VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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I read that the Renewal was 3.00 dioptres... I failed my class 1 based on 3.75 dioptres Astigmatism...
I am considering LASIK to have this corrected as they have not said they would not consider me once I can prove stability.. My view is that if I dont get it done at all I'll never get my class 1.... wheras i'll have given my self a fighting chance of gaining my class 1 after having it done... If they still say no ill be gutted BUT at least no more glasses ever! (appart for presbyobia which we all get in later life!)
I am considering LASIK to have this corrected as they have not said they would not consider me once I can prove stability.. My view is that if I dont get it done at all I'll never get my class 1.... wheras i'll have given my self a fighting chance of gaining my class 1 after having it done... If they still say no ill be gutted BUT at least no more glasses ever! (appart for presbyobia which we all get in later life!)
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Well i'm not 100% sure, but:
Initial:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_MED...%5B2189%5D.pdf
and then the 'Revalidation and Renewal of JAR Medical Certificates' page on the CAA website shows:
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...=90&pageid=531
So....
Initial:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_MED...%5B2189%5D.pdf
Originally Posted by first paragraph of that CAA document
Astigmatism must not exceed 2.00 dioptres.
and then the 'Revalidation and Renewal of JAR Medical Certificates' page on the CAA website shows:
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...=90&pageid=531
JAR Class 1
The initial refractive error (correction) limit is +5/-6 dioptres. There is no myopic limit for revalidation/renewal. The astigmatism (distortion) and anisometropia (difference between the eyes) initial limits are 2 dioptres, but there are no limits for revalidation/renewal.
NOTE: contact lenses must be worn if the anisometropia exceeds 3 dioptres.
The initial refractive error (correction) limit is +5/-6 dioptres. There is no myopic limit for revalidation/renewal. The astigmatism (distortion) and anisometropia (difference between the eyes) initial limits are 2 dioptres, but there are no limits for revalidation/renewal.
NOTE: contact lenses must be worn if the anisometropia exceeds 3 dioptres.
So....
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That answers my question then!
I guess (and hope and pray) that when I have my laser surgery done that I will be 2.00 diopters or below ... I've known from reading hundreds of forums / articles on line that people with higher dioptre astigmatism than myself have acheived a minimal or zero astigmatism post surgery so i am very hopeful!
I guess (and hope and pray) that when I have my laser surgery done that I will be 2.00 diopters or below ... I've known from reading hundreds of forums / articles on line that people with higher dioptre astigmatism than myself have acheived a minimal or zero astigmatism post surgery so i am very hopeful!
, and heres hoping they will relax the limited so I can be as lucky in the future 
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I have 2.5D astigmatism in my right eye, yet i passed the Class 1 medical in March. I guess I just got lucky, however it did take a lot of letter correspondance between the CAA and I. Originally, they wouldn't let me take the medical because I submitted a prescription which was outside of the initial limit (2.00) and it was after December 2006 so the 'deviation route' was closed. Following this initial denial, I saw many different opticians, and had eyetest after eyetest, until one (a highstreet chain that shall remain nameless) reported that i had only 1.75D in that eye! I then sent this report off to gatwick, and said that the original optician had got it wrong. It seemed i created enough doubt about my eyesight to require their optician to solve it once and for all.
My class 1 exam was an extremely nerve-racking event. I had to wait for about an hour in the waiting room as i was having an 'eyesight first' exam- they do this for marginal candidates to save the expense of the rest of the medical should they fail. After the very thorough test, the optician and I sat down in a side-room, i was convinced i'd failed, he said 'I measured your Astigmatism, it was much closer to your original prescription, 2.5 Dioptres'...Oh noooo i thought...that's it... the dream's over, but he continued to say..'im passing you fit class one'
I have no idea why he decided to pass me, maybe because i was such a pain writing to him all the time! or he was just in a good mood that day
Moral of the story...don't give up, do whatever it takes to pass. The CAA are your friend and they do want you to pass.
My class 1 exam was an extremely nerve-racking event. I had to wait for about an hour in the waiting room as i was having an 'eyesight first' exam- they do this for marginal candidates to save the expense of the rest of the medical should they fail. After the very thorough test, the optician and I sat down in a side-room, i was convinced i'd failed, he said 'I measured your Astigmatism, it was much closer to your original prescription, 2.5 Dioptres'...Oh noooo i thought...that's it... the dream's over, but he continued to say..'im passing you fit class one'
I have no idea why he decided to pass me, maybe because i was such a pain writing to him all the time! or he was just in a good mood that day
Moral of the story...don't give up, do whatever it takes to pass. The CAA are your friend and they do want you to pass.
