Re: Liberalizing medical requirements
 

Hello folks,

Good to see that people are trying to add to the discussion. One thing that has become clear to me is that things are still fluid, and that the people (AME's) who are going to be working under the new rules are not certain on what is all going to change and how.

I tried to pry some more information about the changes from the eye specialist. He was being his vague self. And I did not get a coherent answer from the fellow. Obviously the institutes are a bit worried about the changes in the sense that less tests will need to be done (meaning less money to make), and the reduction in the number of medicals required (especially the over 40 crowd) is going to have a significant effect on the revenue side. Meaning less staffing for the institute. This seems to be utmost in peoples mind at the medical institute. I guess first things first. We are a revenue engine to them, not people who are there to get their ticket punched for another year of six months so we can provide for our families.

Hope things will become clear shortly. Greetings O.

Re: Liberalizing medical requirements
 

JAA is Strict...

But Malaysian's DCA Class-1 is Even Stricter..

I can only obtain a Class-1 With Night Flying Restrction With the following:

R:-4.50D 1.75D(Astig)
L:-4.25D 1.75D(Astig)

Re: Liberalizing medical requirements
 

any news about the astigmatism limits?
I have -3 and -2
i hold class 1 medical but every year i'm very scared to lose it beacause i'm borderline!

Apologies if someone else has posted this but I think that the medical matters discussed in Hoofddorp can be found at

http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...49&pagetype=87

The move towards 12 monthly medicals for those of us over 40 would appear to apply to MPA operations.

That is indeed what I have heard as well. Also heard that instructors above age 40 will remain at the twice a year level.

Come on guys .....
Nobody been to a CAA renewal lately ????

Saabdriver

This is my situation

Before I had miopia -6.25/-6.75... I have done lasik surgery about 1 1/2 years ago. Mi vision now is 20/20. I posses a FAA First Class medical (no limitations). I have an FAA ATP and I have been flying for over 5 years. I am from Spain, and I am trying to get back at some point, but I have a huge medical barrier.
Is there a way for me to get a JAA First class medical? I read in this thread to explain your case and try to get a waiver or something like it, but to who?? How about if I just take my chances and try to go get a first Class without saying anything..Will they ever find out?

Thank for all the help, its very appreciated.

Scube.

I would go for a medical in spain. If they reject me I would try for medical U.K
It is possible that you can pass a First class medical because your eyes was within the renewal requirements before surgery.
It all depends on the licensing authourity.

Some doctors are nice and wants you to pass. They just check that you are a safe pilot.

Then there are doctors that are assholes. Remember one a doctor that wanted to fail me because I had to much earwax. I then called AMC and they just laughed. Anyway I got really scared with this and now everytime a go for a medical check I get "white coat hypertension"

Jimmy, Are you tracking me out!? Just kidding.Thank you sooo much for your imputs. They are not great news, but my head is now clear. I guess I'll have to put all this new project on hold till my next trip to Europe. Well, lets keep are hopes high.
Thanks again for all the help.

Scube.

Sparks,


if having to stare into a hi intensity strobe light pulsate at various frequencies 6 inches away from your face for 20 mins, whilst clumsily attached leads to your head (complete with immovable surgical gel) irritate your skull, all the while a igor-esque machine operator straight out of a 1950's Bela lugosi movie, moves various levers and scribbles various notes which you are aware of in the periphary....... :{

The only thing missing is a "Herr Doktor" with a monocle and a maniac grin... :uhoh:

Unless a previous history dictates investigation, I don't personally see the point in such a test ?

Vision requirements
 

There are options to Vision enhancement without surgery. I started Ortho K when I was 19. Contact lens reshapes the Cornea and maintains for 24 to 48 hours. FAA and the Saudi's version dropped all limitations on my Class One Med. Now I suscribe to updated version call CRT, where I sleep with a modified set of Lens and remove them during the day. Still maintains 20/15. This procedure if stopped will allow Cornea to return to original shape and eyesight. I'm 52 today ans never had a problem with my eye's. I wouldn't think of letting someone "cut" on my Cornea when most Opthomolgists wouldn't do the same.

