Emirates dec...whites only?
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Emirates dec...whites only?
Just spoke to a couple of guys who had the " white honour " of being called up for the EK dec interview. Both were told that they were not Ek material and were told to leave after 3 days! This despite one of them was a Senior Flight Instructor on the A340-300 (SQ-local chinese) with credible qualifications, not to mention being type rated. No reason was given.
The other guy was in the A330 with MH for the last 7 years and was an instructor pilot as well. I personally know both of them and they have a clean and credible past records.
During their interview, out of the 8 guys called during their session, only three of our " Northern Hemisphere" friends were asked to stay for the remaining 2 days. The other 5, 4 south asians and an african were told they were not successful. And none of those selected were type rated on any EK a/c! One has about 14000 hrs, mostly being from single engined piston, twin turbo prop and exec-jet command. The other guy had been out of the job for 36 months and has 737 command. Finally, our Canadian friend, jobless for the last 1 year has been around the world in a bizz jet!
What a shame if it is true!! Looks like the brits are safe guarding their positions by only taking their colour rated, but not type rated exellent pilots from Asia or Africa.
Anyone who share the same plight or care to comment???
The other guy was in the A330 with MH for the last 7 years and was an instructor pilot as well. I personally know both of them and they have a clean and credible past records.
During their interview, out of the 8 guys called during their session, only three of our " Northern Hemisphere" friends were asked to stay for the remaining 2 days. The other 5, 4 south asians and an african were told they were not successful. And none of those selected were type rated on any EK a/c! One has about 14000 hrs, mostly being from single engined piston, twin turbo prop and exec-jet command. The other guy had been out of the job for 36 months and has 737 command. Finally, our Canadian friend, jobless for the last 1 year has been around the world in a bizz jet!
What a shame if it is true!! Looks like the brits are safe guarding their positions by only taking their colour rated, but not type rated exellent pilots from Asia or Africa.
Anyone who share the same plight or care to comment???
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YOU are just about the most sorry XXX writing on this forum. Probably a teenager wannabe, trying to ignite a racial issue. Not gonna work here dude
EK has pilots from just about every country with an airplane....
Now run up to your room and make your homework. You are GROUNDED
EK has pilots from just about every country with an airplane....
Now run up to your room and make your homework. You are GROUNDED
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Thks for your comments.
But what CRM are we talking about? Are we saying that SQ has no CRM culture? Is the selection criteria solely based on CRM? Will this score more marks than proper relevent experience and flying skills and attitude? There is no way an airliner in any part of the world flies today with no CRM being practised, either direcly or indirectly.
Is it payback time for the expats who were previously "not so nicely" treated in SQ? I think that CRM knowledge can be imparted at any stage of one's flying career providing the pilots attitude is right.
Anyway EK pilots demonstrated thier superior CRM skills recently by hovering over Chennai for more than 30 minutes with a cargo fire warning whilst talking to maintenance on whether the warning was authentic.
But what CRM are we talking about? Are we saying that SQ has no CRM culture? Is the selection criteria solely based on CRM? Will this score more marks than proper relevent experience and flying skills and attitude? There is no way an airliner in any part of the world flies today with no CRM being practised, either direcly or indirectly.
Is it payback time for the expats who were previously "not so nicely" treated in SQ? I think that CRM knowledge can be imparted at any stage of one's flying career providing the pilots attitude is right.
Anyway EK pilots demonstrated thier superior CRM skills recently by hovering over Chennai for more than 30 minutes with a cargo fire warning whilst talking to maintenance on whether the warning was authentic.
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Whoa nelly!!!...,,
jonlie, seems like there is one huuuuuge chip on your shoulder.
just to second what payscale said, there are over 40 different nationalities in EK white brown black pink purple......
have first hand knowledge of what some (not all) of the senior ip's are like in your part of the world (i'm still there though not for long
)and they would probably fail the selection process for a night watchman let alone any credible airline.
Time to grow up and do something about that inferiority complex of yours.
