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under_exposed 5th May 2021 13:55


Originally Posted by Blacksheep (Post 11039171)
There's nothing mysterious about the decline of the pub. It's due to drink driving laws, lager louts and supermarket licensing.

The price of a pint may also have something to do with it. I was charged £5 a pint at one nearby pub.

treadigraph 5th May 2021 14:27

Five quid? You were lucky! Two pints of cider at a pub on the Surrey/Kent border last summer set me back £13... bought a round of three pints in the Crown near Woking two weeks ago which was £12.30 I think - micro pubs are often cheaper still. Cheap? I remember when I paid £3 for a pint of cider in a Richmond pub maybe 15 or 20 years ago. I think they used smelling salts to bring me round... it was about £2.50 in Croydon at the time.

Blacksheep 5th May 2021 14:52

I’ve matured to an age where one prefers malt whisky to beer. I hesitate to think what a double measure of Aberlour might cost, assuming one could find a public house that stocks it.

Mr Mac 5th May 2021 18:26

Blacksheep
If in West Yorkshire try the Old Bridge in Ripponden as I know they sell it, and it is a fine hostelry as well, or was when I was last there some 16months ago.
Cheers
Mr Mac

TURIN 6th May 2021 01:05


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11039149)
Traditional pub "fair" used to be cooked on the premises, but now get delivered in a van painted up "3663" or "Brake Bros" or some other mass catering business and trained "chef" has to chuck it in the microwave and fry a few chips to go on the side. The publicans have by and large no say in what goes on their menus, they are pre-printed and despatched to every outlet (I hesitate to call them pubs, or restaurants) and the wherewithal to put food delivered in by catering truck.

The exception to that is "carveries" where the kitchen team had the onerous task of roasting some large joints of meat, usually beef, port and turkey to a point where they are overdone, then place them under hot lights to finish of the cremation process in the restaurant. They also have to cook (?) vegetables, but invariably they turn out either virtually uncooked, of having gone down so far it's difficult to determine exactly what you're serving yourself with.

It is very sad that firstly, unless you go to a decent independent family owned establishment, you are likely to eat better food, properly cooked at home than going to a Toby, Harvester or Gawd forbid 'Spoons and watching the total lack of basic life skills of using a knife and fork you feel more like you're in a primary school dining room than a "restaurant" once you've got your pretty average plate of food. Worst, you've paid for it before you have even tasted it in many cases.

That about sums up the dire state of pub restaurants for the masses these days in UK. You can get decent food, it just costs a little more. We no longer eat out unless we can be confident we're going somewhere where the kitchen team can serve food better or more interesting than we can cook at home, and there are staff actually interested in looking after the customer who is, after all, paying their (albeit meagre) wages. South Asian and Thai restaurants provide some of the better affordable offerings in UK these days, and they generall aren't, by any stretch of the imagination "pubs".

Just avoid those Harvester types then.
Your summing up is wrong, myopic and does a huge disservice to those pubs that are making an effort. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I can walk to one such pub, cycle to another two and a reasonable taxi ride to another three or four.
Use em or lose em.

Little cloud 6th May 2021 04:44


Originally Posted by Fliegenmong (Post 11039174)
Just something that seemed intrinsically tied to a pub lunch in Southern England in Summer....maybe that is just my experience...

Wasn’t ‘Ploughman’s lunch’ invented in the mid 70’s? About the same time as chicken in a basket and Ciabatta bread.

Krystal n chips 6th May 2021 05:44


Originally Posted by Little cloud (Post 11039492)
Wasn’t ‘Ploughman’s lunch’ invented in the mid 70’s? About the same time as chicken in a basket and Ciabatta bread.

Chicken, and scampi, in a basket were around in the very late 60's early 70's because I contributed to both the "Shoulder of Mutton" and "Two Brewers" (RIP) profits every Saturday night from the Gov'ts less than generous pay for destitute apprentices.
Regarding Wetherspoons, much depends on the venue. The outlets in Stirling and Oban were very comfortable along with the quality of the food and service. In contrast to which, the one in Stone, formerly the Post Office I believe, is a dump. The only thing missing was the sawdust on the floor.

keyboard flier 6th May 2021 09:43

Agree with the spoons in Oban. Where else can you get a haggis pizza?

