Air Arabia - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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So now 3 FO's is an exodus? And FYI EY are not taking 320 rated guys.
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Said Ali
Air Arabia flies Airbus A320s and intends to buy single-aisle planes, either from Airbus's A320 family or Boeing's 737 models.
"We are talking to both companies and we will look at the best deal for the company," said Ali. "We will not mix fleets." Air Arabia will make a decision on the purchase of planes in six to eight months, said Ali, formerly an executive with British Airways.
The carrier, which started operations in October 2003 as the first low-cost carrier in the Middle East, said on January 22 that it applied for approval from the UAE regulatory authorities to go public this year, which would make it the first publicly traded airline in the Gulf.
The company plans to sell 55 per cent of its shares by June and use most of the money raised to purchase the planes. "Our objective of the initial public offering is to expand the size of the airline," Ali said.
"The money will not be used for any other purposes." Air Arabia's net income more than tripled in 2006 to $27.5 million (Dh101m) from a year earlier, he said. The airline carried 1.76 million passengers last year and its average passenger load factor increased from 72 per cent in October 2003, when it started operations, to 81 per cent in 2006, Ali said.
The airline flies to 32 destinations and wants to tap into the Indian market and former countries comprising former Soviet Union. (Bloomberg)
"We are talking to both companies and we will look at the best deal for the company," said Ali. "We will not mix fleets." Air Arabia will make a decision on the purchase of planes in six to eight months, said Ali, formerly an executive with British Airways.
The carrier, which started operations in October 2003 as the first low-cost carrier in the Middle East, said on January 22 that it applied for approval from the UAE regulatory authorities to go public this year, which would make it the first publicly traded airline in the Gulf.
The company plans to sell 55 per cent of its shares by June and use most of the money raised to purchase the planes. "Our objective of the initial public offering is to expand the size of the airline," Ali said.
"The money will not be used for any other purposes." Air Arabia's net income more than tripled in 2006 to $27.5 million (Dh101m) from a year earlier, he said. The airline carried 1.76 million passengers last year and its average passenger load factor increased from 72 per cent in October 2003, when it started operations, to 81 per cent in 2006, Ali said.
The airline flies to 32 destinations and wants to tap into the Indian market and former countries comprising former Soviet Union. (Bloomberg)
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"We will not mix fleets."
And jackbauser, what was that again you were saying about EY? Huh?
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Aa Intake With A320 Type Rating
I would like to know if airarabia recruits second officer pilots with a CPL & A320 type rating(self sponsored) but no hrs on type.
If so are there any min. flying hours?
feedback higly appreciated.
cheers.
If so are there any min. flying hours?
feedback higly appreciated.
cheers.
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Yes they do have a S/O program and a quite a number of S/Os have already finished their line work have been released to the line and are making some money. I am assuming you have the Type already. It really depends on how many hours you have? Have you any other experience: i.e. Flight Instructing, Charter, Small Corporate, Night Bank flying etc. It also depends on how tied up the training department is.
Right now there are a lot of F/O upgrades and training is really running at top speed. Any sim time and instructor time is going to those guys (as well as DECs coming from other airlines.) So to answer your question again, the answer is yes they do hire S/Os. What % I could not tell you and have no idea. Out of 150 pilots or so the last few years I’d say 7-10 were S/Os that came through and are now on the line or have moved on to other carriers. There are also 3 or 4 in the pipeline right now at various stages.
In reality, as with just about any job, it will come down to the interview. They like you and think you will fit into the operation, and then you’ll probably make it. But then that is just my opinion. Give it a shot, send the resume and fill out the application and all you can loose is a stamp and some time.
Burners and out!
Right now there are a lot of F/O upgrades and training is really running at top speed. Any sim time and instructor time is going to those guys (as well as DECs coming from other airlines.) So to answer your question again, the answer is yes they do hire S/Os. What % I could not tell you and have no idea. Out of 150 pilots or so the last few years I’d say 7-10 were S/Os that came through and are now on the line or have moved on to other carriers. There are also 3 or 4 in the pipeline right now at various stages.
