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Any experience of Shingles?

Old 1st May 2014, 15:30
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I'd normally give a at that comment Misterblue but I realise its more like a
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Old 7th May 2014, 11:18
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As the entertainment continues, am I supposed to inform the UK CAA if/when this lasts more than 21 days?

It used to be the case, but I can't find a definitive answer on their website.
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Old 9th May 2014, 17:50
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EASA Regs

http://easa.europa.eu/system/files/d...bin%20crew.pdf

Page 5 of this document states:

AMC1 MED.A.020 Decrease in medical fitness
If in any doubt about their fitness to fly, use of medication or treatment:
(a) holders of class 1 or class 2 medical certificates should seek the advice of an AeMC or AME;

If in doubt, contact your AME
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Old 10th May 2014, 02:42
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Have had this twice. First in the early 70s, and had to front the military doc each day for about 10 days where an injection of a substance that had the consistency of axle grease was made into the upper arm. Over the course of the day the enormous lump in the arm would dissipate.

Second time was in about 78. Civilian doc said "no body gets it twice" and "there is no known remedy/treatment". His advice was go to the pub for a pint.
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Old 13th May 2014, 15:00
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"...have seen death in as little as 7.5gms/24 hrs..."

MAX rec. dosage of paracetamol is 6gm/24hrs for an adult so that is not "little", it's well over the top. 12-15gm in one shot will likely lead to hepatotoxicity

(I'm not knocking paracetamol - it is a really good drug with a very acceptable safety profile so long as you don't go crazy)



When I was a medical houseman, the use of iv acetylcysteine to prevent fatal liver damage in paracetamol OD para-suicides had not been discovered. Treatment was messy, complicated and not particularly effective - people died, and took a long time about it.

[IV acetylcysteine is almost 100% effective in preventing liver damage when given within 8 hours of the OD]
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Old 16th May 2014, 00:34
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Just revisiting my post, the girl who died taking 7.5grams was an adolescent, so perhaps I need to take that into account.

As a prescriber, I advocate paracetamol most days. It's a well tolerated, and mostly, effective medicine.

I'd never recommend any dose over the 4gms/24 hours recommended by the BNF. (and they are usually spot on.) If the pain isn't controlled then, it's time for an adjunct. Pilots, need to let there prescribers know they are pilots.

In the UK, we can only sell 8 grams at a time. This is a pain in the +rse if you get a lot of tooth ache, but the last figures I've seen suggest that about 200 lives a year are saved by this measure.
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Old 16th May 2014, 01:17
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That's very different from here in Canada. I can't imagine 16 capsules at 500 mg each being the maximum!

Over here, 200+ capsules per container at 500 mg each (100 grams) is easily available, including at most supermarkets. You can get 250+ capsules in big-box-stores such as Costco.
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Old 16th May 2014, 09:55
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I had the dreading shingles at 62,one side of face and down left arm. Serious pain! Could not sleep,and after 36 hours of no sleep,gave up trying to sleep,watched daytime T.V.(in the U.K.),and slowly drank a full bottle of Jack Daniels. Slept like a baby for about 15 hours when the bottle was finished. Woke up and the shingles was gone. Can't promise it will work for you,but not an unpleasant medical trial.
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Old 19th May 2014, 22:25
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That's very different from here in Canada. I can't imagine 16 capsules at 500 mg each being the maximum!
No, it became a bit of a pain here, when it was introduced a few years ago. It was a measure designed to reduce the so called "para-suicides" converting to actual suicide.

I was skeptical, when I first tried to buy three packets of paracetamol from ALDI, and was refused, my initial comment to the cashier was , "why, do I look suicidal ?"

I've tried to rationalise this and reckon I probably have. Suicide is the biggest cause of death for our young people. (More so for blokes). Make no doubt about it, it has to be taken seriously. If a person is determined, then it can sometimes be difficult to identify and prevent serious attempts.We are now trained to identify these patients at an earlier stage, sometimes it's just a matter of asking someone if they are suicidal, patients generally are very honest. The level of violence involved in an attempt, can sometimes be directly related to the level intent. I've had more success with those who want to take all their tablets, than those who choose to jump in front of a train.

My very personal own opinions on this issue: Suicide is an illness. Suicide is dreadful. It has dreadful consequences. It can sometimes be preventable. If you can draw someone back from that moment of illness when they think of hurting themselves, then generally, it's a good move. (And, in the long term, a successful one.)

So, if every time I get a sore knee/tooth/throat/ear, I have to go and visit Aldi 10,000 times to save some poor kid shrivelling up from liver failure, then I'll continue the journey.
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Old 19th May 2014, 23:57
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I wish I had a more sophisticated understanding of mental illnesses. (I'm a molecular biologist, so, anything bigger than small animals are out of my range of knowledge.)

I find it interesting that you say there's a correlation between the level of violence and the level of intent. It seems like there's more suicide prevention efforts on more violent means, such as BASE jumping without equipment, than less violent means. (I say that somewhat casually as my way of dealing with it. Came across a fresh one at night on a highway. Couldn't find a radial pulse. Couldn't find the carotid because the neck was so far displaced. Messy.) They spend millions putting up anti-jump barriers only to have them go to a different bridge. Seems like if the violence is high, and thus intent is high, the money is better spent on other forms of prevention than temporarily delaying them.
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Old 20th May 2014, 07:22
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Which is the pain killer that they can put the antidote in but they refuse to?
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Old 20th May 2014, 07:50
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I think we're getting way off topic here.
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Old 20th May 2014, 08:29
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Point taken
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Old 20th May 2014, 08:58
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is that such a bad thing?