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I did EYESIGHT first as well and failed yet was advised to carry on with the medical and spend the 302 quid!! - reasoning behind it.... well if i later got my eyes "fixed" he said and came back for class 1 then maybe id find something else wrong like a dicky ticker - so it made sense to me to eliminate everythign else and i think that if i re apply for class 1 within 1 year of last one i will only have to go through the EYE ONLY part again!!
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Question
Hello all,
I have a question...I don`t know if it`s been asked.
Say I have a pilot license from another country outside Europe, like a FAA or in my case also a Mexican license. And I have in both cases a class 1 medical.
If I decide to go live and work in Europe in the future I would have to get a JAA (or CAA) Class 1. But say I have a bit more than -6.00 (which is the initial limit). Could they consider giving me a class 1 based on my flight experience in these other countries if I have flown commercially for airlines, having flown with that same prescription (like doing a special assesment)? Or would it be a direct NO if I do my initial?
If it`s a NO, it doesn`t make much sense to me, because of their renewal regulation (no limits).
Thanks for the help
Best,
Arturo
I have a question...I don`t know if it`s been asked.
Say I have a pilot license from another country outside Europe, like a FAA or in my case also a Mexican license. And I have in both cases a class 1 medical.
If I decide to go live and work in Europe in the future I would have to get a JAA (or CAA) Class 1. But say I have a bit more than -6.00 (which is the initial limit). Could they consider giving me a class 1 based on my flight experience in these other countries if I have flown commercially for airlines, having flown with that same prescription (like doing a special assesment)? Or would it be a direct NO if I do my initial?
If it`s a NO, it doesn`t make much sense to me, because of their renewal regulation (no limits).
Thanks for the help
Best,
Arturo
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I have a FAR Class 1 medical and I asked the UK CAA if I would be threated as a renewal if I applied for a UK Class 1 medical and the said no. 
I don't have any licenses yet, which I did not tell them, so I think it is the same for all.
I don't have any licenses yet, which I did not tell them, so I think it is the same for all.
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Thrustidle74.. Just for curiosity, why have you gone over retesting your colour vision? As per JAA it only goes on initial, I think..
Why your employer asked you to retake the exam??
I am asking because something similar might hapen to me..
Thanks..
Why your employer asked you to retake the exam??
I am asking because something similar might hapen to me..
Thanks..
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Hi, just a quick reply to shunter.
Yes I failed on the last set of RED/GREEN lights, but the green didnt look as green as the previous one, so i thought it was white, so i failed on the last set, by saying white, not green! SOOOOOO
annoyed!
Hope Zurich goes well, I look forward to your reply, maybe if you pass you can fly at night at long last.
I just dont know what to do with my ppl now, any ideas..... ???? i just want to be up there flying......
Good luck guys.
Matt
Yes I failed on the last set of RED/GREEN lights, but the green didnt look as green as the previous one, so i thought it was white, so i failed on the last set, by saying white, not green! SOOOOOO
annoyed!Hope Zurich goes well, I look forward to your reply, maybe if you pass you can fly at night at long last.
I just dont know what to do with my ppl now, any ideas..... ???? i just want to be up there flying......
Good luck guys.
Matt
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Strobe lights,
Sorry to confuse you,I should have been more specific,I found a job in middle east that time and it was their CAA who asked for the retest.
As long as you stay put in Europe you are fine,don't worry.
Cheers
Sorry to confuse you,I should have been more specific,I found a job in middle east that time and it was their CAA who asked for the retest.
As long as you stay put in Europe you are fine,don't worry.
Cheers
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Colour Blind and Alternative Test...
Hello everybody.I have problem on my eye.I went to an eye doctor for a standart eye check.And he showed me Ishara.I did Ishara and I fail.He showed me 6 or 7 plates.(not first or second pages.they are easier)And I didnt see numbers.And doctor said me.You are a colour blind.(He didnt execute any other test for me because it was a standart check.Not for pilot training)And I said.I want to be a pilot since my 4 years.He said:You cant be a pilot but you can only take PPL.But I want to be an airline pilot.My father is an airline pilot and I traveled in cockpit 6 times at night and day time.I looked PAPI-VASI and other light in cockpit and outside.I saw everything.There wasnt a problem.
