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Effluent Man 24th Mar 2021 11:03

What puzzled me about the E Type was that with 265bhp and a kerb weight of around a ton and a half it had a top speed of ( according to the Motor test) 149mph. My first SLK weighed the same and had 100 Bhp less but had virtually the same figures. I once saw an indicated 155 on the autobahn near Dresden. Admittedly a slight downhill stretch and quite possibly a tailwind but where did that hundred horsepower go?

DType 24th Mar 2021 12:02

Comparing the 210 bhp of my XK140 with the 240 bhp of my TVR, and their relative performances, then either TVR seriously understated their power output, or Jaguar were VERY optimistic with theirs.

Effluent Man 24th Mar 2021 13:50

You know that as my first thought 70bhp per litre seems a lot for an engine designed in the early 50's. My guess is that the output is more like 200bhp. I wonder if they used a stripped down engine with no ancillaries and measured at the flywheel.

Ancient Observer 24th Mar 2021 14:39

A regular Elan S/E Mk 4 gave 115bhp out of a 1.6 engine. An old Ford block. Altho the block changed during the life of the Elan as Ford developed it. The Lotus twin cam head and Webers helped.Just Over 70bhp/litre.
The Sprint gave 130bhp.
A few tweaks get it up to 140/150.
Still c 1.6.

treadigraph 24th Mar 2021 14:42


Originally Posted by Ancient Observer (Post 11015418)
The Sprint gave 130bhp.

Breaks my heart to see one rotting away on a driveway a few hundred yards from me... suspect it's beyond reprieve now.

Effluent Man 24th Mar 2021 14:50

Why do they do that? A mate has a Healey 3000 rotting in his shed. It's been there thirty years and he's not touched it. I offered him ten grand for it and said I would restore it and let him use it whenever he wants. He said " I want it for a project"!

ShyTorque 24th Mar 2021 15:09

Ah yes, the project. Many of us have at least one. Mine’s a 1977 motorbike that’s been “pending” in my garage for almost seventeen years. I intend to get going with it any day now.....ish.

treadigraph 24th Mar 2021 15:11

This guy's got an old Jag as well...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....82e963ddbe.jpg

Hydromet 24th Mar 2021 22:25


Originally Posted by Discorde (Post 11015408)
Tidied the pic up for you Hydromet:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....731125e184.jpg

Thanks, Discorde. The original was damaged in a house fire before I was born.

Effluent Man 24th Mar 2021 22:46


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11015442)
This guy's got an old Jag as well...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....82e963ddbe.jpg

My mate bought a farmhouse with a big barn to store his. In addition to the Healey he has an MG Midget, an Armstrong Siddeley Hurricane, Morris 1000 soft top, Hillman Super Minx convertible, 1950 Mercedes saloon ( big one with a straight such engine) and a Buckler Ford special from about 1948. They are all slowing working their way into the ground. Your man looks to have a similar mindset.

treadigraph 24th Mar 2021 23:09

Sprint and Jag have been there for at least 12 years. I note the Sprint's wheels are non-standard; it was in fairly good nick back then, vinyl was intact, signs of rust along the bottom of the doors which I recall was standard - I had a 1500HL that went there, guy gave me what I paid for it two years earlier, totally unfazed by the rust - "as long as it's mechanically sound, I'm happy" - fair enough! Probably as well I didn't see it there 12 years ago, I might have been tempted...

I knew some people with a barn full of elderly cars years ago, a couple of gems amongst them.

SMT Member 26th Mar 2021 10:41

The first car I can remember was Dad's FIAT 127, in a dark blue colour. It was succeeded by a Datsun Cherry, brand new in 1980, and bought from a life-long friend of my dad owned the largest Datsun garage in Copenhagen. It did what Japanese cars did and Italians didn't; work. Every. Single. Time. That Cherry was the first car I ever drove, at a very illegal age, with dad riding shotgun and giving instructions. Which was very un-dad like, as he was very much a "rules are rules" kind of guy.

Dad's mate later became a dealer for Toyota and, to the surprise of nobody, that resulted in exchanging the Cherry with a Corolla, which also failed to ever go wrong. Like the Datsun, the Toyota never died but was replaced by a Yaris some time in the late 90s. That kept the parents on wheels until Dad died and Mom fancied a new car. The friend had long since retired, so she took me by the hand and we went shopping at VW, Skoda and SEAT for an Up!, Citigo or Mii. Skoda offered by far the best exchange price on the Yaris, and she's now happily pottering about in her Citigo.

Funny thing about the Citigo, when it reached 2 years it had to go for it's first mandatory 24-month/25.000 km service. Mom called up the dealer to book the service, who asked her about the milage. "Oh, around 3.000 km" Mom replied, which the dealer wanted confirmed. "Around 3.000" Mom repeated, at which point the dealer sounded as if he was talking to an elderly lady (correct) who hadn't a clue (incorrect); "very well Mrs. SMT, bring it in and we'll have a look at it".

The Citigo is now 8 years old and has just passed 20K. It looks, feels, drives and smells like a new car. It's legacy has already been sealed, as Mom has promised her granddaughter the car when she's either popped her clogs or is no longer able to drive.

JENKINS 26th Mar 2021 11:16

Answer to current topic in my case is 1982 Benz 230E, collected by father from the factory in Germany. Mine for 20 years, used, loved, and cared-for. Much admired when shopping in local large village.

NutLoose 26th Mar 2021 11:32


Originally Posted by JENKINS (Post 11016674)
Answer to current topic in my case is 1982 Benz 230E, collected by father from the factory in Germany. Mine for 20 years, used, loved, and cared-for. Much admired when shopping in local large village.

A lot of that model when I served in Germany were used as taxis, so you know they have to be good, strong, hard wearing, reliable and capable of high mileage, otherwise the Germans would have used something else. :ok:

Fareastdriver 26th Mar 2021 12:18


A lot of that model when I served in Germany were used as taxis
The same in Singapore. When they were assembled in in Singapore the taxi drivers changed their Austin Cambridges and they used to cruise the roads picking up and dropping people en route. Rich Singaporeans would not been seen dead in a Mercedes; There was no way they would be seen driving a Taxi.

Effluent Man 26th Mar 2021 13:03

That Mercedes diesel was so under stressed it would probably last forever. I remember driving a customer's one we had in for bodywork. I was following a bus and it out accelerated me! I just looked it up 64bhp in a car that weighed close to two tons all up.

Ancient Observer 26th Mar 2021 13:52

An extremely nice Malaysian guy I used to know was made Chair/CEO of the Malaysian part of a big UK corporate.
The boss's car had been a Merc.
My friend changed it to a Jag.
I asked him why, and he said he did not want to be driven around in a Taxi.

I nearly said, but at least a Merc will be reliable, but I wasn't sure his sense of humour went that far.

gerry111 27th Mar 2021 08:59


Originally Posted by Fareastdriver (Post 11016720)
The same in Singapore. When they were assembled in in Singapore the taxi drivers changed their Austin Cambridges and they used to cruise the roads picking up and dropping people en route. Rich Singaporeans would not been seen dead in a Mercedes; There was no way they would be seen driving a Taxi.

When I was working in Singapore 1981-83, many of the taxis were Datsun 260C's and diesel powered like the Mercs. The cast offs would end up in Malaysia.


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