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Yeah,
And I am one of the 27. Just found out on Friday.
But I did not realise the conditions were alot less than a normal Capt at EK. Not that I expect to be treated as an EK Capt as I have not even been there 1 minute. But EK Capt's are paid about the market rate. I therefore declined the offer as I get paid slightly more in my current job. Why would I move? You have to make it attractive. Anyway after I declined the offer I was rung up by someone from EK. I think fairly senior but do not want to mentiion his name. Was asked why. I gave it to him straight, that while there are pilots out there looking for work, you should not take advantage of the situation. Look what has just happened to Silk Air. During SARS they saw an opportunity to reduce wages further (also SQ). But now Silk Air are in big problems. They have had a mass exodus and have notified their travel agents that certain services will be suspended till further notice.
I would rather have joined as an FO.
A colleague of mine, if also offered ajob will decline the offer.
And I am one of the 27. Just found out on Friday.
But I did not realise the conditions were alot less than a normal Capt at EK. Not that I expect to be treated as an EK Capt as I have not even been there 1 minute. But EK Capt's are paid about the market rate. I therefore declined the offer as I get paid slightly more in my current job. Why would I move? You have to make it attractive. Anyway after I declined the offer I was rung up by someone from EK. I think fairly senior but do not want to mentiion his name. Was asked why. I gave it to him straight, that while there are pilots out there looking for work, you should not take advantage of the situation. Look what has just happened to Silk Air. During SARS they saw an opportunity to reduce wages further (also SQ). But now Silk Air are in big problems. They have had a mass exodus and have notified their travel agents that certain services will be suspended till further notice.
I would rather have joined as an FO.
A colleague of mine, if also offered ajob will decline the offer.
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Laury
What is your current rating?
Could you be specific about the salary? Cash and benefits how much that adds up? The number of kids is an important factor on the equation. No kids buuuu , 5 that is a good subsidy!
How long did u had to wait after you sent your Cv?
To all:
How does an average monthly schedule look like? How many days off and how many nights abroad?
How many hours?
Over time after 70, 75?
How much do you guys save, assuming your live style is not from the jet set? Meals here and there, groceries, clothing, etc.
In this society do you feel welcomed? Do people support each other if needed?
The schools have enough space for new comers? Do EK give you a hand in case you dont find a school?
What is the feeling about terrorism in the UAE?
What is the difference between the villa offered by EK and the option of the subsidy to get housing your self? (if this the case)
And any other valuable info will be wellcomed.
Thanks
What is your current rating?
Could you be specific about the salary? Cash and benefits how much that adds up? The number of kids is an important factor on the equation. No kids buuuu , 5 that is a good subsidy!
How long did u had to wait after you sent your Cv?
To all:
How does an average monthly schedule look like? How many days off and how many nights abroad?
How many hours?
Over time after 70, 75?
How much do you guys save, assuming your live style is not from the jet set? Meals here and there, groceries, clothing, etc.
In this society do you feel welcomed? Do people support each other if needed?
The schools have enough space for new comers? Do EK give you a hand in case you dont find a school?
What is the feeling about terrorism in the UAE?
What is the difference between the villa offered by EK and the option of the subsidy to get housing your self? (if this the case)
And any other valuable info will be wellcomed.
Thanks
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Laury
Giving you the benifit of the doubt, and assuming that what you say is fact, then you have done us a great favour.
I realise that you were only looking after your own best interests, but the language you spoke is the only one EK understands. The only problem is we cant speak it. So thanks, and I hope your small input has some positive effect for us, and best of luck to you in your career.
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The Rev
Giving you the benifit of the doubt, and assuming that what you say is fact, then you have done us a great favour.
I realise that you were only looking after your own best interests, but the language you spoke is the only one EK understands. The only problem is we cant speak it. So thanks, and I hope your small input has some positive effect for us, and best of luck to you in your career.
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HELLO EVERYONE
I GOT THE INFORMATION FROM EK GUYS THAT I AM ON THE FAMOUS "HOLD POOL". IT IS GONNA MAKE 2 YEARS NOW!!
I AM ICAO ATP, 11.000+ TOTAL, 6.000+ ON 767 AND CURRENT ON 737NG, ABOUT 1.800.
WHAT KIND OF PILOT THEY WANT TO BE FLYING THERE? ASTRONAUTS!!!
IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH SOUTH AMERICAN PEOPLE OVER THERE?
SOMEONE PLEASE, MAKE IT CLEAR TO ME.
