Air Arabia - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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Air Arabia Hey I am working for Arabia and must say its a fantastic company to work for.
Just join and do what i am doing
stay one or two years and then move onto bigger and better things such as Emirates
it is easy once you are with Air Arabia they give you plenty of hours and training 
what better preparation to join Emirates
it is a walk in park 
I have already paved my way to EK so dont be afraid to try and you might make it as well.
So good Luck you all
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Hummmmm!!!!
I thought Emirates wasn't taking from Arabia. It is well known in the Gulf.
The same way Emptyhad is not taking anyone from Gulf Air and Qatari.
only time will tell.
I thought Emirates wasn't taking from Arabia. It is well known in the Gulf.
The same way Emptyhad is not taking anyone from Gulf Air and Qatari.
only time will tell.
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Last year two AA pilots applied with EK and they got thru. I don't know if there are anyone else leaving this year. Maybe M. Taher Saber can give us any info...
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Good day Cameltoe.
I know one of the pilots that came over and they say it was the best decision. A lot less work and much more money.
But it is funny how great you say Air Arabia is because several friends I know there are not happy at all. No rosters to speak of. Everyday is a roster change. Worked to the legal max every month and then some are forced to go on your annual vacation. Overtime pay is next to nothing also.
A couple of the FOs i know went there because they were told they were going to get a quick upgrade. that has slowed really down and since the pay at EK is much better a few are now applying to come over here.
Guess we will see if they are accepted....
I know one of the pilots that came over and they say it was the best decision. A lot less work and much more money.
But it is funny how great you say Air Arabia is because several friends I know there are not happy at all. No rosters to speak of. Everyday is a roster change. Worked to the legal max every month and then some are forced to go on your annual vacation. Overtime pay is next to nothing also.
A couple of the FOs i know went there because they were told they were going to get a quick upgrade. that has slowed really down and since the pay at EK is much better a few are now applying to come over here.
Guess we will see if they are accepted....
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G'day too, dxba330.
A bit funny what I said, but I am speaking about the company from my own point of view. I also mentioned that AA is low cost, and if you look at other LCC's in the Gulf region and even Asia, AA I think is comparatively better. I presume that you are flying with EK, and if you are happy where you are, then good for you. I am most certain though that not everyone there shares the same feeling as yours. So again, it all boils down to an individual's point of view.
I want you to know as well that I am a man of dignity and honor. To be honest with you, I also received invitations from both EK and EY, but I still have a contract to fulfill and I am legally and morally bound to honor it. If your friends are not happy in AA then by all means they can leave anytime and seek that elusive path to happiness. Air Arabia may have its own problems (e.g. rostering), which is quite typical for a new starter and the so-called "growing pains" as it is in the process of expanding. But these are solvable problems with doable solutions and do not speak about the whole company per se. The company I believe is looking after these problems and are particularly concerned about the welfare of its pilots. Rumours even have it that 3 or 4 months basic salary will be given as bonus. Where else can you find a company as generous as this? On average, Captains earn a minimum of 37000 dhms/mo and FOs get around 28000/mo. which to me is not so bad when you speak about a low cost company.
So please read again my previous post. I speak solely based on how I feel. Happiness, after all, is a relative thing.
Good day!
A bit funny what I said, but I am speaking about the company from my own point of view. I also mentioned that AA is low cost, and if you look at other LCC's in the Gulf region and even Asia, AA I think is comparatively better. I presume that you are flying with EK, and if you are happy where you are, then good for you. I am most certain though that not everyone there shares the same feeling as yours. So again, it all boils down to an individual's point of view.
I want you to know as well that I am a man of dignity and honor. To be honest with you, I also received invitations from both EK and EY, but I still have a contract to fulfill and I am legally and morally bound to honor it. If your friends are not happy in AA then by all means they can leave anytime and seek that elusive path to happiness. Air Arabia may have its own problems (e.g. rostering), which is quite typical for a new starter and the so-called "growing pains" as it is in the process of expanding. But these are solvable problems with doable solutions and do not speak about the whole company per se. The company I believe is looking after these problems and are particularly concerned about the welfare of its pilots. Rumours even have it that 3 or 4 months basic salary will be given as bonus. Where else can you find a company as generous as this? On average, Captains earn a minimum of 37000 dhms/mo and FOs get around 28000/mo. which to me is not so bad when you speak about a low cost company.
So please read again my previous post. I speak solely based on how I feel. Happiness, after all, is a relative thing.
Good day!
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You are not whom you claim!