Obviously, not having to wear any sort of corrective lens would be preferred, however, if you need corrected vision and want a Class one this may work for you. My wife is a NeoNatal Physician and was recently contemplating Lasik. I suggested she try the CRT and if she wasn't happy, discontinue it and go the Lasik way. At 49 Years she started the CRT and has 20/20 today.

I don't sell the Product or receive renumeration in any way, just happy with what is has done for me and knowing I could discontinue it at anytime I wanted to. Not the perfect anwser, but a solution that allows me to make my living in a Jet.:D :ok:

I am no expert but i believe the general direction things are headed in can be seen in the NPA here

Niland..thanks for posting that link.
cheers
H.

Does this mean (if the draft is OK'ed) that you're going to be able to get a Class 1 with -6?

I just looked at the new NPA. It seems like they have removed the line which states:
"There is no stereoscopic test requirement"

Does this mean that we are going to be tested for stereovision now?

From the CAA page here:
This is excellent news for me as it seems like my issue with having a lazy eye which is slighly long sighted and a good eye which is short sighted (which pushes me over the prescription difference between eyes limit) might finally be resolved - I can hopefully get a JAA class 2 finally. Flying in the UK on an Australian license is beginning to become a bit limiting.

Does anyone have any information on whether or not the prescription difference limit has been relaxed as well?

Paul.

Ok guys,I have dioptre -1.75 both eyes.Is that good enough for Class 1 in Europe?

-8dpt
 

I found this on the JAA page (NPA 28):

At revalidation or renewal examinations, an applicant experienced to the satisfaction of the Authority
with a refractive errors error not exceeding +5 dioptres or with a high myopic refractive error
exceeding -6 dioptres may be considered assessed as fit by the AMS (see paragraph 2 (b) Appendix 13 to
Subpart B).
(iii) Applicants with a large refractive error shall use contact lenses or high-index spectacle lenses.

Does this mean, if i have e.g. -8dpt at the renewal, the might give me the class 1 medical?
And when will the NPA become effective?
Thanks

I had a class 1 renewal 2 weeks ago, AME said that the extension to 12 monthly testing of over 40's was coming in November 2006 so advised that I have my next renewal after that date and it will last for 12 months. Thats OK for me as I'm not flying commercially at the moment.

My eye site is:

Right Eye:
Sphere = -0.50
Cyl = +2.50
Axis = 10

Left Eye:
Sphere = -0.50
Cyl = +2.75
Axis = 165

Can i ask, what section in that list is the dioptres in my eyes?

And also, could i get a class 1 medical with that standard of eye site after they change the requirements?


Martin

The dioptres are the measures as +2.75 etc.

Go to the CAA website and look for the eyesight requirements.

What is the medical requirements of DCA Malaysia?

well.. weird...

i went to AME...

did some checks.. he gave me a FULL Malaysian CLass-1 with that correction.


he never told me about the initial limits.. he just say i qualified.. and gave me my certificate......

i couldn't obtain any information on MAlaysian Class-1 Medical Eyesight requirements..

What is AME? Do you know any other medical requirement?

Aviation Medical Examiner....


sorry ...|Ken| ,, can relaly help you much as the DCA website isn't very informative........

i don't have the details on other requirements......

all i can say is.. i PASS my class-1 with that eyesight

Good News
 

That´s good news! I have a substandart vision in one eye and want to apply for JAA class 1 medical this year. Im trying a job in Europe this month.