Then I found this site.My country is a member of JAA.And accorting to JAA if fail Ishara you can take other test.I said this to doctor.But he said.You failed a lot of pages.Your wrongs are crowded.So they will not give you other test.
Now I want to learn this.May I take the other test for colour.How many mistakes do they accept for give the other test?And really is there any mistake restriction for take an other test?I m waiting for your help.And it is very important for me.I looked all pages.And see your answers.And can you explain me other alternative test shortly.Thank you...
Then I found this site.My country is a member of JAA.And accorting to JAA if fail Ishara you can take other test.I said this to doctor.But he said.You failed a lot of pages.Your wrongs are crowded.So they will not give you other test.
Now I want to learn this.May I take the other test for colour.How many mistakes do they accept for give the other test?And really is there any mistake restriction for take an other test?I m waiting for your help.And it is very important for me.I looked all pages.And see your answers.And can you explain me other alternative test shortly.Thank you...
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oh mate thank you very much.I will try.I m sure.In fact I read something about this subject.But I didint find the correct answer for me.And I did 5-6 mistakeI think I should light gun test.I m searching.Thank you again.And I m waiting for answers ıf other people want to reply.
I think I should light gun test.I m searching.Thank you again.And I m waiting for answers ıf other people want to reply.
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Hi guys,
As I said earlier I got my appointment from City Uni,London for last week.I was on a layover,the total cost was 75 pounds.
Unfortunately they cancelled the appointment at a very short notice,then they send me another msg saying that if I can make it in 2 hours they would be able to perform the assessment...but I've already had a couple of beers by then and my crew hotel is in Heathrow.So I couldn't make it.
I'll try next time and keep you posted.
Cheers
TI74
As I said earlier I got my appointment from City Uni,London for last week.I was on a layover,the total cost was 75 pounds.
Unfortunately they cancelled the appointment at a very short notice,then they send me another msg saying that if I can make it in 2 hours they would be able to perform the assessment...but I've already had a couple of beers by then and my crew hotel is in Heathrow.So I couldn't make it.
I'll try next time and keep you posted.
Cheers
TI74
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katsogr,
Sorry to confuse you...At the time KLM Medical Clinic was the closest location to where I was based,that's why I went there.
The CAA asked for it was in Middle East...
Cheers
TI74
Sorry to confuse you...At the time KLM Medical Clinic was the closest location to where I was based,that's why I went there.
The CAA asked for it was in Middle East...
Cheers
TI74
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Okay guys.Thank you for your helps.It is very important for me.But this news is not good for me.I dont know medical standats of TURKEY for colour blindness test.I m going to search it.Thank you again.And lastly I m waiting for other answers if a person who has information about this subject.Thank you again...
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Just a small information to some of the people who wrote to me and asked about the result from the UK CAA.
I am still waiting for an answer. I have sent a kind reminder, which they responded to in a strange way, but it has now been 1½ months since I sent the request for dispensation for my vision. Next week I will give them a call, as I find it strange that it takes so long time to get an answer.
I am still waiting for an answer. I have sent a kind reminder, which they responded to in a strange way, but it has now been 1½ months since I sent the request for dispensation for my vision. Next week I will give them a call, as I find it strange that it takes so long time to get an answer.
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guys y are u making a big deal out of it?
Hi
"guys y are u making a big deal out of it?"
I just wanted to express my frustration with this comment, a BIG DEAL?
Yes it is a big deal to everyone who is part of this forum, and many more people who im sure just keep an eye on it and dont actually write anything!
And its a big deal because when flying, I can see all the lights, and when driving or walking, I can see any light, But in a stressfull test at Gatwick I cant!
Rant over
Matt
(sorry)
"guys y are u making a big deal out of it?"
I just wanted to express my frustration
with this comment, a BIG DEAL? Yes it is a big deal to everyone who is part of this forum, and many more people who im sure just keep an eye on it and dont actually write anything!
And its a big deal because when flying, I can see all the lights, and when driving or walking, I can see any light, But in a stressfull test at Gatwick I cant!
Rant over
Matt
(sorry)