SAFE FLITES.
WOW,
AND I FORGOT TO SAY THAT MY APPLICATION WAS FOR F.O.!!!!!!
I GOT THE INFORMATION FROM EK GUYS THAT I AM ON THE FAMOUS "HOLD POOL". IT IS GONNA MAKE 2 YEARS NOW!!
I AM ICAO ATP, 11.000+ TOTAL, 6.000+ ON 767 AND CURRENT ON 737NG, ABOUT 1.800.
WHAT KIND OF PILOT THEY WANT TO BE FLYING THERE? ASTRONAUTS!!!
IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH SOUTH AMERICAN PEOPLE OVER THERE?
SOMEONE PLEASE, MAKE IT CLEAR TO ME.
SAFE FLITES.
WOW,
AND I FORGOT TO SAY THAT MY APPLICATION WAS FOR F.O.!!!!!!
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My dear Fish,
I hope you are fine.
I had no intetion to be shouting when I put my statement on PPRUNE.
I will try not to make this mistake on my future replys.
Take care budy!
I hope you are fine.
I had no intetion to be shouting when I put my statement on PPRUNE.
I will try not to make this mistake on my future replys.
Take care budy!
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Rev Dr D Yes thank Laury by all means but also people like me and a few others who highlighted the arrogance of EK thinking that rated A340 Captains such as myself would drop everything and come rushing to EK begging for a job!!
When these jobs were first advertised I thought they were short term contract jobs filling in,and that the pay would be appropriate. As soon as I saw they were looking for permanent Captains and seeing what the Payscales were I lost total interest as did many others hence EK are now ending up with egg on their faces.
I hope you all in EK end up benefitting in some way from this futile exercise.
When these jobs were first advertised I thought they were short term contract jobs filling in,and that the pay would be appropriate. As soon as I saw they were looking for permanent Captains and seeing what the Payscales were I lost total interest as did many others hence EK are now ending up with egg on their faces.
I hope you all in EK end up benefitting in some way from this futile exercise.
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millers
I hear your point.
The way i see it is that Laury actually came here and did the interview, got the job, and told EK directly that the package was unacceptable. That has a lot more impact than someone telling the world, via an anonymous forum, that they think the EK package is beneath them. Chances are you may not have got selected anyway, then all your chest beating would be worthless.
The statement has far more impact when it is from someone who is turning down a job offer. That is why i chose to mention Laury in dispatches and not you.
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The Rev
I hear your point.
The way i see it is that Laury actually came here and did the interview, got the job, and told EK directly that the package was unacceptable. That has a lot more impact than someone telling the world, via an anonymous forum, that they think the EK package is beneath them. Chances are you may not have got selected anyway, then all your chest beating would be worthless.
The statement has far more impact when it is from someone who is turning down a job offer. That is why i chose to mention Laury in dispatches and not you.
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I don't think they have processed 27 yet,just started alittle over a week ago.
Good to see guys turning it down
Make it better for everyone
Correct me if I'm wrong but they start the DEC's at level 1 Capt @21000dirs/m
Of Info- O/T 400dirs/hour(capt) based on how many days in the month but @ 82. good mix of 1 day and 2-3 day trips(330) 340-500 is planned to do 5 day SYN/AKL. Bid system to change in Jan, right 5 group rotation will go to 7,this will help the DEC's as they will be at the bottem of there groups, as FO's are upgraded they will assume there spot based on DOH( only time DOH applies).
There is about 250 capt now will go to about 350 divide by 7 @50/ group, the DEC's would be in the bottem 10 in each group, that could effect you bidding.
Lifesytle in DXB is very good and safe, some find it costly and some find it about the same as where they come from. Most Capt are able to save the diff between FO and Capt, company puts in 12 % with your 5% on top of that.
Villa's are always the wild card,they get asigned and if you don't like it tuff ,take the 95K and move out on your own , most guys add about 3k/month to get somthing the family will like, that goes for buying or renting. If you buy you have to come up with 30% down/30% in 1 year/30% on closing (I think that's close).
more later
Good to see guys turning it down
Make it better for everyone
Correct me if I'm wrong but they start the DEC's at level 1 Capt @21000dirs/m
Of Info- O/T 400dirs/hour(capt) based on how many days in the month but @ 82. good mix of 1 day and 2-3 day trips(330) 340-500 is planned to do 5 day SYN/AKL. Bid system to change in Jan, right 5 group rotation will go to 7,this will help the DEC's as they will be at the bottem of there groups, as FO's are upgraded they will assume there spot based on DOH( only time DOH applies).
