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ATNotts 14th Apr 2021 08:51


Originally Posted by Kiltrash (Post 11027958)
Now the font of all knowledge the early morning tv presenters tell us that due to Covid HMTQ will have to sit apart ( on her own ) during the service. Pardon me but is she not allowed to form a support bubble with one other family as she is a household of one...with Charles and Camila, her eldest son, or William and Kate the countries favourite Royals?,

If I'm not mistaken, the support has to have been in existence already and can't be "invented" to suit the (sad) situation. Things may have changed by this time last year when we had the funeral of my mother-in-law we were allowed just 12 mourners, and the local authority that runs the crematorium insisted that, whether or not we were living in the same house (and I could assure them we were) Mrs ATN and I had to sit on separate chairs 2m apart from each other during the service. That was frankly ridiculous but we had no choice and it was traumatic.

If the rules are now different and people living within the same household can sit together, then allowing The Queen's chief lady in waiting to sit next to her would surely be the humane thing to do.

Problem is that Covid-19 had been very tough on those mourning loved ones, the Her Majesty will be no exception.

Jhieminga 14th Apr 2021 10:59

The interesting question is whether HMTQ would want to have someone sit next to her, or whether she would prefer to seated be apart. I suspect that showing the proper image to the outside world will play a role here.

Mind, I'm not judging either way, HM deserves a lot of respect for the way she has handled the job so far and will undoubtedly continue in this vein.

Krystal n chips 16th Apr 2021 04:20

"Great understatements of our times ".....c/o the BBC followed by a justification that would be worthy of the script in "Yes Minister "....

Of course, the unfortunate timing of a football match may also have contributed to their decision not to have a reprise of last Friday's coverage...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ord-complaints

No doubt some of the population will be viewing wearing a regulation black arm band and standing rigidly to attention in front of their television.....I intend to be asleep.


ExSp33db1rd 16th Apr 2021 04:51


I intend to be asleep.
So will I, will be 2.00 am Sunday where I am.

Blue_Circle 16th Apr 2021 12:46


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11026177)
BBC 2 lost 65% of viewers over repeating the Death shows.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ips-death.html

C4 under fire too for carrying on :ugh:

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...-with-Me-video

I wonder how all this whinging stacks up aginst the huge quantity of opinionated bods who seem to constantly complain that they never watch the BBC and spend their time glued to box sets on Sky and Netflix.

Kiltrash 16th Apr 2021 15:11

Heathrow to stop all movements during a 6 minute window @15.00 and during the Funeral no arrivals or departures to be routed over Windsor 14.45- 16 15

stevef 17th Apr 2021 22:06

It was heart-breaking to see the queen as alone as she'd ever be at the service this afternoon. No matter what opinions we might have on The Royal Family, she was bleeding inside as much as any of us would after being married for 73 years.

Uncle Fred 17th Apr 2021 23:44


Originally Posted by stevef (Post 11029924)
It was heart-breaking to see the queen as alone as she'd ever be at the service this afternoon. No matter what opinions we might have on The Royal Family, she was bleeding inside as much as any of us would after being married for 73 years.

Indeed. No matter one's opinions of those following the hearse as it made its way to the steps, it was heart-wrenching to see HM isolated and with her head bowed in what was undoubtedly the most painful moment of her life.

TLDNMCL 18th Apr 2021 02:59


Originally Posted by stevef (Post 11029924)
It was heart-breaking to see the queen as alone as she'd ever be at the service this afternoon. No matter what opinions we might have on The Royal Family, she was bleeding inside as much as any of us would after being married for 73 years.

Quite so. I have become somewhat indifferent to the Royals in recent years, but for the lady herself, regardless of position in society, with not even a hand to hold on a day such as was, it must have been agony.

ORAC 18th Apr 2021 07:03

Two moments struck me with regards to the Queen.

First after she climbed out if car and was met at the door of chapel by the archbishop. Hunched over and hobbling she suddenly seemed every one of her 95 years.

Secondly there was one moment when she lifted her bowed head to look upon the coffin from her seat and she had that million mile stare and hollow eyes of bottomless grief.

The loneliness of the throne surrounded by hundreds but always at a degree of separation which is vast and without the relief of being able even able to look up and see him across the room - let alone sitting alone in the rooms in which they shared their private moments will extract a heavy price in the months to come.

