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visibility3miles 24th Mar 2021 16:50

“Not as quick as airport's workers covering Airlines names after a whoopsie.“

In 1982, I was a passenger on a World Airways flight that landed in Boston’s Logan Airport the day after the plane on the identical route slid off the end of the runway and dipped its nose wheel into the harbor. The cockpit cracked forward, presumably giving the pilots an excellent view of the sea when they called the tower.

The plane was still stranded partway into the ocean when we landed, and, when they weren’t looking at the snow and ice all around, every passengers’ eyes were riveted on the plane.

I did notice that World Airways had already either painted over their logo on the plane, or draped something over it, so it didn’t serve as a large billboards for the word, “Oops.”

visibility3miles 24th Mar 2021 17:12

The link
https://gcaptain.com/grounded-mega-s...th-directions/

has updates, such as that high winds were involved and that it may have embedded its bulbous nose firmly in the embankment, which would explain the presence of what looks like a ridiculously small excavator, given the vast bulk of the ship.

RatherBeFlying 24th Mar 2021 17:26

Methinks the Suez authorities will be upgrading their salvage capabilities to handle casualties of this size. The excavators look quite puny in comparison to the size of the problem.

Mr Optimistic 24th Mar 2021 18:53

but they built the pyramids without power tools...

visibility3miles 24th Mar 2021 18:59

If you offer a free take away for anybody who can lighten the ship’s load by having a Covid compliant “container” take out, I’m sure they could float the boat quite quickly and be in their merry way. ;-)

Perfect fodder for a reality TV show.

SpringHeeledJack 24th Mar 2021 19:15


Quote:
I suppose it was bound to happen sometime in the Suez or Panama Canals.
Ignoring the many years it was shut during the Arab-Israeli wars, it was closed for 3 days in 2004 and again for a few hours each time in 2016 and 2017. Which is why they have a fleet of tugs on standby...
I was referring to super large ships and not harking back to the disaster that was the Suez Crisis etc.

It makes me wonder with the immense size of such ships that manoeuvrability in confined channel leaves little margin for error. In this case there was an experienced canal pilot in charge and yet here we have this issue. It's surprising that it doesn't happen in extreme more often.

lomapaseo 24th Mar 2021 19:19

How about opening the petcocks and letting the ship sink and let the surface containers float away. Then close the petcocks and pump out the water raising the ship off the mud.

Mr Mac 24th Mar 2021 20:32

My cousin is in the line behind. He says this may not end very quickly. His crew sunbathing for once.
Cheers
Mr Mac

treadigraph 24th Mar 2021 20:32

Surprised no one's put the METAR up yet...

Ant 24th Mar 2021 21:01

Was listening to the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 this afternoon. One contributor to the show had some very un-complementary things indeed to say specifically regarding the quality(!) of the Suez pilots who come aboard vessels navigating the canal, albeit her account dates back to 2010 but maybe things have not changed since, resulting in this incident.

The show link:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000tcw8
and fast forward to 16 minutes in or so to hear her specific comments. Not flattering, and a possible explanation as to the cause of the incident.

Alsacienne 24th Mar 2021 21:39

If the ship can operate on battery power, perhaps it should be renamed 'Ever Ready'??

jolihokistix 24th Mar 2021 23:27

Many moons ago I went through on a cargo ship, and the pilot who finally came on board outside Suez was most unpleasant, a little strutting general.
As a friend of the son of the owner, I was allowed freedom of the ship and bridge, but to avoid boredom generally mucked in and helped out wherever possible. Our Captain stood back respectfully. The pilot half turned to me and suddenly shouted “SHTREI!” It sounded like Russian, and all the stories I’d been told came flooding back. A second time he shouted, and then it clicked. He was ordering me to bring him an ashstray, and taking pleasure in his position of power and the humiliation it might cause.

Fly-by-Wife 25th Mar 2021 00:00

I believe the captain has committed Suez-side.

NutLoose 25th Mar 2021 00:17

What you need is piston aircraft, they used to swing carriers around in tight harbours like Malta by lining the aircraft up facing port and stb then revving the bolloxs off them, the carrier would then rotate around its axis.

lomapaseo 25th Mar 2021 00:45


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11015771)
What you need is piston aircraft, they used to swing carriers around in tight harbours like Malta by lining the aircraft up facing port and stb then revving the bolloxs off them, the carrier would then rotate around its axis.


There is a war movie where they did that on a US carrier and burned out a few rotary engines in the process, Something to do with the time at power with little airflow. I vaguely recall it was the admiral who ordered it and the Captain who objected.

Thaihawk 25th Mar 2021 00:52


Originally Posted by Fly-by-Wife (Post 11015763)
I believe the captain has committed Suez-side.

Or at least developed Suez-idal tendencies.

A Classic post!

Loose rivets 25th Mar 2021 00:58

I'd ask the tug to carry my port hook as far as he could get it and then power up the winch.

merch 25th Mar 2021 02:18

Although retired about 10th years ago, I have transited the Suez canal many times on a VLCC, not as long as the Evergreen ship (330m against 400m) but still quite large.

Like everyone else the Suez pilots vary in ability, but considering the number of ships that transit the canal and lack of incidents, they must have something going for them. Some can be arrogant, unpleasant and demanding of their presents but others......

No idea why the ship went aground, could be mechanical or human failure, the sudden gust of wind sounds a bit iffy from my armchair but I could be wrong.

The cant to Starboard that has been talked about. In my experience a ship with the engine stopped will continue in a straight line subject to wind etc. With the engine going ahead, rudder amidships, the ship will veer to starboard quite gently at first, but the turn will tighten. I was always led to believe that this was due to the corkscrew motion of the water from the RH propellor pushing against the RH side of the rudder hence moving the stern to port. Likewise when going astern the corkscrew water motion will push against the hull of the ship on the starboard side, water flow is now aft to forward, causing the stern to move to port, bow appears to move to starboard.

The problem with canal transits is that the ship pivots about a third of the way down from the bows when turning due to the rudder. This means the majority of the ships length is moving the other way, bow turns to starboard, stern moves to port. If the vessel is off the centre line of the canal, say to starboard, this is corrected by putting the helm to port, which causing the stern to go further off line to starboard toward the canal side. The longer the ship in relation to the canal width the greater the problem.

Uncle Fred 25th Mar 2021 02:51

Interesting comment Merch. Enjoyable to read of the experiences of those, like you, who have transited the canal.

Anyone have an idea of how much the losses are per hour or day that the canal is closed? Must be staggering with the number of vessels that are now in the queue.

tartare 25th Mar 2021 03:11

Indeed.
I would imagine Lloyds and their like are working flat out at the moment?


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