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Collective Colour Vision Thread 4

Old 10th Jan 2018, 09:04
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Hi,

I am not sure 100%, but Emirates follows more or less the EASA requirements for pilot medical.
In the case of color vision Ishiara and then CAD test...new test implemented.

Time ago, like I did, alternative test were recognized like Beyne Lantern, Holmes Wright and Anomaloscopy.

I am not sure if your alternative test is recognized....bring with you the original reports and if needed show it to the doctor.
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 10:41
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But nowadays they still working with CAD, correct?
I don’t believe that they will accept my test from Brazil, i need to pass through they exams
CAD I think I can get! Any tips how it’s the test?
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Old 10th Jan 2018, 13:40
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Yes CAD.

No tip by my side....I passed Beyne lantern years ago.
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 01:19
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Color Blinded-Daltonism at EK

Hello Guys,
Im applying at Emirates, and i have a problem that is making me crazy.
I have daltonism, but for my class 1 medical is permitted here in brazil.
About Emirates, during the tests, I read that they do the Ishihara and in case of failure, and alternat test (CAD test) is done.
Someone has this problem at EMIRATES? Or even did this test recently can talk more clear with me about that? Thank you so much
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Old 11th Jan 2018, 12:49
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At EK they will give you the Ishihara, which if you fail then leads to a CAD test. It is the only option. The Lantern test is outdated now. You cannot prepare for it, as it is a pass/fail test. Quite necessarily! You will have one chance to pass it and that is it. I fail the Ishihara each year at EK but I have a standing pass in the CAD test. Whatever test results you bring from your home country will be worthless. You WILL need to pass the CAD test here in Dubai.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 09:42
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Morning All,

Wondering if anyone could help. In a bit of a sticky situation with my medical situation through my own fault. Wanted to be a pilot since I can remember but failed an ishihara when I was in primary school and ever since I was advised to ask for a lantern test when the day of my medical cane. Went for a class 2 initial back in 2012, didn’t want anything to do with the ishihara and asked for a lantern test (even though I acknowledge the CAA do not recognise it) to which I passed flying colours. The AME advised me if I was not willing to do the ishihara I would need to do the CAD test at the CAA. Off I walked with a restriction on my medical just because I didn’t want to do the ishihara - worst mistake I’ve ever made.

Fast forward a 2 years (and typical me leaving everything to the last minute) I book a CAD test at the CAA in 2014 just before my training starts at university. I must stress here that the CAD test is quite possibly the worst experience I have ever had. So much pressure, anxiety and angst took its toll and within a minute I experienced eye pain and headaches which made me (all but) quit the test. I was issued a fail on my CAA medical records with a score of nearly double what the pass mark is (no point doing a retest because of this as scores get averaged).

Fast forward 3.5 years and I graduate from (a different) university with a back up plan in mind in case there is no way around this issue. In April 2017 I accompany a parent to the opticians and ask to do an Ishihara test at the end of the appointment as a bit of fun. Would you believe I pass the test without error. I immediately book in for a class 2 at East Midlands, we conduct the ishihara and I pass with no errors again. At this point I’m ecstatic thinking my dream career is back on.... the CAA refuse issue me an unrestricted class 2 certificate 3 days later because of those ‘false’ CAD results.

I have since spent my time researching this and although I understand the CAA’s stance on this as they have evidence of a failed colour vision test, I meet the acceptable means of compliance that EASA have set. I recently emailed the CAA but they have not got back to me.

Has anyone had an experience like this? If I was to do a c1 initial and pass the ishihara (again) would the CAA still refuse to issue me a certificate? Would I be best off travelling to another EASA member state and doing my class 1 initial over there and trying to convert it?

Thanks in advance
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 18:47
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Originally Posted by Flyinguis View Post
Hi guys, first message here !