(CRM in SQ?, HHMMMMM...)
jonlie, seems like there is one huuuuuge chip on your shoulder.
just to second what payscale said, there are over 40 different nationalities in EK white brown black pink purple......
have first hand knowledge of what some (not all) of the senior ip's are like in your part of the world (i'm still there though not for long
)and they would probably fail the selection process for a night watchman let alone any credible airline.Time to grow up and do something about that inferiority complex of yours.
(CRM in SQ?, HHMMMMM...)
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Jonlei I must agree with you. Yes there might be some asians there but they are nobody in the airline. Not one instructor or management position. All controled by WHITES and their proxies. What a shame the Arabs don't see this, that they are being colonize all over again. The so call DEC Whites have only one asset that is the buddy system with their WHITE friends at EK.
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Are these guys for real?
Please tell me they dont actually occupy the skies with us....please!
EK may be many things but it has an excellent track record regarding racial issues
There are some seriously twisted issues with these guys! Suffice to say they wont get past the psyco interview with EK
What worries me is perhaps they fly jets with all this angst as well...
Please tell me they dont actually occupy the skies with us....please!
EK may be many things but it has an excellent track record regarding racial issues
There are some seriously twisted issues with these guys! Suffice to say they wont get past the psyco interview with EK
What worries me is perhaps they fly jets with all this angst as well...
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Just for the record, EK has hired pilots from over 53 countries, and the Airbus Chief Pilot is not White. In my 25 years in aviation it has been my experience that the only people who pull the race card out of their hat are the ones who cannot fly, cannot get along with anyone out of their own race, (no matter what that race is) cannot accept the fact that they may have a problem getting along, and cannot understand why they are not getting hired! The assessment process at EK is 75-80% based on how well you can get along with the pilots hired from the 52 countries other than yours. As a former instructor with nearly 15000 hours in jets I very strongly believe: "You can take a bad pilot with a good attitude and have something to work with. But if you try to take a good pilot with a bad attitude, you will have nothing but trouble for yourself and your airline". Obviously, the selection process works.
You need to look inside and determine why you are not getting hired, and fix the problem. But to blame it on the race card is unfair, unjust, and unacceptable to most of us in this profession who care.
Grow up and look in the mirror. You just might not like what you see!
Oh and by the way: SQ are the masters at negative reinforcement.
Just for the record, EK has hired pilots from over 53 countries, and the Airbus Chief Pilot is not White. In my 25 years in aviation it has been my experience that the only people who pull the race card out of their hat are the ones who cannot fly, cannot get along with anyone out of their own race, (no matter what that race is) cannot accept the fact that they may have a problem getting along, and cannot understand why they are not getting hired! The assessment process at EK is 75-80% based on how well you can get along with the pilots hired from the 52 countries other than yours. As a former instructor with nearly 15000 hours in jets I very strongly believe: "You can take a bad pilot with a good attitude and have something to work with. But if you try to take a good pilot with a bad attitude, you will have nothing but trouble for yourself and your airline". Obviously, the selection process works.
You need to look inside and determine why you are not getting hired, and fix the problem. But to blame it on the race card is unfair, unjust, and unacceptable to most of us in this profession who care.
Grow up and look in the mirror. You just might not like what you see!
Oh and by the way: SQ are the masters at negative reinforcement.
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Fish,
You think we are stupid and naive, welll the locals at EK don't think so. Maybe that's why there was a minor reshuffle in the recriuting office. There is more to come. Maybe the Sheikh will have a look at the selection process. Numbers never lie. CRM is practise by all major airlines and most of them select candidates on merits. EK??????
You think we are stupid and naive, welll the locals at EK don't think so. Maybe that's why there was a minor reshuffle in the recriuting office. There is more to come. Maybe the Sheikh will have a look at the selection process. Numbers never lie. CRM is practise by all major airlines and most of them select candidates on merits. EK??????