In reality, as with just about any job, it will come down to the interview. They like you and think you will fit into the operation, and then you’ll probably make it. But then that is just my opinion. Give it a shot, send the resume and fill out the application and all you can loose is a stamp and some time.
Burners and out!
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Hi there Weasel,
Would you know if the S/O's get paid anything during their line training ? And also would you know how long the mandatory line training is for (100,200,300 etc. hrs) ?
Thanks
Would you know if the S/O's get paid anything during their line training ? And also would you know how long the mandatory line training is for (100,200,300 etc. hrs) ?
Thanks
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Have been out of the loop for a few months but will answer if you have not found out by now. Yes there is a time. I believe it is a couple hundred sectors for 2nd Officers. Probably will take the better part of a year because most TRIs like to do short sectors and not spend 6-8 hours flying for 1-2 sectors for a 2nd officer.
Don’t know the exact requirements for BAH guys but most of the pilot management is BAH so I would guess it would be a good shot for any guy from Manama.
Don’t know that about failing an Air Law exam, but most of the pilots are really good guys. Not too much arrogance but then again they are getting bigger and you don’t know what you’ll find. I believe you will get all the help you need between management and the pilot group to get through the exam. Now the line check that is a different story!
Burners & Out
Don’t know the exact requirements for BAH guys but most of the pilot management is BAH so I would guess it would be a good shot for any guy from Manama.
Don’t know that about failing an Air Law exam, but most of the pilots are really good guys. Not too much arrogance but then again they are getting bigger and you don’t know what you’ll find. I believe you will get all the help you need between management and the pilot group to get through the exam. Now the line check that is a different story!
Burners & Out
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AA-S/O Fresher FAA CPL/IR/ME
Hi! People, am wirting here for the first time seeking info from all you experienced people on Air Arabia Second officer recruitment.
I have just graduated with an FAA CPL/IR/ME... no type rating.Total time 230 hrs.
How should I prepare, what all should I study for the S/O interview?
Please help!!!
I am guessing , If i clear the interview they wil put me on an A320 since 737s are not coming anytime soon!
I have just graduated with an FAA CPL/IR/ME... no type rating.Total time 230 hrs.
How should I prepare, what all should I study for the S/O interview?
Please help!!!
I am guessing , If i clear the interview they wil put me on an A320 since 737s are not coming anytime soon!
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Dear sir,
thank you ,really appreaciate your reply
Assuming that I had to prepare for an S/O interview ,what preparation do I need to do in order to successfully clear the S/O selection process?
thank you ,really appreaciate your reply
Assuming that I had to prepare for an S/O interview ,what preparation do I need to do in order to successfully clear the S/O selection process?
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Hi fellows,
It would be very nice if a current Air Arabia Captain could tell us what the monthly average take home pay is.
Many thanks in advance and happy landings everybody.
Cheers.
It would be very nice if a current Air Arabia Captain could tell us what the monthly average take home pay is.
Many thanks in advance and happy landings everybody.
Cheers.
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Air Arabia New Pay Rate: Effective Jan 1, 2008
Captain Basic
Less then 1000 hrs in type = 21,000 Dhm/mo
1000 to 2000 hrs in type = 23,000 Dhm/mo
More then 2000 hrs in type = 27,500 Dhm/mo
Housing = 12,000 Dhm/mo a dedicated housing allowance so pilots who would like to benefit from the advanced pay can utilize the full amount in one lump sum.
Transportation = 1,000 Dhm/mo
Total fixed pay between 34,000 – 40,500 Dhm/ mo
Seniority increase = 500 Dhm on completion of one year and 1000 Dhm for every successive year to a maximum of 9,500 Dhm/mo
Education Allowance Total allowance up to a max of.100,000 Dhm. (75,000 Dhm for Outside UAE) for an academic year for all children within the age group of 4 to 18 years. There is no per child limit.
