That is by far the biggest problem. No one is telling the truth, and quite a lot of them have no idea what the truth is so are making it up as they go along. Not a great way for anyone to come to an informed decision.

Aside from my mother-in-law who lived through the Blitz I am not sure that is a significant number. Of that original poster who would be under 93?

​​​​​​​I concede the beer swilling louts that are reported regularly in the papers might evince such views.

Pax

I think the reasons have been expounded in JB ad nauseam with what options to pose and the time in which to hold it. What to do if there is a similar narrow margin?

Even a GE is no answer as a GE determines which party forms a Government and not which Government will revoke Art 50 or press on.

As they say, we are where we are. Parliament was charged with carrying out the will of the people and should sort out the mess. A PM, prepared to negotiate with the EU is needed.

Kicking the can down the road for days, weeks, months, even years will only achieve uncertainty.

Well maybe not years, 2nd 'meaningful' referendum in two years. Remain - we carry on as before. Leave - we leave asap, no Art 50 two year non sense.

It is also to a degree the attitude and national pride that got the white flag wavers of Europe out of the shit as you put it twice in less than a hundred years

SallyAnn et al
 

And??

If his retirement plans were well advanced he was hopefully better clued up than many in the UK on the realities of FoM and passport control into/out off the UK, the euro, wether bendy Bananas were really banned from French supermarkets etc..In fact I hope he was seen as valuable resource in whatever arena discussions took place to balance some of the nonsense in the UK MSM...I'd certainly hope the information he came up with and his opinions weren't discounted just on the basis of his retirement plans.

Exrigger

Given that you reside in / near Lincoln that's hardly surprising. Add to that, generally we live in a echo-chamber environment where our friends tend to be the same age group and hold largely the same opinions. That is statistically proven, added to which there is a tendency for the more submissive members of a circle to coalesce behind the views of the stronger members - so what they say to you may be nuanced and exactly what they really think.

That's true of your friends, my friends - everybody's friends.

Wiggy, did you miss the word immediately?

It may be true that he was well informed but as BV frequently reminds us. Confirmation bias.

A person, having decided on a course of action as being the best for him is unlikely to admit that their view is skewed and wrong. Not declaring their true position at the outset is likely to skew one's views of their argument when you discover their real interests. It is for that reason that Members are required to publish detailed under on their interests and public servants declare hospitality received. The latter also applies in many professions too.

To a point, but I have certainly experienced in my club and my family opposite views and never the scorn and insults seen here.

Similar for me, my family (say) they are all remainers, my mother is a convert to remain from leave. Most of my friends (say) the a remainers but I have one friend who is an ardent, flag displaying, brexiteer. We tend not to get too involved in discussion on Brexit as friendship is at the end of the day more important.

Neither is required to be using a German IP address.

No I didn't miss immediately and I'm not sure that changes the underlying point...but in the spirit of declaring an interest at this stage I'd better declare immediately that I live In France. Also I'll declare I'm an UK ex-mil aviator/instructor (I think BV is possibly too young to have been "one of mine"?) and for quite some time now an aviator in the civil world (British company) so I do have a vague grasp of what confirmation bias means but thanks all for the repeated reminders...


I'd agree there's certainly room for confirmation bias if our semi-fictious retiree simply went around saying as a simple opinion "FoM good, Brexit bad" . OTOH would you dismiss as say, confirmation bias if our now famous semi-fictious retiree came back from time in France and said:

" Despite what the Mail is saying about trade restrictions I was able to buy New Zealand lamb and some bent bananas at the weekend in LeClerc in Calais/Paris/ Bordeaux/ pretty much any other large French town"?

You can't simply yell "confirmation bias" every time you want a fast counter to a "Remain" POV, or observation...but I guess "project fear" is a bit worn out by now

(For the avoidance of any doubt - you yes can buy all that stuff in Aldi/LeClerc/Lidl etc).

What a nice comment. It would be so nice if a few more on here thought that way.

I read this in my morning paper today and thought it to be very witty, one of the British Brexit protesters held a placard that read

"Ikea has better cabinets"

Wiggy, my point really hinged on the failure to declare an
​​​​interest at the outset. The rest of your point is valid. Mine is one of distrust of someone that does not declare their interest. As you say hypothetical, what we don't know is how long out was before his interest was declared.

And just as likely to have democratically changed his mind several times since 2012 to what he now thinks is good for him, so that is no excuse.

Could some of those who favour Brexit tell us exactly what aspects of Britain's EU membership have affected them personally in an adverse way.

Buster
 

Buster11 I think having the EU to blame for anything that wasn't liked by the British public has resulted in our politicians becoming the most incapable shower for generations.
The lack of honesty by every British Prime Minister since Harold Wilson about the intended ever closer political union first proposed by Jean Monnet and Arthur Salter in the 1920's has ended my trust in our so-called leaders which ahs been compounded by out current PM making a fiasco of the leave process.
The major lack of understanding by most people of how far the EU has intruded into our law and how, currently, British Law is legally subservient to EU Law. Your average Remain voter also has, in my experience, a very poor understanding of how the ECB can over-rule any European Central Bank and potentially demand funds from the 28 countries to cover the TARGET2 liabilities.

So to finally answer your question, no direct adverse impact apart from not being able to fly EASA aircraft on my old-school CAA licence but I do think the move of "competencies" to the EU from national establishments like the CAA reduces the country's overall abilities to manage itself.

Sallyanne that clip was excellent and shows that every Government needs a scapegoat and the EU was ours and apparently we were the Eu and the remaining 27's!