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Alsacienne 22nd Aug 2019 09:42

ORAC said '' The UK is already in the EEA as one of the signatory nations. When the EEA was set up the EU didn’t exist as an entity, so all the nations signed individually. So the UK is a member outside the EU.''

Does this not mean that we will be able to queue up at Immigration in the EEA passports queue ... which is sometimes the same as the EU queue?

NoelEvans 22nd Aug 2019 10:06


Originally Posted by Alsacienne (Post 10551495)
ORAC said '' The UK is already in the EEA as one of the signatory nations. When the EEA was set up the EU didn’t exist as an entity, so all the nations signed individually. So the UK is a member outside the EU.''

Does this not mean that we will be able to queue up at Immigration in the EEA passports queue ... which is sometimes the same as the EU queue?

You will be able to 'queue up' in the same ePassport gate queue (very short queues every time I've used them) as EU, EEA, Swiss, Australian, Canadian, Japanese, New Zealand, Singaporean, South Korean and United States passport holders. There is a bigger world than just the EU out there.

Sallyann1234 22nd Aug 2019 10:19


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10551491)
It really is in some ways very simple.
The UK voted to leave the "club"
The remaining members of said club maintain the UK cannot continue to enjoy the benefits of being in said club.
Calling that vindictive is simply playing the victim.

I expect that will be happening a lot more in the next few weeks..
If people are perceiving that as 3

It's hard to see how they are going to be so much better off once they have taken back control, and yet be victims at the same time.

Interesting times



bpilatus 22nd Aug 2019 10:42

My last on this for a while as I'm off for a posh lunch on the client :)

The only 'victims' in all of this are the remoaniacs, and to be blunt it is all self-inflicted so 'bovvered' might be a word you hear more of.

Have a lovely afternoon, telling each other how wrong the leave voters were:- that line of argument always works so well.

Thank you for reading

Fly Aiprt 22nd Aug 2019 10:43


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10551486)
Really? Your constant Posting seems to indicate the opposite!
Go on, demonstrate that you don't care, by not Posting!

NoelEvans, you're right, I do care^^!
I know the UK wants to leave, I believe they are gonna leave, I do think the sooner the better, but what I do care for is, when will they go ?
They have so much to lose in the no-Deal that I'm afraid that when the day comes they'll balk at taking the plunge with the noose they themselves put around their neck.
And so from delay to delay we may be stuck forever with the UK.

That's why I have been trying do discern any rationale or considered thoughts in the Brexiteers arguments, to try an determine whether there are chances their decision was well fonded, and they'll have real reasons to really leave when they have been asked to.

I must say that your behaviour and the posts of some others here have been most enlighting in this respect ;-)

And BTW, why do I keep posting ? Because I find it fun to tease little jokers like you, Noel^^!

Chris the Robot 22nd Aug 2019 10:52

The whole freedom of movement situation could, I think, have an interesting effect on ab-initio pilot recruitment in the UK. A lot of the successful applications for the self-funded cadet schemes and the testimonials on flight school websites involve people from the continent. However, there doesn't appear to be as much movement the other way (possibly Ryanair and Easyjet excepted) due to the language situation. The lowering of entry requirements for the Easyjet and BA schemes would indicate that they are not having an easy time attracting self-funded talent. Could it be possible that this would result in certain UK airlines, particularly those with a serious need for a UK base, running fully-funded cadet programmes?

NoelEvans 22nd Aug 2019 11:09


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10551555)
NoelEvans, you're right, I do care^^!
I know the UK wants to leave, I believe they are gonna leave, I do think the sooner the better, but what I do care for is, when will they go ?
They have so much to lose in the no-Deal that I'm afraid that when the day comes they'll balk at taking the plunge with the noose they themselves put around their neck.
And so from delay to delay we may be stuck forever with the UK.

That's why I have been trying do discern any rationale or considered thoughts in the Brexiteers arguments, to try an determine whether there are chances their decision was well fonded, and they'll have real reasons to really leave when they have been asked to.

I must say that your behaviour and the posts of some others here have been most enlighting in this respect ;-)

And BTW, why do I keep posting ? Because I find it fun to tease little jokers like you, Noel^^!

Hilarious!! Keep it up!

racedo 22nd Aug 2019 11:16


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551144)


A bit rude .. but yes a small ( tiny) net contributor I stand corrected, but for how long after the UK leaves ?

The UK merely want to manage their own borders,
judicial system, AG and fish industries etc. etc. that is not unreasonable .. it’s all about management & self determination . I always remember N Kinnock a failed
leader of the UK Labour Party. He was put out to grass in Brussels where his wife ( a primary school teacher) and son, possibly other family members, were found nice little jobs and expense accounts within the EU structure, I have no reason to believe any of this has changed the only difference being that the EU now has more members and unaccountable beaurocrats

You claimed something as FACT when 5 years ago it ceased to be.

racedo 22nd Aug 2019 11:18


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10551363)
Economics101,

The quote above seems contradictory. Can you explain it?

As an observation, I note the Irish Times article mentions the distortion from multinationals.

As multinationals leave UK I guess there will be a similar distorting effect but by his much?

EU contributions are based on GNI not GDP.