Flying Allowance Day flights will be paid @1 time the credit block hours allowance &Night flights will be paid @1.5 times the credit block hours allowance.
Credit Block Hours = Scheduled Two Sector Flight Time rounded to next highest hour. A Sharjah-Sana-Sharjah two sector trip has a scheduled block time of 2:35 Sharjah-Sana and 2:30 Sana-Sharjah for a trip total of 5:05. The credit block hours is 6 hours of pay.
Night Pay is the flying that commences between 1830- 0630 local no matter what time the trip ends. In the Sana, Yemen case above, the credit block hours is 1.5 the day credit block hours or 9 hours of pay in this Sana example if it departs between the hours designated as night. Approximately 39% of Air Arabia flying hours are night flying.
Flying Allowance Rate 1- 25 hrs = 30/hr; 26 -50 hrs = 60/hr; 51- 75 hrs = 120/hr; 76+ = 240/hr
Duty pay @ 10 Dhm/ actual flying duty hour
Day off Flying @ 280Dhm plus flying allowance rate
Annual Leave = 45 days
LOL, Death Insurance, Medical Insurance remains the same.
Sick and Personal Leave remain the same.
Annual Bonus = Unknown, but 2006 was 3 months.
Stock = Unknown, but last restricted award was 250,000 shares to captains with progressive vesting dates.
Synopses: The difference between flight time and credit time is apx 7.2% based upon Air Arabia’s schedule.
The differential between day and night pay is fair. The incentive for reduced flight times for the crew is large with the according benefit. The difference in potential pay is great but it depends upon the pilot’s personal desires. The pilot has the ability to choose between large salary and quality of life.
Should a pilot choose to maximize his/her pay the potential is great. A pilot can choose to fly 100 hours of night flights. 100 hours of actual flying is about 107.2 credit hours of flying.
Night flying is a 50% premium or 161 hours for pay. Using the productivity pay scale the pilot will earn 25,890 Dhm (750+1500+3000+20,640 Dhm.) plus duty pay (apx. 1,500 Dhm.) Adding that to the basic (for a 2,000+ Captain) the monthly salary would be 68,000 Dhm per month. The same flying in day would be 55,000 Dhm.
Caveat: there are several areas that must be addressed. The scenarios above are maximums to a degree. They do not take into account under flying which would allow the pilot to accumulate more credit block hours per actual hour flown. It also assumes the night legalities are adhered too but all in all it is a good example. It is possible to make more per month but the minimum is fairly accurate for a 100 hour flying month. Air Arabia pilots fly the legal maximum yearly = 900 block hours. The credited hours can be considerably higher.
Under flying is that amount of flying that is actually done below the scheduled flying. In other words in the Sana case above a pilot flying the 5:05 trip is paid 6 hours.
Assuming it would be possible (legalities etc) to fly this trip all month a pilot would be able to fly this 19.7 times in a month (20 times) and get paid for 120 hours. Should the pilot fly the flight in 4:30 per trip his pay is still 6 hours; however, he would be able to fly this 22.2 times a month. This would pay him 133.3 hours a month or a 13 hour premium for under fly. If this flying were all night flying (once again assuming legalities) the credit time would be 200 hours for pay. A pretty heavy pay check at 77,000+ Dhm!
AED (Dhm) = 3.66/$1US
No I’m not management, nor a recruiter.
Hope this helps but if it doesn’t, well there is always Martin-Baker!
Burners and Out!
Less then 1000 hrs in type = 21,000 Dhm/mo
1000 to 2000 hrs in type = 23,000 Dhm/mo
More then 2000 hrs in type = 27,500 Dhm/mo
Housing = 12,000 Dhm/mo a dedicated housing allowance so pilots who would like to benefit from the advanced pay can utilize the full amount in one lump sum.