Quote,"Air Arabia
Hey I am working for Arabia and must say its a fantastic company to work for. Just join and do what i am doing stay one or two years and then move onto bigger and better things such as Emirates it is easy once you are with Air Arabia they give you plenty of hours and training what better preparation to join Emirates it is a walk in park I have already paved my way to EK so dont be afraid to try and you might make it as well.
So good Luck you all"unquote
I am certain the above post is not by the person whose name has been used! This is against the basic PPrune membership rules. Who would brag like that? And the person with this post has nothing better to do
INV
Hey I am working for Arabia and must say its a fantastic company to work for.
Just join and do what i am doing stay one or two years and then move onto bigger and better things such as Emirates it is easy once you are with Air Arabia they give you plenty of hours and training what better preparation to join Emirates it is a walk in park I have already paved my way to EK so dont be afraid to try and you might make it as well. So good Luck you all
"unquoteI am certain the above post is not by the person whose name has been used! This is against the basic PPrune membership rules. Who would brag like that? And the person with this post has nothing better to do
INV
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Fujairah FROZEN ATPL
Hi all,
iv heard from many people, including an instructor at Fujairah aviation acadamy (in the UAE - Near Dubai), that Air Arabia, and other airlines in the UAE, possibly Emptyhad, and Emirates are looking at Fujairah to provide them with a steady stream of pilots as the airlines grow, since they cannot get enought nationals to train because there arnt many nationals in UAE
, and since many pilots are leaving because they are mistreated,
also amongst other problems including pay against the high inflation of the Dirham
, and housing problems.
im intresting in doing the 0-ATPL course there and try my luck so by the time i finish, they should be real desprete ...
anyone got anymore info?
regards,
Hamid_27
iv heard from many people, including an instructor at Fujairah aviation acadamy (in the UAE - Near Dubai), that Air Arabia, and other airlines in the UAE, possibly Emptyhad, and Emirates are looking at Fujairah to provide them with a steady stream of pilots as the airlines grow, since they cannot get enought nationals to train because there arnt many nationals in UAE
, and since many pilots are leaving because they are mistreated, also amongst other problems including pay against the high inflation of the Dirham , and housing problems. im intresting in doing the 0-ATPL course there and try my luck so by the time i finish, they should be real desprete
... anyone got anymore info?
regards,
Hamid_27
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G9 already fly to Tehran so we are only talking about an increase in frequency. They used to operate a Moscow but it didn't work, so if Armenian want to take it on from G9's Yerevan I am sure they will be happy to connect.
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psychometric test airarabia
hi all, any one done the psychometric test with airarabia? need help urgent regarding the test.thank you
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G9 aka ABY
Air Arabia has some real problems and some fantastic perks. From the pilots standpoint the major problems exist in several areas.
ABY is a money-making machine! Loads, to India especially, are in the 90+ %. Flights are full throughout the year. Once a new city opens, the flights quickly fill (within weeks) to 80% + load-factor. Growth is unbelievable and a large percentage of the Captains were first officers only a few years ago. These facts, lead to many of the complaints.
Currently there are 8 aircraft on property with one wet lease. 3 additional a/c are coming this year and if 2006 was an indicator the true number will likely be 4-5.
The Bad
1. Pay and benefits are not comparable to other carriers in the region (not even close.)
2. Pay is not commensurate to the amount of work the crews do.
3. Scheduling is horrific and little change is in sight. Comments like Air Arabia is a startup airline are no longer valid.
4. Housing pay is insufficient for the actual cost of living.
5. Leaders in HR are Indian nationals that feel pilots should live like other working Indians in the UAE.
6. Education reimbursement costs are extremely low and inadequate for anyone with children.
7. Work is extremely hard with an inordinate amount of flying between 10PM and 8AM local time at no extra pay.
8. There are no overnight rests (except for Colombo, Sri Lanka.)
9. No retirement and no travel benefits.
10. Medical horrible and no dental
The Good
1. The actual working environment (the cockpit) is a fun place to be.
2. Management lets you do your job and does not micromanage your performance.
3. The airplanes are all new and very well maintained (by most standards.)
4. Upgrades for F/Os are quick and usually within the time period mentioned when the pilot arrives (assuming the pilot has the credentials.)
5. Management is usually straight forward (except on the rates of pay.) What they say (while you may not like it) usually is what they mean and will do. Open doors at all levels from Fleet Manager to CEO.