I really fear she won’t outlast him for long.

Alsacienne 18th Apr 2021 08:27

The event was beautifully managed and showed traditional British pageantry. This was a moment to be proud of those who serve in our armed forces, and to feel close to those in mourning, whoever they are, and wherever they are. 'Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.' Not my words, but my sincere wish for all who shared their raw pain with Her Majesty yesterday.

Spunky Monkey 18th Apr 2021 08:31

I agree with ORAC, I felt so terribly sorry for the Queen when she stopped and turned back to look at the herse.
No matter what you think of the Royal family they were a family in grief and perhaps some should acknowledge that, in my opinion, they were very dignified in what must have been a truly awful day having your grief beamed around the world to millions while every movement is dissected by talking heads, gossip columnists and the vengeful.

The parade was immaculate and some parts were outrageously moving and I have to admit my hayfever was severe yesterday.
My sympathies were with the Pall Bearers, they carried out their task without fault in tremendously difficult circumstances.

The coverage from the BBC was sympathetic panning away to the lone piper as he was lowered, which was very moving and gave the family privacy.

For me the most moving parts where when he was piped aboard and later when the Choristers sang Eternal Father, Strong to Save.

cattletruck 18th Apr 2021 11:12

The small choir was just divine. It brought back memories when I had an evening spare in the UK and followed the crowd to St Paul's Cathedral for an evening mass. I took a pugh and was completely overwhelmed by the beautiful resonating performance of their full choir. I actually stayed much longer than I intended.

hiflymk3 18th Apr 2021 13:02

The images of the Queen in her grief are very moving. But am I alone in thinking that the funeral should have been a private affair?

Gipsy Queen 18th Apr 2021 13:23

I was dreading witnessing yesterday’s funeral; I need not have feared. Regardless of the sadness of the occasion, it was magnificent and stimulating, demonstrating that occasionally, we can get things right.

The forces’ turnout was immaculate as always is to be expected, I was proud to see my old regiment flanking the steps opposite the Blues and Royals, but I have to say that ceremonial drill with these new automatic weapons looks silly and more than a little contrived. The old and familiar Enfields should be retained for this purpose. The choir, such as it was, performed with distinction and the RM buglers provided the most magnificent Last Post I think I have ever heard – a truly excellent contribution. The lone piper and the lament were exceptionally poignant. The Scots make fine soldiers and it will be a tremendous loss if that snippety bitch takes them out of the British army. Might she have the power to do this?

Underneath all was an abiding thought that whilst it’s acceptable for crowds to participate in football and snooker matches, Her Majesty was obliged to sit in lonely isolation of any immediate human comfort and support. Perhaps this was an act of solidarity with those who have been similarly bereaved but I couldn’t help feeling that there was an element of governmental spite somewhere, like Tony Blair and the Royal Yacht. I hope I’m wrong.

It was a truly wonderful ceremony made even more so by the blessed absence of the usual attention-seeking bloody politicians. I suspect it was the Duke rather than Covid that kept them at bay. Either way, it was a glorious relief to be spared these reptiles, even for a short time..

anxiao 18th Apr 2021 13:43

I was also moved by the appropriate scale of the occasion. A family in mourning and a suitable amount of the military of which he was honorary leader. The officers and men came out to pay their last respects to their boss.

I found his choice of hearse perfect. Wonderful British understatement, not for him a Rolls Royce long wheelbase, just the type of vehicle in which he has spent so many happy hours throughout his life. I suspect we shall be seeing many more Landrover hearses in the next few years as a sign of the times. Rollers are so last century...

radar101 18th Apr 2021 17:46


The old and familiar Enfields should be retained for this purpose
I agree - reversed arms with the modern weapon does not work

R101

wowzz 18th Apr 2021 22:24

Whilst I agree totally about the Queen being lonely and isolated, there is no political spite involved. The rules, like them or not, have been imposed on all of us, and I imagine the last thing that the Queen, or indeed the PoE would have wanted, would have to be given any preferential treatment.
Thousands of bereaved partners have had to sit alone at funerals over the last year. I doubt that the policy has saved a single life, but it "ticks a box" in the checklist.

flash8 19th Apr 2021 20:13

When the Queen departs it will truly be an end of an era, one that even I will be moved by (and I'm not exactly endeared to the old country) - suspect that it will also be the end of the Royals as many if not most of the young couldn't care less, gradually will slip into oblivion. I hope Charlie becomes King though - always liked the blighter - although most of my British friends despise him... OK he can't handle a 146... but really?