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It is no secret that the Sheikh and the government would like to see more locals/non white people in the company. They spend a lot of money trying to entice Emiratis into all types of fields, and aviation is one of them. Quite rightly too as it is their country and their airline. In the fullness of time i would expect that all major management positions will be held by locals, which is as it should be. Whether that is the best thing for the airline or not is irrelevent, it is their train set.
There is one thing he can't afford to have though, and that is a smoking hole in the ground. To hire pilots into this company, based primarily on race will undoubtedly increase the risk of that happening. So you can be safely assured that he is unlikely to interfere with recruiting other than to continue to encourage locals to apply. Bearing in mind that they go through a similar selection process to everyone else.
The reason we recruit as we do, is because the ability to get along with most people is a higher priority than having huge amounts of hours. And as it happens, we have managed to draw these people from over 50 different nationalities. You can draw your own conclusions from that as to why there is a higher failure rate amongst people from your part of the world.
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It is no secret that the Sheikh and the government would like to see more locals/non white people in the company. They spend a lot of money trying to entice Emiratis into all types of fields, and aviation is one of them. Quite rightly too as it is their country and their airline. In the fullness of time i would expect that all major management positions will be held by locals, which is as it should be. Whether that is the best thing for the airline or not is irrelevent, it is their train set.
There is one thing he can't afford to have though, and that is a smoking hole in the ground. To hire pilots into this company, based primarily on race will undoubtedly increase the risk of that happening. So you can be safely assured that he is unlikely to interfere with recruiting other than to continue to encourage locals to apply. Bearing in mind that they go through a similar selection process to everyone else.
The reason we recruit as we do, is because the ability to get along with most people is a higher priority than having huge amounts of hours. And as it happens, we have managed to draw these people from over 50 different nationalities. You can draw your own conclusions from that as to why there is a higher failure rate amongst people from your part of the world.
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Can’t help but think that the two Malaysian posters on this site have seen what their recently retired PM got away with for years on the world stage in blaming ‘whites’ for every problem he and his cronies ever had and they’ve made the mistake of thinking such tosh will wash here.
The good Doctor M. could get away with the rubbish he peddled in the UN and the New Straits Times because he was dealing with diplomats and small ‘l’ liberals who still seem to think ‘allowances’ have to be made for the ‘poor, oppressed people’ of ex-colonies who are still ‘suffering’ – 50 *** years after most of their countries achieved or were granted independence – from the ‘depredations’ which continue to be ‘inflicted’ upon their countries by the ‘neo-colonists’ (give me strength – the biggest depredations inflicted upon such countries post-independence are usually done so by the native born leadership of said countries.).
EK has its faults, but racial discrimination within the expatriate pilot ranks is definitely not one of them (although everyone hates the Brits. Just joking). If, as an expat pilot, you can jump through the hoops the company sets for all applicants for a particular job, before or after you are employed, you are employed or promoted whatever your skin colour or accent is.
If the posters who ‘know’ how racist and ‘white-dominated’ EK is, why in the world do they want join a company where they ‘know’ they’ll be so unfairly treated because of the colour of their skin? Seems to me someone’s failed Logic 101.
– or perhaps CRM 101.
The good Doctor M. could get away with the rubbish he peddled in the UN and the New Straits Times because he was dealing with diplomats and small ‘l’ liberals who still seem to think ‘allowances’ have to be made for the ‘poor, oppressed people’ of ex-colonies who are still ‘suffering’ – 50 *** years after most of their countries achieved or were granted independence – from the ‘depredations’ which continue to be ‘inflicted’ upon their countries by the ‘neo-colonists’ (give me strength – the biggest depredations inflicted upon such countries post-independence are usually done so by the native born leadership of said countries.).
EK has its faults, but racial discrimination within the expatriate pilot ranks is definitely not one of them (although everyone hates the Brits. Just joking). If, as an expat pilot, you can jump through the hoops the company sets for all applicants for a particular job, before or after you are employed, you are employed or promoted whatever your skin colour or accent is.
