After all. I was wrong the Gulf is not a gold mine but it's a land of opportunity... I wonder what these airlines will be if this trend in standards is maintained. I'm serious. Nonestly NO prejudice here.
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Think it's a case of whatever the freight will carry, i.e. they will only pay what they have to in order to get enough interest. Obviously there are enough applicants so no need to increase the package. I know it's not much consolation but remember there is no tax in the Gulf.
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Its funny how many of you have friends here, who tell you the package but then seems to tell you the wrong numbers! Seems to me its pprune in overdrive.
An average Captain is going to earn around $10,000 per month with an F/O about$ 6600. This is after around 20 days per month at work.
There is an option of either company housing, a 3/4 bedroom apt, or an allowance, 90k/85k for Capt and F/O.
Schooling is limited to 4 kids, not 3 and is up to 19K, if you want English Lang school its very close to covering that.
Plus a few other bits.
The idea is that you move to Abu Dhabi, not try to maintain your co-existance in your country of origin, if you have been to Abu you'll know its a good place to live where money goes a long way.
Maybe one or two should ask your friends where they get their facts from 'cause I know mine are true!!
An average Captain is going to earn around $10,000 per month with an F/O about$ 6600. This is after around 20 days per month at work.
There is an option of either company housing, a 3/4 bedroom apt, or an allowance, 90k/85k for Capt and F/O.
Schooling is limited to 4 kids, not 3 and is up to 19K, if you want English Lang school its very close to covering that.
Plus a few other bits.
The idea is that you move to Abu Dhabi, not try to maintain your co-existance in your country of origin, if you have been to Abu you'll know its a good place to live where money goes a long way.
Maybe one or two should ask your friends where they get their facts from 'cause I know mine are true!!
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For simple questions = simple answers. Again, depending on the "driver's" status there, Big Bus Boy has the right approach and figures. So he says.
Obviously, you are thinking of retiring there... because if you don't, and you are from Australasia, Europe or North America I can tell you "ends won't meet so well...", meaning your facts may be right, right NOW. I wonder if your accounts will after some time. Best of luck. 1 less to worry about.
Obviously, you are thinking of retiring there... because if you don't, and you are from Australasia, Europe or North America I can tell you "ends won't meet so well...", meaning your facts may be right, right NOW. I wonder if your accounts will after some time. Best of luck. 1 less to worry about.
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Kaptain M,
Why on Earth do you assume that I am implying that the salaries are cheap? I never said that. All I'm saying is that these salaries are attractive to many Middle Eastern natives.
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Why on Earth do you assume that I am implying that the salaries are cheap? I never said that. All I'm saying is that these salaries are attractive to many Middle Eastern natives.
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And please don't forget the Dhs v's the £UK, EU, AUS$ etc. It only sounds good if you're in love with US$. Otherwise it's a BIG, BIG drop in pay in relative terms over the last few years (not to mention inflation at 9% +, 25-35% house rental increases etc).
Do they offer exchange rate protection?
P.S Also heard a rumour that the UK Govt is looking at taxing expats. If that's the case..........
P.P.S As for looking attractive to M.E natives; recent local VERY annoyed that his compatriots in his old job get SIX MONTHS profit share. Oh for the love of flying.
Do they offer exchange rate protection?
P.S Also heard a rumour that the UK Govt is looking at taxing expats. If that's the case..........
P.P.S As for looking attractive to M.E natives; recent local VERY annoyed that his compatriots in his old job get SIX MONTHS profit share. Oh for the love of flying.
