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Loose rivets 16th Apr 2021 22:55

It seems ridiculous to actually hold the ship up further. Being threatened with not being able to come back would be sufficient lever.

tdracer 17th Apr 2021 01:12


Originally Posted by Loose rivets (Post 11029424)
It seems ridiculous to actually hold the ship up further. Being threatened with not being able to come back would be sufficient lever.

It's a pretty good bet that if Egypt sticks to their $Billion ransom, you won't ever see another Evergreen ship passing through the Suez.
It will also give other shipping company's good reason to re-think their use of the Suez canal...

krismiler 17th Apr 2021 07:18


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 11029451)
It's a pretty good bet that if Egypt sticks to their $Billion ransom, you won't ever see another Evergreen ship passing through the Suez.
It will also give other shipping company's good reason to re-think their use of the Suez canal...

At the moment there is no real alternative to the Suez canal, unless you want to sail all the way around Africa. Global warming may open up the northern artic route in a few years, but until then the Egyptians have the upper hand.

RatherBeFlying 18th Apr 2021 04:29

The Egyptians would do well to consider that whatever they receive in compensation/ransom will inevitably be taken into insurance rates. Once the insurance rates for ships of the Ever Given class transiting Suez exceed the cost of going around the Cape, the Egyptians will have shot themselves in the wallet :}

tdracer 18th Apr 2021 04:33


Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying (Post 11030002)
The Egyptians would do well to consider that whatever they receive in compensation/ransom will inevitably be taken into insurance rates. Once the insurance rates for ships of the Ever Given class transiting Suez exceed the cost of going around the Cape, the Egyptians will have shot themselves in the wallet :}

Exactly!
One more $Billion dollar ransom, and shippers may well decide that the trip around Africa isn't all that far out of the way after all. The goose that laid the gold egg comes to mind - kill it and there won't be another....
The Suez Canal was out of action for a long time after the '67 war - and the world managed just fine. Egypt would be wise to remember that...

TWT 18th Apr 2021 05:56

At face value, $900 million sounds like extortion.

But, is it possible that the Suez Canal Authority is facing compensation demands from the long list of shipping companies which had their goods delayed ?

Perhaps someone who has knowledge of standard agreements or contracts for Suez Canal transits may wish to comment.

krismiler 18th Apr 2021 09:03

Force majeure will probably come into play, this a common clause in contracts which essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as a war, strike, riot, epidemic, sudden legal changes, or an event described by the legal term act of God, prevents one or both parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract.

The ship was stuck for a week and the disruption caused ran into the billions, it would be possible to plan alternative routes but these would be more costly and time consuming. For example, more ships and crews would be needed to take into account the extra time to complete a voyage. Inventory control would need to be looked into with increased delivery times.

The whole thing is a lawyers picnic, the pilot was guiding the ship, the Captain is ultimately responsible, the canal authority allowed a ship of that size to transit and the weather conditions weren't ideal. Which country would legal proceedings be held in ? The ship is Panamanian flagged, Japanese owned, Taiwanese operated and the incident occured in Egypt.

radeng 18th Apr 2021 10:26


The whole thing is a lawyers picnic
Perhaps more like a lawyers' free banquet than merely a picnic!

Krystal n chips 23rd May 2021 06:39


Originally Posted by radeng (Post 11030151)
Perhaps more like a lawyers' free banquet than merely a picnic!

Now that you mention it.

Ever Given owner says Suez canal authority at fault for grounding | Suez canal | The Guardian

SpringHeeledJack 8th Jun 2021 08:31

In an idle moment I checked up on the Ever Given to see where she was in the world.

Still within the Suez Canal it would seem, at the location she recovered to (Great Bitter Lake) after being freed from her unfortunate position blocking the lower canal. I've looked for further information about the situation, but can't seem to find anything beyond the end of April. Obviously there is an almighty legal wrangle between the owners, the insurers, the Suez Canal and the Egyptian Govt. Are the containers still on board, or have they been off-loaded somehow to carry on their journey, or still stuck on board ?

Any pointers appreciated.

uffington sb 8th Jun 2021 08:56

Don’t know, but the shortage of garden furniture and picnic hampers is being blamed on the canal blockage.

Mr Mac 8th Jun 2021 08:58


Originally Posted by SpringHeeledJack (Post 11058709)
In an idle moment I checked up on the Ever Given to see where she was in the world.

