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VP959 13th Sep 2020 21:54

This year's flu jab
 
Anyone else noticed that this year's flu jab seems to have a few more side effects than usual?

I've never had anything worse than a bit of a sore arm from the annual flu jab. However, this year's one has pretty much knocked me for six. Had the jab yesterday morning, woke up this morning feeling as if I had the mother of all hangovers. Through the day that's developed into a high temperature and the general aches and pains associated with flu, and right now I have a blinding headache to add to that lot. I guess it's just side effects from the jab, but it's not something I've ever had before, and I've been having flu jabs every year for some years now.

It's got me wondering if there's something significantly different about this years concoction, that's causing more side effects than usual.

Kiltrash 13th Sep 2020 22:12

Suggest you contact your Doctor.

Had our sms we are booked in for this Friday. With the Nurse, not to arrive early, call the reception to say we are here and they will get us in one door and out the other.


VP959 13th Sep 2020 22:22


Originally Posted by Kiltrash (Post 10884573)
Suggest you contact your Doctor.

Had our sms we are booked in for this Friday. With the Nurse, not to arrive early, call the reception to say we are here and they will get us in one door and out the other.

Thanks, that's my wife's advice too (she's a retired nurse). She's of the view that the side effects seem a bit worse than they should be, but I thought I'd check here, just in case this years batch is perhaps prone to causing more side effects than usual.

The system here was that we all had time slots to appear at the village hall, wearing masks, where they had a slick system set up, hand sanitiser, then temperature taken with an IT thermometer, directed to a flu jab station, then exit via the rear door. In and out in a couple of minutes first thing yesterday morning.

DaveReidUK 13th Sep 2020 22:45

Hopefully they didn't give you the wrong one.

When I booked mine, the practice had a big warning banner on the website explaining that the under-65 jab was a different one from that for us oldies, and we should all ensure that we booked the right one.

Loose rivets 13th Sep 2020 23:46

Keep us posted, and not just for selfish reasons. You have given consideration to Covid? I'm sure it's crossed your mind.

I've not been the same since shortly after my last flu jab, though I had no immediate reaction.

UniFoxOs 14th Sep 2020 07:07

Had the same reaction as OP to the first flu jab I was offered, by my company, in 1970. Never had the reaction since - 'cos I never had another jab.

Chances of getting flu in lockdown considerably reduced as the precautions would be exactly the same, so even less reason to have one this year.

VP959 14th Sep 2020 09:45

Just come off the phone to my GP. She thinks my symptoms are within the normal range of side effects for this vaccination, and has suggested I call her again if things don't get better over the next 48 hours. Woke up this morning feeling like I've been given a good kicking, aches and pains pretty much everywhere, much like having flu. Thankfully the headache's gone, and my temperature seems back to normal, so it does seem as if this year's jab has just caused a more severe than normal reaction for some reason.

I'm pretty sure it's not Covid-19, as we've been careful to minimise risk, and the symptoms seem to be much as I remember from having flu years ago, although nowhere near as severe. Be interesting to find out if this year's batch of vaccine causes a greater incidence of side effects, though. As they change the vaccine every year, it seems likely that some years might be more prone to producing adverse reactions than others. Perhaps I've just been lucky up until now, in not ever having had something like this happen before.

Landflap 14th Sep 2020 09:59

VP: honestly, hand on heart, I hate hearing of ill health and wish you well. ..........b o r t ........as we say in the North - if you are wondering what might be in the vax - you aint seen nothin yet.

SnowFella 14th Sep 2020 10:37

Had the jab for the very first time a few months ago, being just mid 40's I've never bothered before but this year SWMBO who's got near 20 years more life experience than me put her foot down and forced me.
Woke up 2 days later feeling like something the cat dragged in a week ago! Lasted about 48 hours before I started feeling human again.

WB627 14th Sep 2020 11:50

VP hope it is just short term.

I am advised that it could be side effects, depends how high temp was and that you can get muscle aches and a low-grade temp with the jab. Each years jab is slightly different to account for variations in expected prevalent flu strands. There may also be subtle changes in the other components, but it will all have been tried and tested before being rolled out. It uses dead virus cells so there is no way it can give you flu.




TURIN 14th Sep 2020 12:42

Isn't it a bit early to be getting the flue jab? How can it be known which one is the most common this early in the season?

Stan Woolley 14th Sep 2020 12:53


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10885042)
Isn't it a bit early to be getting the flue jab? How can it be known which one is the most common this early in the season?

Not really, if you see how many deaths are occurring from each virus! Maybe puts the Covid hysteria into perspective.