Gipsy Queen 20th Apr 2021 00:20


Originally Posted by flash8 (Post 11030847)
When the Queen departs it will truly be an end of an era, one that even I will be moved by (and I'm not exactly endeared to the old country) - suspect that it will also be the end of the Royals as many if not most of the young couldn't care less, gradually will slip into oblivion. I hope Charlie becomes King though - always liked the blighter - although most of my British friends despise him... OK he can't handle a 146... but really?


the end of the Royals - not in a revolutionary way but I agree flash, that this is likely. The country has undergone fundamental and irreversible change since Her Majesty and the Duke assumed their roles. The traditional notions of pro patria, the cultural and religious values once the glue of our national framework and which the monarchy represents, have been rejected by an ignorant, neo-Marxist and hedonistic millennial generation in favour of the new, largely unworkable (but conformingly woke) orthodoxies. In this new order I see no room for a Royal Family of declining national relevance. Sadly, and to the nation's (however that may be constituted in the future) disadvantage, the stability, comfort and wisdom embodied in the institution will be lost.

But by all means, haul up the ladder, for I shan't be here to witness the carnage.


Dan Dare 20th Apr 2021 08:28

My hope is that these “woke orthodoxies” aren’t universal, just the loudest voices at the moment, and that people regardless of colour or creed are more sensible. The funeral was beautifully done and had many pointed mentions of service and duty. I had to chuckle at the idea of HRH choosing the passage in the first lesson from Ecclesiastes with “He scattered the snowflakes...”.

Less Hair 20th Apr 2021 10:29

You can't get much more return on investment than having Royals work for life and tens of years each. They even seem to top Popes. I don't see any end of the Royals approaching. They will focus on the core team but stay relevant.
Aside from a little drama here and there they in fact have some bright minds ready. Their non always PC and non politician style is worth a bit. They are set to stay and this is why they care from a different perspective.
They even promote aviation. What more could be asked for?

flash8 20th Apr 2021 13:42


the end of the Royals - not in a revolutionary way but I agree flash, that this is likely. The country has undergone fundamental and irreversible change since Her Majesty and the Duke assumed their roles. The traditional notions of pro patria, the cultural and religious values once the glue of our national framework and which the monarchy represents, have been rejected by an ignorant, neo-Marxist and hedonistic millennial generation in favour of the new, largely unworkable (but conformingly woke) orthodoxies. In this new order I see no room for a Royal Family of declining national relevance. Sadly, and to the nation's (however that may be constituted in the future) disadvantage, the stability, comfort and wisdom embodied in the institution will be lost.
Not sure I'd attempt to go that far Gypsy! But was thinking about this today and realized for those of use fifty and over the Royals have in some way been an integral part of our lives, for better or worse. Today's generation (risking sounding like an old fart) frankly have no time for what they see as an anachronism , but what disturbs me more, is that in a way the Royals (esp. the Queen) were woven into our value system, our lives and our very being - they were part of the "glue" that bound us together as a nation. The decline of the Royals mirrors the decline in values in society, it's all about me-me-me now, from the top to the bottom.

Like many I suspect had a Grandmother who bemoaned "the good 'ol days" and here was flash, laughing inwardly at her as a youth, well the laughs on me now, for we will never see our good 'ol days again, and good they were.

I left the UK a few decades ago however the Queen one of the few I respected then and now.

ThorMos 20th Apr 2021 14:46

I would love to hear what he really, really thought of the ex-president Donny...

esa-aardvark 20th Apr 2021 16:05

I met him twice. First time he got out of his helicopter, after about a 15 min journey.
Said 'how do you do ?' to me. I had trouble responding, never seen anyone so smartly
groomed before. 'How do you do' did not cut the mustard. Fortunately was accompanied
by a decent number of 18 year old girls, so did not have to say much.
Second time was talking to him about conservation of some land, when the local great & good noticed. All
of a sudden he was weaned away, and I was on my own.

Gipsy Queen 20th Apr 2021 18:51


Originally Posted by ThorMos (Post 11031283)
I would love to hear what he really, really thought of the ex-president Donny...

I should be very surprised if he bothered to think about him at all!


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