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NutLoose 20th Mar 2021 19:34

More scum.
 
Title says it all, he should invite a few old mates around, that’ll sort the problem.


Ex-marine's home destroyed 'after standing up to yobs'




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-56468719

Kiltrash 20th Mar 2021 19:45

Unfortunately shows why you should not stand up to 2 " Scum " and report it to the Police for action.

Oh yes just remembered that the Government culled Police Numbers.

Oh course if he (and his mates ) had caught the Scum, who do you think the courts would have prosecuted?

( need a link to a Just Giving type page ).

NutLoose 20th Mar 2021 20:52

It’s even worse :(

https://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/what-we-do/our-stories/sean-ivey/

https://twitter.com/seanwivey?lang=en

racedo 21st Mar 2021 12:04

Give it a couple of weeks when the news media have gone away and the pubs have reopened and some tourists no doubt will be visiting. Reports of "Affray incidents" will get full police attention and condemnation (just enough to make it look like they care).

Blame will be on unknown outsiders :E

Sadly because of police cuts it will just go down as unsolved.

OvertHawk 21st Mar 2021 12:16


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 11013240)

Sadly because of police cuts it will just go down as unsolved.


Apparently there have been two arrests - whether they lead to charges or convictions remains to be seen

racedo 21st Mar 2021 14:31


Originally Posted by OvertHawk (Post 11013249)
Apparently there have been two arrests - whether they lead to charges or convictions remains to be seen

I was talking of the "tourists" visit from marines and some of the perps becoming involved in affray.:E

OvertHawk 21st Mar 2021 16:39


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 11013315)
I was talking of the "tourists" visit from marines and some of the perps becoming involved in affray.:E

Ahhhhhh...

Got you.

One would like to think that Karma will indeed catch up with these individuals. (Or if karma is unavailable then a couple of carefully discrete bootnecks)



NutLoose 21st Mar 2021 23:18

He hadn’t renewed his house insurance, so the house etc wasn’t covered, some good news though is a just giving has raised 200k so should help.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/campaign-launched-to-help-ex-marine-whose-home-was-destroyed-in-fire-after-stand/

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfund...p9ce_26ulsOPG0



In a Facebook post after the initial fire, he said: "We're good standing members of the community and now, because I spoke out against anti social behaviour my 5 year old boy, 7 year old girl, wife and myself were almost murdered whilst asleep.

"I want people to know that not enough is being done to curb anti social behaviour.

"People are not being held accountable or responsible.

"Help me to help you and everyone else who are becoming victims of the poison that lives in our local communities."

On Wednesday, hours before the arson attack, Mr Ivey posted on social media that his parents had been robbed when four men burst into their home.

He also said he had a run-in at the weekend with a young biker "riding like a lunatic" and saw another in the main street of the former mining village pulling wheelies and mounting the paths.

He called out groups of "young lads" seen riding quad bikes, and gangs gathering outside a local takeaway.

He wrote: "Something really has to change!!!

treadigraph 22nd Mar 2021 08:41

And he's absolutely right - anti-social behaviour from minor pains in the arse to the criminally reckless is rife. If you live somewhere where it isn't a problem, you are very lucky. The blame is put on lack of police, lack of things to do, cuts in funding - what about blaming a total absence of discipline?

Boot camp is what's needed. Round 'em up and lock them in with a few screaming RSMs for the school holidays. Boys AND girls. And I don't care if they are in their thirties and forties...

:E

beardy 22nd Mar 2021 09:47


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11013747)
And he's absolutely right - anti-social behaviour from minor pains in the arse to the criminally reckless is rife. If you live somewhere where it isn't a problem, you are very lucky. The blame is put on lack of police, lack of things to do, cuts in funding - what about blaming a total absence of discipline?

Boot camp is what's needed. Round 'em up and lock them in with a few screaming RSMs for the school holidays. Boys AND girls. And I don't care if they are in their thirties and forties...

:E

I think that you will find that reinforcing bullying with bullying tactics is counterproductive. Reinforcing 'good' behaviour is much more efficient. But I don't think that you want to hear that.

treadigraph 22nd Mar 2021 10:13

You aren't reinforcing bullying behaviour, you are opposing it. Anti-social behaviour requires punishment. Good behaviour reaps reward. Isn't it so much nicer when somebody smiles and says "thank you."?

beardy 22nd Mar 2021 14:18


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11013798)
You aren't reinforcing bullying behaviour, you are opposing it. Anti-social behaviour requires punishment. Good behaviour reaps reward. Isn't it so much nicer when somebody smiles and says "thank you."?

Absolutely good behaviour begets good behaviour. Bullying by a screaming RSM begets bullying by an erk. Certainly antisocial behaviour requires punishment, bullying is not punishment. It didn't work for many National Servicemen, remember Leslie Grantham and his description of his service that led to him committing murder?

treadigraph 22nd Mar 2021 16:38

I had an ex-Guards SM as a PE teacher at secondary school. Scary he was to begin with but he won our respect and by the time we were fifth formers he was a friend. My grandad was a Guards RSM - I didn't meet him but by all accounts he was OK, if a bit stern. I'm not talking about a sadistic regime of beatings and torture (I've no idea what Leslie Grantham did other than appear in a third rate TV series), I'm talking about a regime where the miscreants can appreciate how to behave properly, learn discipline, to respect others, etc. Being yelled at doesn't hurt you, no matter what the snowflakes might think. I was imbued with a respect for people, property and the world about us by my parents, teachers, friends parents etc. Quite a number of kids - and older people - are apparently totally lacking in that respect, and it would seem more so than ever before. Why might that be? A friend of mine is a teacher - he has a firm opinion on that score...

Tinribs 22nd Mar 2021 18:52

Try reading "the Veteran"

Momoe 22nd Mar 2021 19:51

Beardy et al,

This is not bullying, it's arson and probably attempted murder, not to mention criminal damage.

Using positive reinforcement has it's uses when dealing with schoolchildren, but the two out on bail are in their twenties, their time for positive reinforcement has long since passed. If found guilty, they are criminals not bullies.

dagenham 22nd Mar 2021 22:06

Having lived in New York during the bad times and the good, I can only cite the example of three strikes and your out showed results quickly.

The tactics you described donít work with the majority as they donít respect anyone. The beauty of three strikes is that after two most want to go straight and seek every way possible to avoid trouble.

at the moment the consequences in the uk ( I am back now ) donít apply, police are not local and are reluctant to act.

I cite the following.. live in a large town in Home Counties. Local plod shop is now retirement flats and nearest police office is now twenty miles away. I had a theft on my property - gave plod cctv with video and sound of perp, a name and Address. Took them three months to find him. Even went to the house to be told doesnít live here ... I managed to sort it on my own in the end.

Serious crime starts with the petty stuff, get that sorted and the rest falls into line

NutLoose 22nd Mar 2021 23:54

Agreed and the decriminalisation of shoplifting was a signal to those that crime does pay and often could lead to further crime.

J.A.F.O. 23rd Mar 2021 06:09

Shoplifting hasn't been decriminalised. There has been a change in the way in which lower value thefts have been handled but it's still theft.

NutLoose 23rd Mar 2021 10:03

JAFO...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...le/ar-BB1ela3Z

beardy 23rd Mar 2021 11:17


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11014529)

Still a crime and liable to prosecution either by the CPS or privately and still carries a criminal record. 'effectively' is not the same as actually. And yes I agree the police and CPS should prosecute law breakers.


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