Hi friends,do you know if there will be any change also in "heart valve replacement" requirements?
Thanks a lot!
Gianluca

Had my medical yesterday. Was told that the rulemaking is being reviewed by all the EU national authorities. My AME is very high up the food chain here in my country, and he told me that he expects them to be handed back with the added comments around September, then they will have to be translated into proper law. The language of the original law will be English. Then the national authorities will have to translate the new rules into their own languages before the new regulations become law in their respective countries.
In my country they have already decided that they will waive the translation step as far as implementation goes. Some things are already being used, no more colour-blindness test is being given, except during your initial class 1. But the person giving me my eye tests did not have any ideas on else was going to change.
My AME figured that it was about 75% sure that the deadline for November 1, 2006 was going to be met in my country. But the exact rules won’t be known for a few more months.
Greetings O.

Hello otterman, many thanks for the update.
cheers
H

Hi there
I wanted to learn to fly last year, but I didn't bother starting once I'd found out that I couldn't get a class two medical because I am +7.5 and +8.5

I also have some other problems with my eyesight but the CAA said that the refractive errors were the only major problem.
I live in the channel islands so If i wanted to fly, I have to get the JAA PPL and I cant do an NPPL over here!

I have heard this talk about relaxation of vision requirements, do any of you know if I will be able to get a class two in the forseeable future?

And also do you know how long this will be?????


Many thanks,
Degers
(Andrew Degnen)

Sorry guys, but there is scant evidence that 'medicals' benefit the punters - they are there to maintain safety for the aircraft and community. If you want a medical in the UK, go to your GP, but we see false positives on a regular basis. BUPA and other companies have made a fortune out of fear but it is just that.

The basic tests of urine (for diabetes) blood pressure and looking at the back of the eye are all you need, and only every few years. Men need a PSA and women a couple of other bits but it is all free on the NHS.

So any reduction in the frequency of tests that reduces costs and the fear of your license being pulled is fantastic news. The current blood tests are worthless anyhow

Will someone tell me where I can find the physical requirements for a 1st class medical ICAO standards for now and when the age is raised to 65.

I am unable to find a link.

Thanks
Marc

Sfomarc.

You will find each and every ICAO requirement within the ICAO bookset or its annexes. Sorry I don't know which one is germane to medicals but I imagine a trawl through their website will find it. Bear in mind that ICAO requirements form the minimum standard in all areas and that most advanced aviation states have stricter criteria.

I can't see there being any difference for pilots aged over 60. We either meet the standard or we don't.

Confundemus

We are at the end of september: when could we expect some news about new visual requirements?

Thanx

Bye

ACIDO

Sound like a damn good safety net to me. Wish I had one like that.

Good news, bad news:

At the FLYER Professional Flight Training Show yesterday, Stuart Mitchell from the UK CAA Aeromedical Centre gave a talk about the Class 1 medical.

He said that NPA-FCL 28 (latest text here [Microsoft Word .doc file, ~1 MB]) is expected to be implemented in December. (The JAA Committee is meeting on 15 November.)

He also suggested that the mechanism for issuing an initial Class 1 with a deviation to those who are between initial and renewal limits is likely to end "sometime soon".

That's terrible indeed!

It means that, with the new regulation, who has ,7,50 diopters of miopy won't be able to get a first class neither with restrictions?
If he won't, the new regulation is really a step back in liberalization of requirements!
Dont' you agree?

ACIDO

Yes, thats true. But if you look further down in the document you can see that they have raised the pre-op value to -8 diopters. So you can correct your -7.5 diopters of myopia with lasik.


Personally I think that the JAA comitee has done a good job towards liberalizing the medical requirements.

For all the young wannabe pilots out there I think that in about 5 years the medical requirements are going to be even less stringent.

Hi Jimmy, where did you read the preop requirements have been raised to -8 diopters?
I read the NPA 28, but I found that the max preop requirements for a first medical class is +5 -6, not -8. Please, tell me I am wrong!

Bye

:rolleyes:

oops, you are right. Sorry my misstake. If you really want to become a pilot you can always go to the states and take an FAA license.

I am very sorry about your situation ACIDO.