Still within the Suez Canal it would seem, at the location she recovered to (Great Bitter Lake) after being freed from her unfortunate position blocking the lower canal. I've looked for further information about the situation, but can't seem to find anything beyond the end of April. Obviously there is an almighty legal wrangle between the owners, the insurers, the Suez Canal and the Egyptian Govt. Are the containers still on board, or have they been off-loaded somehow to carry on their journey, or still stuck on board ?

Any pointers appreciated.

SHJ
My wife’s containers are still on board. They are having the products re made and they are already heading for the port in China. Their lawyers advise that they did not see a quick solution so they took the decision early to re make. They should be passing the Evergiven in a couple of weeks.
Not sure what the products on board the Evergiven will be like after a stay in Egyptian summer temps in an unrefrigerated container. In my own sector a competitor had some large issues on a project in Liverpool when a lot of material ended up spending the summer in the docks in Madras when the project was delayed, and a bright (not) QS elected to keep it in India as it was cheaper than UK. In short the powder coat delaminated when they de taped it resulting in many million pound bill for re spraying on site with corresponding delay and warranty issues.
Cheers
Mr Mac

barry lloyd 8th Jun 2021 09:15

The Great Bitter Lake is extremely saline in comparison with ordinary seawater. If she's there for any length of time, which could well be the case, it won't be doing her hull any good.
From Wiki:

The salinity of the lake also depends on how much seawater flows into it from the Red and the Mediterranean Seas.[6] Even when the canal is open, in certain places the Great Bitter Lake can have a salinity level "more than twice" the level of the sea. While this makes plant life difficult to exist there, many species (of crabs, for example) migrate from the Red Sea through the area.[7]

SpringHeeledJack 8th Jun 2021 10:07


Not sure what the products on board the Evergiven will be like after a stay in Egyptian summer temps in an unrefrigerated container. In my own sector a competitor had some large issues on a project in Liverpool when a lot of material ended up spending the summer in the docks in Madras when the project was delayed, and a bright (not) QS elected to keep it in India as it was cheaper than UK. In short the powder coat delaminated when they de taped it resulting in many million pound bill for re spraying on site with corresponding delay and warranty issues.
I did wonder, as obviously some cargo within the containers will be susceptible to extreme baking heat within the containers, at least those in direct sun most of the day. There are so many angles in this situation that will involve litigation before it's all finished, including the possible hull damage from the lake's waters in the post above.

The myopic thinking in your example of storing the containers in a cheaper port without even considering the big picture is to me, madness...At least discuss with those that might know before pulling the trigger on such a decision.

Mr Mac 8th Jun 2021 11:22

SHJ
He was promoted shortly after making the decision but left the company before the project got moving properly, and more importantly before they started to de tape the section. Needless to say he is still in the sector working with a main contractor who,s name begins with W.

Cheers
Mr Mac

LowNSlow 8th Jun 2021 11:54

Does his name sound like anchor?

Mr Mac 8th Jun 2021 12:52


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 11058840)
Does his name sound like anchor?

No comment 😊
Cheers
Mr Mac

Krystal n chips 11th Jun 2021 12:49

Nothing like trying to milk it for all it's worth really.

However, an interesting mention of those immortal words " I have / you have, control "

Ever Given remains grounded in Egypt as compensation battle rages | Egypt | The Guardian

SpringHeeledJack 11th Jun 2021 14:11

The facts covered in the above article are as I'd imagined them to be. However, it seems a certain mentality is clouding the actions of the SCA and Egyptian Govt. Proclamations of injury to reputation and salvage bonuses make up the crazy sum of over US $900million being demanded by the SCA, although they will go down to a lower figure.

Once in the canal, the ship was under the expert guidance of the SCA's Pilots, the salvage was carried out in the main by an experienced salvage firm, with some locals digging out the bow impacted bank with diggers and so on. Once free and shown not to be damaged, the ship should have at least been allowed to go to the first deep port to offload it's time-sensitive containers to other vessels for onward passage. The shipping industry, although with little choice but to use the SC, are watching and the image the SCA are presenting is not a good one. The 'black box' must have been analysed by now and the clear evidence presented by the shipping investigators. Maybe some freak occurrence took place, but from here it looks like the SCA through it's pilots could well be the culprit.

As an aside, the photo in the article shows the hull of the Ever Given looking a bit worn, perhaps affected by the waters of the Great Bitter Lake, where it has spent too much time.


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