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Old 6th Sep 2009, 20:07
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RBBB

Hey Whirlybird

I humbly apologise labelling you a journo, a more devastating slight I could not have bestowed upon you.

Having done an exercise test, I can vouch for it being a pain in the a**e, but thankfully not in the chest.

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Old 16th Oct 2009, 21:00
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Anyone had RBBB with the new European Class 3 for ATCO's, and is the procedure similar?

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Old 16th Dec 2009, 22:02
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bbrush,

That's me. This thread has actually been an interesting read. Upon my initial UK Class 1/EU Class 3 at Gatwick about three weeks ago [ATCO Licence], 'Left Axis Deviation' was reported on my ECG reading.

I had to have a follow-up consultation and exercise ECG on Tuesday. The exercise ECG went very well and I got pleasing results, however during my consultation, the Cardiologist seemed to pick up a slight murmur and has requested that I undergo an Echocardiogram. Hugely frustrating as it means a longer wait of uncertainty, not to mention the £250.00 price tag attached.

Have considered going down the NHS route [free of charge], however this is likely to incur further delays so may well have to end up returning to the CAA to get the Echocardiogram carried out. No request of a 24-hour ECG though.

Cardiologist informed me that the CAA will 'normally' still issue me with a EU Class 3 certificate provided that the murmur [possibly caused by a minor leakage from a heart valve] isn't too major.


Those are my experiences thus far. Has anyone else been issued with a certificate upon a discovery of a heart murmur? I'm trying to remain positive, but can't help getting a little anxious.
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Old 17th Dec 2009, 02:54
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Same issue for me. First picked up in SE Asia during the four hour medical with one of the most competent physicians I have encountered. He mentioned the result and he was sure I was well aware but I was certainly not. My questions were ultimately met with it's no big deal, lots of pilots have it.

I was however advised that if I ended up in the hospital with a heart attack the ECG would be useless unless the staff knew of the condition.
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Old 17th Dec 2009, 11:24
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<<not to mention the £250.00 price tag attached.>>

Surely if you are a Heathrow ATCO you would not have to pay that?
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Old 17th Dec 2009, 21:13
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Surely if you are a Heathrow ATCO you would not have to pay that?
It's an initial Medical, HD; I'm not an ATCO just yet! NATS only pay for initial Medicals but nothing to cover any additional costs during this initial phase. 'EGLL' refers to my nearest major Airport, not my occupational base unfortunately!

Received news from my GP today that I would be looking at a three month wait, should I go down the NHS route. Would like to get things moving as soon as possible though, so I may have to end up forking out the money and return to the CAA. Given the fact that I need to get my certificate within twelve months of my conditional job offer, would encourage me to get things done quickly, so it looks to be the expensive route after all.
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Old 18th Dec 2009, 07:54
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On the, thankfully, rare occasions when I have needed specialist examinations I have forked out for private treatment. With NHS it was 2-3 months of waiting and worrying but going private had the job done in a few days.

Good luck. Hope everything pans out OK.
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Old 18th Dec 2009, 10:31
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Incomplete RBBB

Can anyone tell me if this is a less significant form?
I've just had class 2 & had this picked up. AME told me one in five people have this & it's nothing to worry about, just needs to be reported. Also said won't affect me getting class 1 either.
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Old 18th Dec 2009, 11:37
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Yes, if it's incomplete there's no problem and you can get a Class 1. I found that out when doing some research. I think it's somewhere on the CAA website, but I can't remember where now.
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Old 19th Dec 2009, 10:42
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Cheers, Whirlybird.
I did have a quick search but never found it, however on looking again found it this time:
it's in JAR 3.145 (Subpart B) page 35

"Incomplete Right Bundle Branch
Block
This does not require investigation. The
RBBB algorithm only applies to
complete right bundle branch block."

I was starting to wory reading this thread, thought I would need countless extra tests (& £££££'s). Should have trusted my AME!

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Old 19th Dec 2009, 11:45
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Current algorithm for RBBB for a EU Class 3:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/1943/RBBB%20Algo0609.pdf

It's strange, I haven't been requested to do a 24-hour ECG. Instead, just an Echocardiogram.