I just saw this :

easa.europa.eu/document-library/opinions/opinion-092016#group-easa-downloads

the draft annex is available here :

easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/Draft%20Annex%20to%20draft%20Commission%20Regulation%20%28EU %29%20...-...%20amending%20Commiss....pdf

We can read in it :

and few pages after :

Here you can find the :

Draft acceptable means of compliance (AMC) and guidance material (GM) to Part-MED

easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/Draft%20AMC%20%26%20GM%20to%20draft%20Part-MED%20%28For%20information%20only%29.pdf

As you can see, CAD test has been included as said in the Comment Response Document.

It's time to wait for the decision.

Sorry for my english, not perfectly fluent yet .
What do you think about these information ?
Hi there, it is my first message here.
I'm wondering if the above draft had actually been accepted and published? Because actually it is a draft which mentioned the CAD but that does not means that CAD is accepted by EASA yet, right?
Or maybe I just don't find this update and you could provide the link to the latest PART-MED regulation?
I would like to pas my CLASS 1 in France but don't want to fail with the "old non-reliable" tests.
For info, I've removed the first letters of the links because as I am new here I am not allowed to put URL in my messages!
Thanks for your help.
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 11:41
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Has anyone ever had an appointment with the guys at City University London?

I have been informed that you can conduct a full assessment with them and they will produce a report for you which is usually accepted by the CAA.
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Old 19th Feb 2018, 18:47
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Originally Posted by Dutchman95 View Post
Anderson

I did the CAD test at Heathrow Medical Services a month ago. I wasn't very hopeful at all as I am terrible at the Ishihara plates, but after a first attempt close to borderline I managed to get a pass (threshold 5.81 with 6 being the deutan limit) after three more rounds. Surprisingly, my yellow-blue vision was considerably better than 'normal' people (0.69).
Can I ask what the CAD test is like? I'm booked in with Heathrow Medical Services in a week and I know I'll fail the ishihara test, I asked to do one at an eye test earlier in the month and I failed it there although the guy said some people do have it worse than me.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 13:27
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Passed the CAD test with red/green of 4.53 and yellow blue 0.89. Limit for me having a mild protan deficiency is <12 so well under that. Given a full unrestricted class 1 & 2. Failed the ishihara test miserably.
Next problem is the astigmatism in my left eye is over limits for class 1, but I've not been wearing glasses all the time until now so hopefully that will lessen. It's currently ok for class 2.
Also need to see specialists to make a report for history of asthma (15 years ago) and a current peanut allergy.
The fun continues.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 17:54
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Color deficiency USA and Canada

Hello,

I've got a new (not renewal) AME visit in USA few years ago for a medical class 1.
I've got the well-known "restriction for day only" due to my fail at Ishihara test plates. In fact I have not been tested on the famous classic book but on a "digital machine" (don't know the name) which also display dots and numbers. Note that I also failed on a lantern test once (don't know how many mistakes tho).

Recently my optometrist told me after some tests during a regular visit that I don't seem to be really color deficient, or just slightly.
I asked for a visit here in Canada for a Category 1. I passed the Ishihara book with maybe 1-2 light hesitations but no big deal and got a Category 1 with no restriction on it.
I also passed a D-15 test and succeeded at it with no mistake.

Question:
Is it possible for me to send my Canadian Ishihara test record to US FAA and ask them to remove my medical restriction?
If not, is it possible to do a new US medical Class 1 visit in order to be retested at Ishihara book? Is it something accepted?

Thanks
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 17:09
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Petrified of initial class 1