6. A fully diverse pilot group. The Former Soviet Union is represented with Armenians to Ukrainians. Europe has Spanish, Irish, Belgians, Italians, French, Portuguese, and of course the British. The Americas are represented by Canadians, Brazilians, and Columbians. The Arab world ranges from Tunisians, Sudanese and Egyptians in Africa to Oman, Iranians and Emiratees in the East.
7. Pay is always on time and bonuses are within those of others. (Talk is this year it will be 4 months basic salary.)
8. For a young kid flight time is rapidly gained.
9. Paid annual leave ticket to your home of record for you, spouse and up to 3 children.
10. Talk of stock given in an IPO.
It appears the philosophy of Air Arabia is NOT to have long term employees. The turnover rate is extremely high. Pilots are constantly understaffed; however, proper staffing will result in large pay reductions for the remaining pilots. There have been a number of “cadet pilots” who have worked for no pay, but did get experience. After finishing their cadet status, they are brought on the seniority list and rapidly gain additional experience. Some of these have since left and gone to carriers like Easy Jet in Europe. Also, pilots who have never had command status before now have been upgraded to Captain. It is their first command and within three years they can have 2400 hours command time.
Now there is nothing from preventing a pilot for staying as long as he or she desires. Longevity raises are annual and while not included in your “basic salary” for reasons mentioned on other posts; the cash spends all the same. They have the largest number of female pilots (based upon the ratio of total pilots to female pilots) in the area. There is already an Arabic female Captain and the first female F/O is currently in her upgrade evaluation process.
A large percentage of the pilots are upset. I do feel management is aware of this situation and their course of action will determine the future. A pilot will work extremely hard flying 100 + hours every month and do 150 – 175 duty hours a month. While the print says “home every night,” that is misleading. Home is really only a short rest period, for the pilot has insufficient legal time to go to dinner and have a few drinks with his wife before he flies again. It is very common for a pilot to leave at 9PM and fly all night returning at 8AM the next morning. Then the pilot will go and fly again at 9PM that same evening. This will be done to the limits of the law (3 in a row and 4 in 7 days.)
The company also has the belief that a pilot should work a set number of days (which is getting harder to do.) The stated number of days off is 8 per month however; the flying is getting longer all the time. 9 hours flight time a day is very common in only two sectors and the company average is over 7 hours per day. Doing the math one can see that 100 hours does not add up to 22 days of work. As a result scheduling will have you fly long flights for most of the month and then fly short (DOH, BAH, MCT, KWI etc) flights to “fill” in the number of day. It is very common for a pilot to have 80 hours by the 15 of the month and then finish the month working 18-22 days at 95-100 hours. Two weeks of annual leave will still have you flying 45-60 hours.
Housing is a real issue and transportation is non existent. So for the most part that is it!
Burners and Out!
ABY is a money-making machine! Loads, to India especially, are in the 90+ %. Flights are full throughout the year. Once a new city opens, the flights quickly fill (within weeks) to 80% + load-factor. Growth is unbelievable and a large percentage of the Captains were first officers only a few years ago. These facts, lead to many of the complaints.
Currently there are 8 aircraft on property with one wet lease. 3 additional a/c are coming this year and if 2006 was an indicator the true number will likely be 4-5.
The Bad
1. Pay and benefits are not comparable to other carriers in the region (not even close.)
2. Pay is not commensurate to the amount of work the crews do.
3. Scheduling is horrific and little change is in sight. Comments like Air Arabia is a startup airline are no longer valid.
4. Housing pay is insufficient for the actual cost of living.
5. Leaders in HR are Indian nationals that feel pilots should live like other working Indians in the UAE.
6. Education reimbursement costs are extremely low and inadequate for anyone with children.
7. Work is extremely hard with an inordinate amount of flying between 10PM and 8AM local time at no extra pay.
8. There are no overnight rests (except for Colombo, Sri Lanka.)
9. No retirement and no travel benefits.
10. Medical horrible and no dental
The Good
1. The actual working environment (the cockpit) is a fun place to be.
2. Management lets you do your job and does not micromanage your performance.
3. The airplanes are all new and very well maintained (by most standards.)
4. Upgrades for F/Os are quick and usually within the time period mentioned when the pilot arrives (assuming the pilot has the credentials.)
5. Management is usually straight forward (except on the rates of pay.) What they say (while you may not like it) usually is what they mean and will do. Open doors at all levels from Fleet Manager to CEO.