Transportation = 1,000 Dhm/mo
Total fixed pay between 34,000 – 40,500 Dhm/ mo
Seniority increase = 500 Dhm on completion of one year and 1000 Dhm for every successive year to a maximum of 9,500 Dhm/mo
Education Allowance Total allowance up to a max of.100,000 Dhm. (75,000 Dhm for Outside UAE) for an academic year for all children within the age group of 4 to 18 years. There is no per child limit.
Flying Allowance Day flights will be paid @1 time the credit block hours allowance &Night flights will be paid @1.5 times the credit block hours allowance.
Credit Block Hours = Scheduled Two Sector Flight Time rounded to next highest hour. A Sharjah-Sana-Sharjah two sector trip has a scheduled block time of 2:35 Sharjah-Sana and 2:30 Sana-Sharjah for a trip total of 5:05. The credit block hours is 6 hours of pay.
Night Pay is the flying that commences between 1830- 0630 local no matter what time the trip ends. In the Sana, Yemen case above, the credit block hours is 1.5 the day credit block hours or 9 hours of pay in this Sana example if it departs between the hours designated as night. Approximately 39% of Air Arabia flying hours are night flying.
Flying Allowance Rate 1- 25 hrs = 30/hr; 26 -50 hrs = 60/hr; 51- 75 hrs = 120/hr; 76+ = 240/hr
Duty pay @ 10 Dhm/ actual flying duty hour
Day off Flying @ 280Dhm plus flying allowance rate
Annual Leave = 45 days
LOL, Death Insurance, Medical Insurance remains the same.
Sick and Personal Leave remain the same.
Annual Bonus = Unknown, but 2006 was 3 months.
Stock = Unknown, but last restricted award was 250,000 shares to captains with progressive vesting dates.
Synopses: The difference between flight time and credit time is apx 7.2% based upon Air Arabia’s schedule.
The differential between day and night pay is fair. The incentive for reduced flight times for the crew is large with the according benefit. The difference in potential pay is great but it depends upon the pilot’s personal desires. The pilot has the ability to choose between large salary and quality of life.
Should a pilot choose to maximize his/her pay the potential is great. A pilot can choose to fly 100 hours of night flights. 100 hours of actual flying is about 107.2 credit hours of flying.
Night flying is a 50% premium or 161 hours for pay. Using the productivity pay scale the pilot will earn 25,890 Dhm (750+1500+3000+20,640 Dhm.) plus duty pay (apx. 1,500 Dhm.) Adding that to the basic (for a 2,000+ Captain) the monthly salary would be 68,000 Dhm per month. The same flying in day would be 55,000 Dhm.
Caveat: there are several areas that must be addressed. The scenarios above are maximums to a degree. They do not take into account under flying which would allow the pilot to accumulate more credit block hours per actual hour flown. It also assumes the night legalities are adhered too but all in all it is a good example. It is possible to make more per month but the minimum is fairly accurate for a 100 hour flying month. Air Arabia pilots fly the legal maximum yearly = 900 block hours. The credited hours can be considerably higher.
Under flying is that amount of flying that is actually done below the scheduled flying. In other words in the Sana case above a pilot flying the 5:05 trip is paid 6 hours.
Assuming it would be possible (legalities etc) to fly this trip all month a pilot would be able to fly this 19.7 times in a month (20 times) and get paid for 120 hours. Should the pilot fly the flight in 4:30 per trip his pay is still 6 hours; however, he would be able to fly this 22.2 times a month. This would pay him 133.3 hours a month or a 13 hour premium for under fly. If this flying were all night flying (once again assuming legalities) the credit time would be 200 hours for pay. A pretty heavy pay check at 77,000+ Dhm!
AED (Dhm) = 3.66/$1US
No I’m not management, nor a recruiter.
Hope this helps but if it doesn’t, well there is always Martin-Baker!
Burners and Out!
Last edited by W Weasel; 11th Oct 2007 at 09:06.