Hey everyone,

I have been wanting to fly for as long as I can remember but I went for the RAF as soon as I left school and I failed the ishahara test when I got to the medical. This has left me petrified of any form of medical assessment, especially the class 1 which my dream hangs on, every test I've done on my phone or computer says I have a slight red green colour blindness so my question is, is it permissible if it is only slight to moderate? I work as ground crew and I can easily distinguish the red and green navigation/position lights on aircraft. Any response is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Sean
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 17:58
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Originally Posted by miller745 View Post
Passed the CAD test with red/green of 4.53 and yellow blue 0.89. Limit for me having a mild protan deficiency is <12 so well under that. Given a full unrestricted class 1 & 2. Failed the ishihara test miserably.
You need to do the CAD test. It's about £140 on top of the initial medical fee.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 18:03
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Originally Posted by miller745 View Post
You need to do the CAD test. It's about £140 on top of the initial medical fee.
Yeah I learned about the CAD test from doing my research about the vision requirements it bumps my initial up to nearly £700 plus I have to get down to London for it...
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 19:10
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Originally Posted by Seanlister1 View Post
Yeah I learned about the CAD test from doing my research about the vision requirements it bumps my initial up to nearly £700 plus I have to get down to London for it...
It does but you really have no alternative. I had to fly down from Newcastle for mine.
What if something crops up during your initial medical to which the AME then requires you to see a specialist? That means another trip to London plus more medical fees! (Yes I'm talking from experience..)
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 23:15
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Originally Posted by miller745 View Post
It does but you really have no alternative. I had to fly down from Newcastle for mine.
What if something crops up during your initial medical to which the AME then requires you to see a specialist? That means another trip to London plus more medical fees! (Yes I'm talking from experience..)
I'm in the exact same boat, I'll be having to travel from Newcastle too!
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Old 14th May 2018, 21:06
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Interest on this post, is your beyne lantern test been accepted? Iím in the same situation! Thanks!
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 13:47
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I attended Aviation Vision Services yesterday (BTW also travelled from Newcastle. Drove down, stayed overnight round the corner at Heathrow Lodge and drove back after test).

I scored 14.86 Red Green so over threshold of 12 and 0.50 Yellow Blue (apparently very good colour vision in that area). Anyway the red green meant a fail and I was handed a piece of paper with the text "Fit restricted EASA Class 1 (VCL, SSL-ILA, SSL-NCAT) and Class 2 (VCL).

So basically day time flying only and NCAT. Now NCAT is a bit of a sod. I don't want to be an airline pilot but there isn't an exhaustive list of what is commercial air transport and what isn't. Nor is there much detail on where I can fly. I think I can ferry G- reg planes within Europe. Annoyingly I had a few places where I knew they only do VFR flying - bush pilots in Africa for example - but that NCAT restriction would prevent that!

I am now wondering if I should find a FAA AME and see if they can do the other tests here in the UK and whichever one I get the better result in go for that.

Does anyone know of any countries where a colour fail just restricts to VFR but you can still carry cargo or passengers or both? I am yet to start full on training so I could look at training in the most forward thinking country for colour vision.
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Old 2nd Jun 2018, 21:17
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You should try the other tests valid from EASA part med, beyne lantern and Nagel Anomaloscope should be fine, try to take these tests in another European country, once you have passed one of them youíll be unrestricted, unfortunately you canít have a UK caa license but you have to take it from another EASA state, itís a real shame the UK caa colourís policy,
hope to be helpful!
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Old 3rd Jun 2018, 07:14
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New Zealand

Originally Posted by wuas680 View Post
I attended Aviation Vision Services yesterday (BTW also travelled from Newcastle. Drove down, stayed overnight round the corner at Heathrow Lodge and drove back after test).

I scored 14.86 Red Green so over threshold of 12 and 0.50 Yellow Blue (apparently very good colour vision in that area). Anyway the red green meant a fail and I was handed a piece of paper with the text "Fit restricted EASA Class 1 (VCL, SSL-ILA, SSL-NCAT) and Class 2 (VCL).

So basically day time flying only and NCAT. Now NCAT is a bit of a sod. I don't want to be an airline pilot but there isn't an exhaustive list of what is commercial air transport and what isn't. Nor is there much detail on where I can fly. I think I can ferry G- reg planes within Europe. Annoyingly I had a few places where I knew they only do VFR flying - bush pilots in Africa for example - but that NCAT restriction would prevent that!

I am now wondering if I should find a FAA AME and see if they can do the other tests here in the UK and whichever one I get the better result in go for that.

Does anyone know of any countries where a colour fail just restricts to VFR but you can still carry cargo or passengers or both? I am yet to start full on training so I could look at training in the most forward thinking country for colour vision.
Take a look at New Zealand. They are the most progressive on this front. Australia used to be, but has gone backwards in recent years.
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