6. A fully diverse pilot group. The Former Soviet Union is represented with Armenians to Ukrainians. Europe has Spanish, Irish, Belgians, Italians, French, Portuguese, and of course the British. The Americas are represented by Canadians, Brazilians, and Columbians. The Arab world ranges from Tunisians, Sudanese and Egyptians in Africa to Oman, Iranians and Emiratees in the East.
7. Pay is always on time and bonuses are within those of others. (Talk is this year it will be 4 months basic salary.)
8. For a young kid flight time is rapidly gained.
9. Paid annual leave ticket to your home of record for you, spouse and up to 3 children.
10. Talk of stock given in an IPO.
It appears the philosophy of Air Arabia is NOT to have long term employees. The turnover rate is extremely high. Pilots are constantly understaffed; however, proper staffing will result in large pay reductions for the remaining pilots. There have been a number of “cadet pilots” who have worked for no pay, but did get experience. After finishing their cadet status, they are brought on the seniority list and rapidly gain additional experience. Some of these have since left and gone to carriers like Easy Jet in Europe. Also, pilots who have never had command status before now have been upgraded to Captain. It is their first command and within three years they can have 2400 hours command time.
Now there is nothing from preventing a pilot for staying as long as he or she desires. Longevity raises are annual and while not included in your “basic salary” for reasons mentioned on other posts; the cash spends all the same. They have the largest number of female pilots (based upon the ratio of total pilots to female pilots) in the area. There is already an Arabic female Captain and the first female F/O is currently in her upgrade evaluation process.
A large percentage of the pilots are upset. I do feel management is aware of this situation and their course of action will determine the future. A pilot will work extremely hard flying 100 + hours every month and do 150 – 175 duty hours a month. While the print says “home every night,” that is misleading. Home is really only a short rest period, for the pilot has insufficient legal time to go to dinner and have a few drinks with his wife before he flies again. It is very common for a pilot to leave at 9PM and fly all night returning at 8AM the next morning. Then the pilot will go and fly again at 9PM that same evening. This will be done to the limits of the law (3 in a row and 4 in 7 days.)
The company also has the belief that a pilot should work a set number of days (which is getting harder to do.) The stated number of days off is 8 per month however; the flying is getting longer all the time. 9 hours flight time a day is very common in only two sectors and the company average is over 7 hours per day. Doing the math one can see that 100 hours does not add up to 22 days of work. As a result scheduling will have you fly long flights for most of the month and then fly short (DOH, BAH, MCT, KWI etc) flights to “fill” in the number of day. It is very common for a pilot to have 80 hours by the 15 of the month and then finish the month working 18-22 days at 95-100 hours. Two weeks of annual leave will still have you flying 45-60 hours.
Housing is a real issue and transportation is non existent. So for the most part that is it!
Burners and Out!
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Ab Initio
-Does AA induct non-national ab-initio cadets?
-How long does it take for a SO to get to an FO status?
-Are psycho. tests given much weightage?
Any help will be appreciated.
thanx,
mV8
-How long does it take for a SO to get to an FO status?
-Are psycho. tests given much weightage?
Any help will be appreciated.
thanx,
mV8
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to the guys who work at A Arabia:
just wondering if you could tell me if AA would possibly start taking on non nationals with no experience???
i'm currently doing my flight training in the UK and hope to finish this summer, i would love to work in the middle east and AA seems a good place to start for someone like me who wants to eventually work for Etihad, Gulf or EY!
IF you think its a possibility i can be considered when i've completed my training what kind of salary would i be looking at for the first few years?
Happy landings
just wondering if you could tell me if AA would possibly start taking on non nationals with no experience???
i'm currently doing my flight training in the UK and hope to finish this summer, i would love to work in the middle east and AA seems a good place to start for someone like me who wants to eventually work for Etihad, Gulf or EY!
IF you think its a possibility i can be considered when i've completed my training what kind of salary would i be looking at for the first few years?
Happy landings
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Recruitment at G9
Hi there,
I have a CASA CPL/Multi CIR with 270 hours total (inluding 60 multi). I was wondering if I would be eligible for recruitment into Air Arabia if I self sponsored an A320 Type Rating, and the relevant Airbus prescribed ELT (Entry Level Training - MCC + Jet Transition).
Any feedback in this regard would be greatly appreciated.
I have a CASA CPL/Multi CIR with 270 hours total (inluding 60 multi). I was wondering if I would be eligible for recruitment into Air Arabia if I self sponsored an A320 Type Rating, and the relevant Airbus prescribed ELT (Entry Level Training - MCC + Jet Transition).
Any feedback in this regard would be greatly appreciated.