Thanks, HD. Hopefully things will pan out okay. I'm looking to book an appointment with the CAA as soon as possible. Might be a slight wait of a week or two as their Cardiologists are not in every day.
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At 63, I`ve just lost my Class 1 Medical having been diagnosed with Atrial Fibrillation. The CAA, remember the days when they used to be a non profit-making organisation, have grounded me and sent me a copy of their Protocol and a list of Consultants and standard fees.
Now out of work, and surviving on 2 small pensions from previous employers, I took the cheap way out.
I took my CAA letters, including the Protocol to my GP, who I have known for over 20 years. She logged on to the local NHS site was able to get me an appointment at my local Hospital the following week. I have completed all the tests, didn`t do well on the exercise ECG, being overweight didn`t help, but so far it hasn`t cost me anything.
I`m on tablets approved by the CAA and so will try and get another excercise ECG at a later date and if that is satisfactory will send the documents off to the CAA, with the appropriate fee of course, for them to read and pontificate.
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Old 21st Jan 2010, 17:58
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Received confirmation today that I have gained my EU Class 3 [UK Class 1] Medical!!

This was following on from my original Left Axis Deviation. It emerged that I have a slight heart murmur, however following on from my Echocardiogram, the murmur seems minor enough for the CAA Medics to grant me my certificate!

I'll have to have another Echocardiogram in three years time to make sure nothing has changed significantly, but aside from that, my ATCO career can begin! I am absolutely ecstatic!


All the best to anyone going through the medical process. Although it can be costly at the CAA, they do a fantastic job and I wholeheartedly recommend their expertise.
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 09:23
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So glad all has panned out OK. My wife has a heart murmur, which was only found with an echo scan 2 years ago. She had it checked recently and it had not changed so she has to have her next check in 3 years.

If you have a UK Class 1 medical there ain't much wrong with you!!

Hope all goes well with the course...
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Old 22nd Jan 2010, 13:20
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HD: Many thanks!!

If you have a UK Class 1 medical there ain't much wrong with you!!
Very true!
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Old 23rd Jan 2010, 20:34
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Advice needed please

I have been invited to attend the Stage 1 Selection Tests for the position of Trainee Air Traffic Controller. My medical history is as follows:
1985 - heart valve replacement surgery to correct congenital heart murmur
1985 - cardiac pacemaker inserted as a result of above surgery (heart block)
I take warfarin & atenolol on a daily basis

I am a fit and healthy person who leads a normal active life and the only things I should avoid are things like airport scanners, big magnets & playing rugby!!

I've not been able to get a definitive decision from NATS or CAA but I would like to know before I go any further with my application as I don't want to waste NATS time if there is no chance of me passing the medical. I've sent details to CAA Medical Division at Gatwick airport but I have not had a reply yet.

Any advice would be most welcome as I would love a change of career at this point in my life. Qualifying as an ATCO is what I have my mind set on but if the rules say no, then I can say I tried.
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Old 24th Jan 2010, 15:30
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Thanks for that. I think I would be classed as unfit going by the info in the cardiology link.
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Old 24th Jan 2010, 17:56
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Peeliewally. Apart from the medical aspects, at 39 you would find ATC training gruelling and IMHO there would be a greater than 50% chance that you would not make it to validation.

However, it has happened so I wish you the very best of luck...
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Old 24th Jan 2010, 22:58
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Thanks for your advice. I don't think being 39 stands me at any disadvantage, possibly more advantageous. I currently have a very demanding job supporting some of the most advanced technologies in the broadcasting industry. I work unsociable shifts for the worlds most respected broadcaster and I'm regularly required to work alone for hours on end with no help from anyone else. I understand completely that it is very different from Air Traffic Control and that ATC is probably one of the most stressful jobs out there. I like working under pressure and I do it every time I'm on shift. If I get the ok from CAA Medical department I will grab this opportunity with both hands and hold on very tight and I wont let go. This is probably the most helpful forum I have joined and I have utmost respect for all it's members and their opinions. Thanks again. I'll keep you posted as I await the news.....
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Old 25th Jan 2010, 18:24
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I agree 100% that you should give it a whirl if the medics pass you. However, it is as well to be aware of the possible problems. My views are based on training controllers over a period of some 30-odd years, both at home and abroad. For example, radar control is a skill. Some can do it; others cannot. Unfortunately, in many cases, this does not become obvious until live training commences but it is easier the younger one is.

Good luck and keep us posted..
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