If the posters who ‘know’ how racist and ‘white-dominated’ EK is, why in the world do they want join a company where they ‘know’ they’ll be so unfairly treated because of the colour of their skin? Seems to me someone’s failed Logic 101.
– or perhaps CRM 101.
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Guys you all assume I'm asian. My Ass is just as WHITE as yours.
I'm an expat with a major airline in Asia. Living in this country for the last 9 years. Love it and so does my family. I know one of the Guys that went for the DEC interview at EK. He was my FO and now Instructor on another fleet. His qualification is second to none. And what he told me about the other guys background well I find this puzzling, he was not selected. Some of the comments from my WHITE Brothers are disturbing, but then again it shows their true character. Candidates are selected on mainly how well they get along with others. Hey maybe I should apply with EK. Only narrowbody time but what the hell, it is insignificant. I get along well with others even Asians. But then again moving to the Sandpit and the attitude some pilots has at EK I much better of here. Cheers I going to the pub with my Asians friends. Y'all take care now.
I'm an expat with a major airline in Asia. Living in this country for the last 9 years. Love it and so does my family. I know one of the Guys that went for the DEC interview at EK. He was my FO and now Instructor on another fleet. His qualification is second to none. And what he told me about the other guys background well I find this puzzling, he was not selected. Some of the comments from my WHITE Brothers are disturbing, but then again it shows their true character. Candidates are selected on mainly how well they get along with others. Hey maybe I should apply with EK. Only narrowbody time but what the hell, it is insignificant. I get along well with others even Asians. But then again moving to the Sandpit and the attitude some pilots has at EK I much better of here. Cheers I going to the pub with my Asians friends. Y'all take care now.
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Well, it took me 5 years to get an interview after my first application, I had about 6000 hours widebody time.
Australians and english got interviews with much less experience than that because of their passports, but that has all changed the last couple of years, now anybody with a good experience can get an interview.
I respect the recruiting team, the are from many different countries and they do a great job ( they only screwed up when they hired me).
Just heard the boss of recruiting, a POM, has resigned because he was told by TCK to lower the standards, he showed us that he has a backbone and I respect him for that, hope he doesn't give up training, we would all miss him.
The management of EK sucks and doesn't give a shi* about their pilots, but I can tell you the pilots are great to work with and I enjoyed the righthand seat with all these different cultures in the flightdeck.
Australians and english got interviews with much less experience than that because of their passports, but that has all changed the last couple of years, now anybody with a good experience can get an interview.
I respect the recruiting team, the are from many different countries and they do a great job ( they only screwed up when they hired me).
Just heard the boss of recruiting, a POM, has resigned because he was told by TCK to lower the standards, he showed us that he has a backbone and I respect him for that, hope he doesn't give up training, we would all miss him.
The management of EK sucks and doesn't give a shi* about their pilots, but I can tell you the pilots are great to work with and I enjoyed the righthand seat with all these different cultures in the flightdeck.
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Did everyone else miss this?
So your FO didn't get an interview for Direct Entry Command? Or are you saying you flew with this guy some time ago, and he has now advanced to have the command requirement? Either way, how do you know what he is like as a Captain?
You also claim to live in Malaysia, yet are not Malaysian, and are pointing the finger at others over perceived racism? Check your own backyard, where racism is institutionalised. Obviously you're not Chinese Malaysian, are you?
I know one of the Guys that went for the DEC interview at EK. He was my FO
You also claim to live in Malaysia, yet are not Malaysian, and are pointing the finger at others over perceived racism? Check your own backyard, where racism is institutionalised. Obviously you're not Chinese Malaysian, are you?
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jonlei,
I stand by you something is not right there and the minute somebody protests a whole lot of people pounce on him to shut him up . Do you think the tones were civil . If some of them wanted a job where you are now how do you think their tones would have been to you.Some thing better I think.CRM.
I stand by you something is not right there and the minute somebody protests a whole lot of people pounce on him to shut him up . Do you think the tones were civil . If some of them wanted a job where you are now how do you think their tones would have been to you.Some thing better I think.CRM.