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VP959 14th Sep 2020 12:57


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10885042)
Isn't it a bit early to be getting the flue jab? How can it be known which one is the most common this early in the season?


Yes, it is early. We normally get it some time in October, but it seems that this year they are planning to vaccinate a lot more people, so are staging the vaccination sessions over a month or so.

In terms of the flu strains selected, that's done at the end of February each year, usually four strains are selected as being those most likely to be prevalent in the coming flu season and that gives about 6 months for the vaccine suppliers to formulate and test the new vaccine for use that autumn. The vaccine we're getting now will be the same as the one that we'd have been getting in October, but they've just speeded up production I believe.

Mr Mac 14th Sep 2020 13:02

VP959
I have my first Flu shot booked in for next week in the UK. From your description I am not sure I want it, but the company are doing it for all employees so I guess I will have to have it. Hope you feel better soon.
Cheers
Mr Mac

Ancient Observer 14th Sep 2020 13:09

I hope VP's symptoms are short term!

Touch wood - I have never had an adverse reaction. There is always the first time! Will let you know in a couple of weeks.

On timing, our bunch of quacks want to get us oldies out of the way soonest, so they can make even more money for sticking pins in to the over-50s.
I dunno why they want the youngsters to have the jab.

I guess they have a Barnard Castle plot to either put them all in hospital, or to keep them out. With Lord Barnard Castle, who knows??

VP959 14th Sep 2020 13:11


Originally Posted by Stan Woolley (Post 10885054)
Not really, if you see how many deaths are occurring from each virus! Maybe puts the Covid hysteria into perspective.



Probably worth pointing out the very big flaw in that graph, which is that Covid-19 didn't appear in the UK until 29th January, and completely unlike flu it wasn't endemic in the population for any of the period covered by that graph, and still isn't. It didn't kill anyone in the UK until March this year. Choosing to bias the presentation of data like this is a very common way for some to choose to try and make things seem other than they really are, too.

For example, how about choosing to compare the total number of global influenza deaths with the total number of global Covid-19 deaths to make the opposite point?

Globally, influenza kills between 290,000 and 650,000 people. So far this year, Covid-19 has killed about 929,000 people in about 9 months. We'll know how many people have died from influenza this year some time around February next year, when the data has been collated. My guess is that the incidence of influenza this year will be on the lower side of the normal range, and influenza deaths may well be around 1/3rd, or less, than those from Covid-19. This "proves" the opposite to that graph, that Covid-19 has killed many more people than flu

I'm not trying to gainsay anything here, just pointing out that picking and choosing data in order to make a particular point isn't really valid and could well be very misleading. In turn, misleading people can have unforeseen consequences, as we've seen on many occasions in the past.

Thanks for the expressions of concern and sympathy. The side effects seem to be wearing off now, just down to a few mild aches and pains and a bit of soreness around the injection site, which still seems a bit red and warm. I guess that whatever is in this years shot has provoked a stronger than normal reaction from my immune system, which, thinking about, might well be a good sign that it's working as intended.

Doctor Cruces 14th Sep 2020 14:20

Probably sourced from the cheapest possible supplier with all the attendant problems. Got mine booked and not looking forward to it now even though no major problems previously.

LowNSlow 14th Sep 2020 15:36

It appears from the NHS website that the over-65's flu jab will have different side effects to the under-65 jab:


Which type of flu vaccine should I have?

There are several types of flu vaccine.

If you're eligible for the flu vaccine on the NHS, you'll be offered one that's most effective for you, depending on your age:
  • children aged 2 to 17 are offered a live vaccine (LAIV) as a nasal spray; the live viruses have been weakened so it cannot give you flu
  • adults aged 18 to 64 are offered an injected inactivated vaccine; there are different types, but none contains live viruses so they cannot give you flu
  • adults aged 65 and over are offered an injected inactivated vaccine; the most common one contains an adjuvant to help your immune system have a stronger response to the vaccine


VP959 14th Sep 2020 15:50


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10885144)
It appears from the NHS website that the over-65's flu jab will have different side effects to the under-65 jab:


Thanks, I should have checked that out!

It seems likely that the symptoms I've had for the past day or so may well be down to being over 65 and having been given the one that provokes a stronger immune response. I can certainly confirm that this is exactly what it seems to have done!

This probably explains why I've never had such a response to the flu vaccine before. It was routine at work for it to be freely available, and I always took advantage of that, but it looks as if the vaccine back then may have been the "watered down" version of the one I've recently had.

Sallyann1234 14th Sep 2020 16:24

Why is the adult dose not done by a nose spray?


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