There is about 250 capt now will go to about 350 divide by 7 @50/ group, the DEC's would be in the bottem 10 in each group, that could effect you bidding.
Lifesytle in DXB is very good and safe, some find it costly and some find it about the same as where they come from. Most Capt are able to save the diff between FO and Capt, company puts in 12 % with your 5% on top of that.
Villa's are always the wild card,they get asigned and if you don't like it tuff ,take the 95K and move out on your own , most guys add about 3k/month to get somthing the family will like, that goes for buying or renting. If you buy you have to come up with 30% down/30% in 1 year/30% on closing (I think that's close).
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Thx
Some clarification pls:
The 12% plus the 5 just will be available in 7 years time, so I want to concentrate on the monthly payment.
Saving is the diff between Cap and Fo = 24k -17k =7k. Is a fact that u spend 17k in the most basic needs of a daily life? Sounds expensive....
About flying just tell me how many nights abroad or at home per month. The bidding will come with time.
95K per year ? Every year or just one installmanet?
How much to buy a house? Can anyone buy or depends on nationality
What is DOH?
Some clarification pls:
The 12% plus the 5 just will be available in 7 years time, so I want to concentrate on the monthly payment.
Saving is the diff between Cap and Fo = 24k -17k =7k. Is a fact that u spend 17k in the most basic needs of a daily life? Sounds expensive....
About flying just tell me how many nights abroad or at home per month. The bidding will come with time.
95K per year ? Every year or just one installmanet?
How much to buy a house? Can anyone buy or depends on nationality
What is DOH?
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DOH -- Date of hire
Most FO's need to spend what they make for the first 6 months, we spend @ 3000/m on food, 1000/m eating out, gas is cheap, car loan 3-4ooo/m,at least 2000/year per child for school,golf 2700/year or 425/m your wife can get the same deal.Thing like TV and sound systems and additional funriture eats up the cash at first.
The 12 % plus 5% starts from day one(Idon't think DEC's will be any different) you have to wait 7 years do take 100% of what the company puts in,before that is a lesser amount but can't think of it yet. 17K - 2k( fo 5%) = 15000-3000-3000-abit more and you are not saving much and like I said the first 6 months there is other things for the villa.
95K /year if you like to use for rent or buy.
To buy a villa ie: lakes 1.2 to 1.5mil you can go way higher
An apartment ie:greens @ 6-900000
To rent in the Lakes 4 bedroom aroud 120K + utilties
The new bidding system I am told will only allow 4 days off in a row, I spend at most 6 nights away ie: am dep to the EU 24ish off back the next evening 14-16hrs credit 80 hour month.
There is longer layovers but guys then to want those by choice.
This month one layover the rest long day turns 8-10hrs/day
Most FO's need to spend what they make for the first 6 months, we spend @ 3000/m on food, 1000/m eating out, gas is cheap, car loan 3-4ooo/m,at least 2000/year per child for school,golf 2700/year or 425/m your wife can get the same deal.Thing like TV and sound systems and additional funriture eats up the cash at first.
The 12 % plus 5% starts from day one(Idon't think DEC's will be any different) you have to wait 7 years do take 100% of what the company puts in,before that is a lesser amount but can't think of it yet. 17K - 2k( fo 5%) = 15000-3000-3000-abit more and you are not saving much and like I said the first 6 months there is other things for the villa.
95K /year if you like to use for rent or buy.
To buy a villa ie: lakes 1.2 to 1.5mil you can go way higher
An apartment ie:greens @ 6-900000
To rent in the Lakes 4 bedroom aroud 120K + utilties
The new bidding system I am told will only allow 4 days off in a row, I spend at most 6 nights away ie: am dep to the EU 24ish off back the next evening 14-16hrs credit 80 hour month.
There is longer layovers but guys then to want those by choice.
This month one layover the rest long day turns 8-10hrs/day
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I have been asked to attend an interview for a DEC position.
I just noticed the comment in "Laury's" post that the pay is "a lot less than a "normal" EK Captain's pay".
Is it not the same pay scale/benefits etc., except starting at the bottom rung? Could someone please clarify this for me.
I just noticed the comment in "Laury's" post that the pay is "a lot less than a "normal" EK Captain's pay".
Is it not the same pay scale/benefits etc., except starting at the bottom rung? Could someone please clarify this for me.
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Mack Number, that is correct. First rung Captains salary.