Pretty much standard in the other forums.

We aren't discussing an individual case.

paracetamol overdose is a particularly stupid way to go.

Anything which stops it must be a good thing.
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Old 20th May 2014, 09:38
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paracetamol overdose is a particularly stupid way to go.

Anything which stops it must be a good thing.
Sure, but has little to do with shingles and its aeromedical implications.
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Old 20th May 2014, 10:38
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Some really good threads have come from thread drifts onto different topics.

My favourite one ended up with three test pilots and the chief pilot of the concorde fleet discussing mach vortexes shedding off delta wings. Absolutely nothing to do with the 16 year olds initial question for his school work.

Already I have learned from this thread that 4mg/24hours is the max dosage.

Its just like when I teach my CRM courses every time we do case study's we end up somewhere different. Its not a problem because we want people to think and analysis.

Pilots aren't linear thinkers, we are trained to be multi directional with significant subject overlaps. And stuff we know gets taken home as well.

And to be honest self administered medication by pilots is one of the big ones for any management pilot. If a thread heads off in that direction and people can learn from it, that can only be a good thing.

But its your train set and you will run it how you like but the whole point of forums like this is to learn from a diverse skill group, the medics being one group that most don't go near if they can help it.

Shingles moving to pain control is a logical progression for a thread drift on the subject. Pain control drugs to there abuse is again quite logical.

In fact I will be using the information from this thread in the next cycle of CRM course I am developing under the human performance section.

So the OP has had some advise and now 55 pilots are going to get the benefit of the advice as well in there yearly CRM training from me. Maybe resulting in a kid not getting rushed to hospital with an OD.
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Old 21st May 2014, 22:47
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This sort of stuff worries me...

Shock figures show extent of self-harm in English teenagers | Lorenza Bacino | Society | The Guardian
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Old 22nd May 2014, 22:29
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Back on thread

The treatment is early antivirals and symptomatic pain relief.

The best analgesia is more than one drug. Paracetamol as one gram 6 hourly is the only dose you can take, except an initial single dose of 2 grams has been shown to be reasonably safe after operations

Non steroidals such as nurofen or voltarol is a good combination as long as you don't have kidney problems or stomach issues. It MUST be taken regularly and will take possibly five days to have maximum effect. Miss a dose and the clock starts again

Codeine compounds have been widely used, but we are increasingly worried about unexpected deaths and many hospital doctors have ditched them. Both the US and UK regulators have issued warnings. There is little evidence codeine and paracetamol is better than paracetamol alone so I wouldn't use it

We then get onto more potent drugs such as tramadol which blocks the pain signal at a spinal level. Oral opiates, once thought dodgy, are now widely used after operations and can be considered

Pain clinics can also offer support with TENS or other drugs and techniques. Most are so busy that sufferers only get to the, if the pain is chronic

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Old 25th May 2014, 20:46
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Somebody has edited my original post heading to include the paracetamol overdose bit. Whilst I accept the thread creep as being a part of the forum, I do not think it acceptable to change the original posting.

I did not put anything about overdoses in my original post.
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Old 2nd Jun 2014, 14:37
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Shingles

There may have been a stigma around shingles before discovery that the origin is dormant chickenpox virus.


I'm of the age that parents knew mumps could cause infertility in adult males, and deliberately exposed children to others with it...not sure about the deliberate exposure with measles and chickenpox. I did have chicken pox as a child.


A couple years ago, I was finishing up an evening dog run in a forest in the spring, and some people at a campfire beside a hunting camp offered a beer and then a look inside what turned out to be an old tight moldy trailer filled with beer and tobacco fumes of people playing beer pong. The dogs indicated a desire to terminate this visit rather quickly.


Within 2 days I had a rare sore-throat to chest cold type flu. This resolved fairly quickly without medication and some blisters formed on the right side of my waist and started to spread both ways around. It looked like poison ivy or a second degree burn, but there was no surface pain.


What worried me was MRSA, because a bad case was in the media headlines at the time. And, I didn't think shingles, because of heavy TV advertising citing "burn and itch." (Never was much burn, and itch didn't start until spreading had stopped, blisters were breaking, and I knew I was going to live.) Only treatment whatsoever was one comfrey tea rinse before a bath, just before spreading had stopped, with no obvious effect one way or the other. Contact was somewhat uncomfortable in bed, but I could sleep on the other side.


There was a deep pain in my right hip, which had a resolved running injury decades earlier. (At one point, I got some relief by half laying at one end of a couch, with my foot slightly tensioned by a sling to the arm at the other end of the couch.)


I was relieved when I finally checked shingles descriptions to find that abdomen, from centerline front to centerline rear, is the most common location. I did not find anything residual harmful about it except some reference to if an eye is involved.


I'm happy to have had this chickenpox booster the natural way. The blisters left white areas like "road rash" from a bicycle crash, but these have disappeared. There are indications that antibiotics and antivirals disrupt a very complex, important and natural gut biome, increasing the risk of cancer and auto-immune diseases.


Two possible connections with vaccination--It is possible that a near absence of chickenpox infected children to challenge post-infected adults is the reason we see shingles at the current rate; and, it is unknown how shingles will effect children vaccinated for chickenpox.
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