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parabellum 31st May 2020 08:11


Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 10787328)
Did anybody have the misfortune to see Miriam Margolyes Almost Australian.

I had the misfortune to have the TV tuned to the ABC last night and the on came “Miriam Margolyes Almost Australian”, who ever made up the title is a genius as it describes the English import perfectly, 2 lesbians touring Australia in a camper van searching out our failings, the racism and hatred.

It went to an aboriginal activist house, A women who had been the first indigenous member of Victoria’s parliament for the green party, In the conversation she said she had no Australian dream and how bad whitey had invaded Australia, so Greta and her have both had their dreams stolen, she went on to say she was connected to country , I noticed immediately her opulent home full of consumer goods and all the trappings of a privileged life, she and her daughter was dressed in fine white man cloths and I should imagine she had a fine white man invented car, what struck me was her colour, she was just like me. I bet the people who elected her did because they suffer from white guilt. From her place of privilege she is connected with the bush, I highly doubt it

Last Saturday I had a long conversation about people just like her with an Aboriginal man who told me about what is happening to the real black fella’s, while warning me about people like this Greens member, he said it is rife throughout the indigenous grievous industry with activist’s absorbing the grant money in running costs and wages, while the white leftists and barely aboriginals are making decisions that suit their own agenda, Glen said the true black fella’s are being discarded in the bush as this political agenda holds his black brother back and keeps them down, he also talked about the overt racism that is applied to Aboriginals who do not conform to the activists political views, vilified and attacked for their opinion, their jobs threatened and their Aboriginality removed, exactly the same as In America, if you dare to leave that plantation they attempt to destroy you..

Absolutely spot on Dark Night, during my eighteen years in country Australia I was able to see for myself how hypocritical the situation is and I don't believe having a go at Green politicians of doubtful Aboriginal ancestry, often rorting the system, is in anyway racist.

Crownstay01 31st May 2020 11:39


Originally Posted by parabellum (Post 10798103)
I don't believe having a go at Green politicians of doubtful Aboriginal ancestry, often rorting the system, is in anyway racist.

Of course you don't. Angry old rednecks never do.

Crownstay01 31st May 2020 11:50


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 10777686)
Crownstay, You left out those looking for factual and honest discourse, in the, probably quixotic, search for justice.

Are you claiming to be part of that group? Too funny!

Crownstay01 31st May 2020 12:14


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 10778320)
Crownstay, If we are to continue the ad hominem tone to this discussion, I would say most of your comments offer hyperbole ahead of substance.

I'd defer to you as SME on that score. What comments of mine do you claim are exaggerated?


Your use of the word “many” in relation to the Royal Commission’s findings against Pell appear, according to the Guardian, to number three.
You're citing a left-wing publication like the Guardian? Too funny. According to the redacted sections of the RC's findings, Pell failed to act in relation to at least six different individuals within his jurisdiction. That's six too many in my view - but not yours, apparently.


His failure as a junior priest to force his bishop to act against Ridsdale. The Commissioner neglects to identify how he might have achieved this in a climate where VicPol was actively protecting the paedophilic scum.
Citations to support that assertion?


His failure to recognise and somehow stop Ridsdale’s activities when they shared a house. I understand Paul Bon Giorno similarly lived with Ridsdale at this time and similarly claims to have had no knowledge of Ridsdale’s proclivities.
So what? I'd regard him as being as unreliable a witness as anyone else associated with Ridsdale.


None of this supports a claim that he is a paedophile himself.
Agreed. What it supports is the observation that Pell was and is an enabler of paedophiles.


Why not talk about the public support for sex with young boys from senior past managers in the ABC?
Feel free to do so if you have some reliable source for that claim. Why not explain why that's relevant while you're at it.

CoodaShooda 1st Jun 2020 03:51

Crownstay

I'll let your responses allow others to form their own opinions of the accuracy or otherwise of my comments.

With regard to the ABC matter, I'll refer to a summary published in the Australian on March 14 2014. I'll assume that you find this more palatable than the Guardian. :E"The then ABC radio program Lateline was established by the left-wing radical ABC operative Allan Ashbolt (1921-2005). It was Ashbolt who commenced the left-wing stack of the taxpayer-funded public broadcaster and his influence is still felt today. In his sympathetic history This is the ABC (MUP, 1983), Ken Inglis refers to “Ashbolt’s (ABC) kindergarten”.

