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visibility3miles 5th Apr 2021 02:07

Florida: Waste pond may burst dam releasing radioactive waste
 
Okay, Florida is a whipping boy for stupid in the US, but I guess I better bone up on chemistry to figure out why a phosphate mine has an overflowing waste pond ready to spill radioactive material in Manatee County...

Phosphate is the key ingredient and uranium and radium are random byproducts?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fl...se/ar-BB1fhtr6

ORAC 5th Apr 2021 05:54

Radioactive material is all around us in small quantities - from radon seeping out of rocks to residue from coal mining. It’s just theextraction and processing concentrates it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...nuclear-waste/

https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioact...zer-production

charliegolf 5th Apr 2021 08:59

I'm confident that the people who own the pond are certain that there's nothing to worry about. (And if there was, they don't live there, so all good.)

CG

Sallyann1234 5th Apr 2021 09:18


Originally Posted by charliegolf (Post 11022583)
I'm confident that the people who own the pond are certain that there's nothing to worry about. (And if there was, they don't live there, so all good.)

CG

The Bhopal Principle.

cattletruck 5th Apr 2021 09:54

But isn't this how American comic book super heroes are born?

Ancient Mariner 5th Apr 2021 15:03

Oh, Florida USA. I thought we were talking some third world shit hole.
Carry on.
Per

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 6th Apr 2021 16:24

What makes me wonder is the "Must evacuate 300 houses in case this gigantic pool of radioactive waste inundates the neighbourhood, but in the meantime, to address the problem, we'll just pump it all into the ocean" :eek:

tdracer 6th Apr 2021 18:41


Originally Posted by Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! (Post 11023435)
What makes me wonder is the "Must evacuate 300 houses in case this gigantic pool of radioactive waste inundates the neighbourhood, but in the meantime, to address the problem, we'll just pump it all into the ocean" :eek:

I suspect the 'radioactive' aspect is being hugely overplayed - as ORAC notes radioactivity is all around us - it's not generally a problem until it's concentrated and I doubt these ponds have high concentrations.
But you're really talking the 'wisdom' of the EPA here - you know the same ones who fine people millions for small toxic waste spills but then accidentally dumps millions of gallons of the stuff into a pristine mountain stream and ignore it?
About 30 years ago, they were refurbishing the I-90 floating bridge over Lake Washington. They were using water cutters to remove the concrete road surface so they could redo it - but the EPA said you can't let that contaminated water spill into the lake and pollute the lake - you need to store it in the bridge pontoons until you can remove it for proper waste treatment. So they did, but a big storm came up - with all that extra water weight in the pontoons the bridge broke-up and sank - which or course resulted in absolutely no pollution in the lake. :ugh:

treadigraph 6th Apr 2021 18:58

Do I recall a Californian being prosecuted by the EPA a few years ago for piddling in a large reservoir that is stocked with millions of fish and myriad aquatic birds and mammals, all doing their business in the water - which is presumably filtered and chemically cleaned up before it enters domestic plumbing systems in downtown LA or wherever...?

Certainly do recall Steve Coonts talking to various small airfield owners he visited during his aerial odyssey in a Stearman, about having to dig up their fuel tanks to check for contamination, etc, etc, all at the sort of cost that would put them out of business.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 7th Apr 2021 20:43

so are you both saying we'd all be better off without the EPA?

tdracer 7th Apr 2021 21:29


Originally Posted by Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! (Post 11024091)
so are you both saying we'd all be better off without the EPA?

No, I'm saying we'd be better off if the EPA was somewhat competent and held responsible for their actions (or lack there of). Most of it's regulations go through without any reasonable of cost/benefit analysis - e.g. if it has a benefit that's all that matters no matter what the costs.
As it is, it's just another government bureaucracy that largely exists to maintain it's existence (a common problem in government).

packapoo 7th Apr 2021 22:14


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 11022605)
The Bhopal Principle.

:ok::ok:, go Sal!


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