Cremeegg 6th May 2021 11:16

Treaders - what about the Royal Standard unalmost under, certainly in the shade of, Croydon Flyover. Some 30 years since I used to frequent it after playing snooker in the establishment under the multi-storey car park. As a Fullers establishment I'd expect a reasonable pub and a good pint of ESB.

treadigraph 6th May 2021 12:40

Cremeegg, Standard used to be a lovely little pub when run by Martin who had it for years. Since his retirement, there has been an Irish relief manager who was great, then several youngsters have been i/c - not really the same pub any more.

I've been to the 'Spoons in Oban as well - plus the other pubs we could find!

ShyTorque 6th May 2021 14:22


Originally Posted by keyboard flier (Post 11039611)
Agree with the spoons in Oban. Where else can you get a haggis pizza?

But then, where else would anyone want one? :}

(Actually, knowing me I'd probably try it).

Ancient Observer 6th May 2021 14:34

When I lived in, and later, near Chester I used to use a pub called The Albion Inn. It was right next to the Roman City Walls, and near a multi-storey car park, so it was very accessible.
Landlord back in mid 70s, (and still) was Mike Mercer.
He always kept great beer. Most days (after he extended the pub) his food was reasonably priced, and good to eat.
Mike is a one-off, and loved decorating his pub with whatever took his fancy. Of late, be has focussed on World War stuff.

Have a look at the reviews on Tripadviser. The photos show just how quirky Mike is.

And the beer is still well kept.


treadigraph 6th May 2021 14:46

I must have been to the Albion - been boozing in Chester at least twice!

Ancient Observer 6th May 2021 14:49

There were a lot of pubs in Chester. Beer crawls were fun, but challenging.

treadigraph 6th May 2021 16:46

I remember a nice one in the middle of a car park - been demolished now...

Haraka 6th May 2021 17:31

In my day, food, single women and children were not features of the village pubs I knew. They were refuges for the male community to get together and commune at the end of the day, even involving the local copper to advise on any niggles.
Drink driving ? Forget it! ( for crawling a few hundred yards home down a deserted street after "chucking out time")

But I emigrated several decades ago.......
Oh, and beer in the Mess was admittedly cheaper at 30p a pint. (Up from 10 p a few years earlier in the beginning of the 70's)

Krystal n chips 6th May 2021 18:15


Originally Posted by Haraka (Post 11039902)
In my day, food, single women and children were not features of the village pubs I knew. They were refuges for the male community to get together and commune at the end of the day, even involving the local copper to advise on any niggles.
Drink driving ? Forget it! ( for crawling a few hundred yards home down a deserted street after "chucking out time")

But I emigrated several decades ago.......
Oh, and beer in the Mess was admittedly cheaper at 30p a pint. (Up from 10 p a few years earlier in the beginning of the 70's)

Was the formaldehyde on draught, or bottled ?

Haraka 6th May 2021 18:22


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 11039920)
Was the formaldehyde on draught, or bottled ?

Either way, it bonded a working community!

spekesoftly 6th May 2021 18:35


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11039873)
I remember a nice one in the middle of a car park - been demolished now...

Probably the 'Ship Victory' next to Gorse Stacks car park. Both demolished some years ago and replaced with a Bus Station.






stevef 6th May 2021 18:36

1972 RAF NAAFI beer price: 15p a pint. Weekly pay: about 28 quid. There was a choice of Watneys Special, Starlight and Youngers Tartan bitters from my diminishing memory. Watneys bitters and mild ale, Worthington E and Black Label lager (?) on tap at the village pub. Not many options in those days and pub food was Scotch eggs, pork or S&K pies and it was out the door at 10:45pm Sunday - Thursday or 11:15pm, Friday and Saturday. Yeah, those were the days... :}


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