It was in Ashbolt’s time that the ABC phenomenon emerged where debates were held in which everyone agrees with everyone else, including the presenter — all in a leftist way. And so it came to pass on July 14, 1975, when Richard Neville presented a Lateline program on pederasty where three adult men proclaimed what a great idea it was to have sex with boys. No other view was heard on the program.

Not surprisingly, the Lateline program on pederasty was subjected to considerable criticism by, among others, the Reverend Fred Nile (then of the morally conservative Festival of Light) and The Sydney Morning Herald. Needless to say, Nile and his fellow critics were dismissed and ridiculed. In his 1979 book Outside Interference: The Politics of Australian Broadcasting, ABC friend and one-time board member Richard Harding declared that the pederasty program “was too much for the susceptibilities of some worthy citizens”.

However, the most extraordinary intervention in the debate came from the then ABC chairman, Richard Downing. He said that “in general, men will sleep with young boys and that’s the sort of thing the community ought to know about”.

In a letter to The Sydney Morning Herald, published on July 19, 1975, Downing argued that “the phenomenon of pederasty” was “appropriate for public discussion in a society which, if it is to be open, democratic and responsible, needs also to understand the diverse natures of the people who compose that society”.

In other words, Downing stated that pederasty or “boylove” was an acceptable form of sexual behaviour which needed to be understood."

As to VicPol, it is well documented. Unholy Trinity by Dennis Ryan and Peter Hoysted would be a good starting point: From the advertising blurb -


"One policemen's desperate and moving account of how he tried for decades to bring a paedophile priest to justice - but was blocked by not only the Catholic church, but by his own Police Force.

One policeman's desperate and moving account of his struggle to bring a depraved paedophile priest to justice?only to find himself obstructed by the Catholic Church and betrayed by his own police force.

Now, decades later, justice has finally been done and Denis Ryan has been vindicated.

Monsignor John Day died in 1978. He was arguably Australia's worst paedophile priest, his victims counted in the hundreds. Yet when Day died, he was feted by Bishop Ronald Mulkearns as having 'faithfully fulfilled his ministry in God's name'.
The Church had known about Day's activities for years. Unbelievably, his terrible crimes had been committed with the knowledge and protection of senior members of the Victoria Police as well as the senior officer of the court in Mildura. Together the three men cast a shadow over the city that remains today.

Denis Ryan, a young police detective from Melbourne, had transferred to Mildura in the early 1960s. He quickly gained the trust of the people there. One by one the victims started coming forward?children who had been molested by Monsignor Day and their shocked and sometimes disbelieving parents.

Armed with a dozen or more signed statements, Ryan had sufficient evidence to lay charges. Then began his nightmare, as his every step towards bringing Day to justice was blocked by the Catholic Church and then the Victoria Police. Over decades, Ryan never stopped fighting to have his story and those of Day's countless victims heard, to no avail.

Now at last the truth has been told, thanks to this book and the Royal Commission. Five years after first publication of Unholy Trinity, here is Ryan's updated story, told in his own words, and the tragic accounts of Day's victims, many of whom are alive today.

After nearly 50 years, their voices have finally been heard."

Crownstay01 1st Jun 2020 10:39


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 10798826)
With regard to the ABC matter, I'll refer to a summary published in the Australian on March 14 2014. I'll assume that you find this more palatable than the Guardian...

An opinion piece from perennial ABC critic and Pell supporter Gerard Henderson, published in the local equivalent of Der Stürmer?

No, I don't find it more palatable. Your assumption is wrong. Still none the wiser as to how it's relevant, other than as a deflection.


As to VicPol, it is well documented. Unholy Trinity by Dennis Ryan and Peter Hoysted would be a good starting point.
Not a book I've heard of or read, so I won't comment until I know more.

601 1st Jun 2020 14:28


Did anybody have the misfortune to see Miriam Margolyes Almost Australian.
And we have the misfortune of paying for it.

CoodaShooda 1st Jun 2020 22:20


so I won't comment until I know more.
Not a bad idea. I applaud your passion for the debate but all of us will always have more to learn.

With regard to Henderson's "opinion piece", while the spin is his, the statements and actions he alludes to are historical fact. (Attribution? I knew Ashbolt and was around when Dawson et al went on the public record.)