In regard to the provident fund, I am pretty sure that if you left under 7 years you would get everything. However, the company is not under any obligation give it all to you. Their obligation would be to give you back your contributions (the 5% that was yours - although that might be worth little on past performance!) and the Governments legal end of service benefit which I am not sure of sorry. It is something like 2-3 weeks salary per year of service. This is of course less than the 12% they were paying on your behalf, but they cannot legally give you less than this.
In regard to the provident fund, I am pretty sure that if you left under 7 years you would get everything. However, the company is not under any obligation give it all to you. Their obligation would be to give you back your contributions (the 5% that was yours - although that might be worth little on past performance!) and the Governments legal end of service benefit which I am not sure of sorry. It is something like 2-3 weeks salary per year of service. This is of course less than the 12% they were paying on your behalf, but they cannot legally give you less than this.
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sandpit-Thank you for clarifying that for me. I'm young enough to be there a lot more than 7 years. I guess it's the retired 55 yr. olds that have to worry about any 7 year cut off for the provident fund. No problem for me starting at the bottom rung of the Captain's payscale-it's what I expected.
AlfaMike-Yes, I am A340 rated.
AlfaMike-Yes, I am A340 rated.
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Hello everyone
I was told that school for the kids should be a hard time to find in Dubai area. I have two, 14 and 11. I am afraid I would be not able to afford american neither british schools there. Any information on the E.I.S.? Does the education allowance cover it?
ThanX 'n' safe flites.
NG
I was told that school for the kids should be a hard time to find in Dubai area. I have two, 14 and 11. I am afraid I would be not able to afford american neither british schools there. Any information on the E.I.S.? Does the education allowance cover it?
ThanX 'n' safe flites.
NG
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Schools...
The School allowance is basically tailored to E.I.S. Ie. they cover it. However, according to EK policy you are required to cover a minimum of 5% yourself. Just got our two kids into EIS. They are full in some classes. Availability exists in others. EK will help you to put "the pressure" on the school if they don't take your kids though. At EIS the EK kids "jump" the que even.
Tajfa
The School allowance is basically tailored to E.I.S. Ie. they cover it. However, according to EK policy you are required to cover a minimum of 5% yourself. Just got our two kids into EIS. They are full in some classes. Availability exists in others. EK will help you to put "the pressure" on the school if they don't take your kids though. At EIS the EK kids "jump" the que even.
Tajfa
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Hi,
as a co- pilot I can save around the 7000 Dhs/month mark. The money isn't a vast amount, slightly more than I made in the Uk. It would be very easy to try and live beyond one's means in Dubai, thus I always try to remember Champagne lifestyle, lemonade money,
Rgds
as a co- pilot I can save around the 7000 Dhs/month mark. The money isn't a vast amount, slightly more than I made in the Uk. It would be very easy to try and live beyond one's means in Dubai, thus I always try to remember Champagne lifestyle, lemonade money,
Rgds
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saving in DXB
Chokdee
Chokdee
Hi you save 7K /m. How many are in your family?
Did you take the villa from EK or did you take the 95k housing allowance to look for your self regarding houses.
Are ALL the schools full?
What is beside American or British school?
All of you out there:
Any no type rated, no wide body experience captain called for interview?
Mach Number:
How long did it take to get the interview from the date you applied?
Fatbus:
Thanks for all the info. I sent you a private message but it seams you did not get it check it out. How many are in your family?
Again thanks for sharing the info with an outsider
Happy LNGS!
Chokdee
Hi you save 7K /m. How many are in your family?
Did you take the villa from EK or did you take the 95k housing allowance to look for your self regarding houses.
Are ALL the schools full?
What is beside American or British school?
All of you out there:
Any no type rated, no wide body experience captain called for interview?
Mach Number:
How long did it take to get the interview from the date you applied?
Fatbus:
Thanks for all the info. I sent you a private message but it seams you did not get it check it out. How many are in your family?
Again thanks for sharing the info with an outsider
Happy LNGS!
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Hi,
co pilots get 85000 dhs towards their housing allowance if they opt out of the company offer. I chose to stay in the company accomodation which I am really pleased with. I have a young baby, so no school yet, but would expect to save less as the kids arrive !.
Rgds.
co pilots get 85000 dhs towards their housing allowance if they opt out of the company offer. I chose to stay in the company accomodation which I am really pleased with. I have a young baby, so no school yet, but would expect to save less as the kids arrive !.
Rgds.