WingNut60 1st Jun 2020 23:01


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 10798826)
In other words, Downing stated that pederasty or “boylove” was an acceptable form of sexual behaviour which needed to be understood."

Actually, that's you putting your spin on it.

Not having heard him say it I can not make that leap of understanding.

CoodaShooda 1st Jun 2020 23:26

Wingnut
That's Henderson's spin, not mine.
During the program, Neville claimed to have had sex with young boys. While this may have been a poor attempt at humour, it was allowed to go through to the keeper.
In the subsequent ABC responses, there was an acknowledgement that pederasty existed but no criticism offered towards its practitioners.
The 70's were, as you may recall, a different world.

WingNut60 2nd Jun 2020 00:09


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 10799537)
Wingnut
That's Henderson's spin, not mine.
During the program, Neville claimed to have had sex with young boys. While this may have been a poor attempt at humour, it was allowed to go through to the keeper.
In the subsequent ABC responses, there was an acknowledgement that pederasty existed but no criticism offered towards its practitioners.
The 70's were, as you may recall, a different world.

Indeed it was but I don't remember any elevated acceptance of pederasty.

I do remember an article in the KC Whisper titled "Pederasty: Just another bummer?"
I also remember a paragraph in that article which asserted that a distinctive feature of pederasty is the attribution of blame by the perpetrator(s) to the victims.
That is something that jars in my mind every time I see it reported in a newspaper; as it frequently is.


CoodaShooda 2nd Jun 2020 00:20

Wingnut
I may have been a bit closer to the ABC than was healthy and my views tainted by the experience. :O

My beef with the ABC is that it is consistently inconsistent in where it seeks to place criticism.

Otherwise, I think we are in heated agreement.

601 2nd Jun 2020 00:32


My beef with the ABC is that it is consistently inconsistent in where it seeks to place criticism.
The ABC is consistent in one area, its criticism of media that reports a view that is not in line with the ABC group think.

Crownstay01 2nd Jun 2020 10:58


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 10799554)
The ABC is consistent in one area, its criticism of media that reports a view that is not in line with the ABC group think.

No different to rightwing media, cf. Murdoch/NewsLimited titles.

Falcon Al 2nd Jun 2020 11:06


Originally Posted by Crownstay01 (Post 10799885)
No different to rightwing media, cf. Murdoch/NewsLimited titles.

Huge difference, ABC use taxpayer funds.

CoodaShooda 2nd Jun 2020 11:21

And Murdoch allows a diverse range of views, including the occasional left wing opinion. :E

Crownstay01 3rd Jun 2020 02:58


Originally Posted by Falcon Al (Post 10799896)
Huge difference, ABC use taxpayer funds.

No difference, so does NewsLimited.

Crownstay01 3rd Jun 2020 03:00


Originally Posted by CoodaShooda (Post 10799909)
And Murdoch allows a diverse range of views, including the occasional left wing opinion. :E

If your comment isn't intended as humour, who are the left-wing writers that are published in Murdoch's Australian papers?

CoodaShooda 3rd Jun 2020 03:35

Not so much a left wing writer but a left wing opinion was the NT News editorial calling on voters to support Labor at the last Federal Election. They thought Labor would win and we needed a voice in the tent.

A bit like Peter Van Onselen in that regard, a regular contributor to the Australian.

But perhaps the question should be, who are the left wing writers who are refused publication in the Murdoch papers?

megan 3rd Jun 2020 07:16

Watched a particular episode of the ABC "Drum" and all panelists, as did the WA premier for a time, were blaming the federal government for the COVID livestock ship in Fremantle. The premier later retracted his blaming of the feds and admitted the state had been advised by the feds prior to the ships arrival, yet the "Drum" program was a couple of days after all the events had unfolded, yet were still laying it all at the feet of the feds, as far as they were concerned a Labor WA government had unsullied hands. Bias?? Remember too when Abbott was at a Davos meeting and ABC mocked and commented on how Abbott was one of the last to exit the doorway and took up a position for the photo shoot at the very end of the back row and how far he was from the centre of power, Obama being front centre. Had they let the film run five seconds extra you would have seen Merkel exit the doorway and take up a position next to Abbott. But that would have removed the opportunity to mock Abbott. Bias?? Oddly enough I regularly see Labor politicians writing opinion pieces in the "Oz", Graham Richardson is a regular author, almost daily, what are his political leanings?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...dmits/12292060


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