Jack D 22nd Aug 2019 11:18


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10551491)
It really is in some ways very simple.
The UK voted to leave the "club"
The remaining members of said club maintain the UK cannot continue to enjoy the benefits of being in said club.
Calling that vindictive is simply playing the victim.

I expect that will be happening a lot more in the next few weeks..
If people are perceiving that as 3

The club was worth joining but sadly no longer.
Delors wanted a centralized Europe run on French lines and financed by Germany Macron is of a similar
bent ( no pun intended)
Since the Bolsheviks went out of business accommodation had to be found for the e European satellite states, good for them but not the sort of club members originally envisaged and there will be more to come.
The expansion is probably necessary to keep the infrastructure spending at a high level, ROI and Portugal are good examples of those who have benefitted but eventually the music stops.

racedo 22nd Aug 2019 11:21


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551387)
When I wrote that the ROI is a beneficiary I meant that
72. 5 billion received - 32 billion paid in . Since 2015 a small net contributor,I didn’t make myself clear.

Nope

You trying to claim only reason Ireland is staying in because it is getting loads of cash. Now trying to rewrite it to claim otherwise. That Penguin isn't going to fly.

racedo 22nd Aug 2019 11:30


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10551471)
Oh dear, people with their heads stuck in the past still. Did you know that Cromwell is no longer the Lord Protector? Things have moved on (except inside some of those peoples' heads). However, it seems that they are happy to submit to The President (based in the capital of that hugely divided country between the Netherlands and France). Oh, and if The President's Men ask you a question and you don't give the correct answer, they ask again until you do give the correct answer (not referring to just one country there as a more than one has suffered that 'version' of 'democracy').

Really ?

Just over 100 years ago members of UK armed forces were involved in attempted sedition because Ireland would get home rule, Irish War of Independence with Black and Tavns, Economic war in 1930, Troubles in Northern Ireland with an Apartheid system etc are in memory. Irish people don't trust UK and have a long history to show why that is the case.

The bitching about second referendums in Ireland is funny, Irish people see it as a chance to make people sit up and take notice. They have had almost 40 referendums since they enacted Irish Constitution, some they say No to, even with all Govt / EU and Politcal parties behind it.
It is called Democracy and tells people go away and relook at what you are doing, come back and maybe we will have another look.

Jack D 22nd Aug 2019 11:30


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10551605)
Nope

You trying to claim only reason Ireland is staying in because it is getting loads of cash. Now trying to rewrite it to claim otherwise. That Penguin isn't going to fly.

Thats one reason and a good one I would say. There may be many others being part of the great European family may be another, I rewrote to make myself clear which is overall ROI has been a net beneficiary I’m happy it is now a small contributor to the European dream ?
Why are you foaming at the mouth about this ? stay in the club , the club whose treaty needed a couple of attempts to be accepted by the Irish people( but that’s ok ) Everyone wishes the ROI well I would say, but you are no longer fully in control of your own policies, judiciary and borders as long as that is acceptable then why not take the shilling


racedo 22nd Aug 2019 11:33


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551478)
“ The EU doesn’t owe anything to an ex member “

There you have it the vindictive attitude which is all too prevalent among eu supporters,
This cuts both ways, e.g security, although to be fair the UK is more effective within the 5 eyes group which is far less “ leaky” than our eu neighbors security services.

Julian Assange, Edward Snowden would suggest otherwise

racedo 22nd Aug 2019 11:35


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551617)
Thats one reason and a good one I would say. There may be many others being part of the great European family may be another what was I rewriting ?

If it keeps you convinced and happy rewriting fake news then so be it. Convinces nobody else.

Pontius Navigator 22nd Aug 2019 12:09

Economics. Ty.

Jack D 22nd Aug 2019 12:48

[QUOTE=racedo;10551615]Really ?

Just over 100 years ago members of UK armed forces were involved in attempted sedition because Ireland would get home rule, Irish War of Independence with Black and Tavns, Economic war in 1930, Troubles in Northern Ireland with an Apartheid system etc are in memory. Irish people don't trust UK and have a long history to show why that is the case.

And yet everyone trusts the Germans, who it has to be said , have a very naughty fairly recent history in Europe ( see Poland, Netherlands etc.) please explain why ! If everybody thought as you do and used historical differences and conflicts as a convenient excuse towards non cooperation we wouldn’t get very far.

racedo 22nd Aug 2019 14:35


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551684)
And yet everyone trusts the Germans, who it has to be said , have a very naughty fairly recent history in Europe ( see Poland, Netherlands etc.) please explain why ! If everybody thought as you do and used historical differences and conflicts as a convenient excuse towards non cooperation we wouldn’t get very far.

Big difference. Germany has acknowledged its past and will continue to do so. It has paid for it in DM / Euros and will continue to do so.

Germany let in a couple of million migrants in last couple of years and guess WHAT ?
They settled down, stayed, learned German, integrated, got jobs.

US / UK berating Germany because it refuses to spend billions on weapons in 2019, it saw militarism, it doesn't want it and there is no stomach for it nor will there ever be again. If called upon it will defend itself but I don't see it seeking war.

UK attitude on Ireland I don't see as having changed. When media / politicians still excuse people who shot 14 innocent people dead and demand that nothing is ever done against individuals there or anywhere else you see a mindset unchanged. If I see the mindset here in the UK, how do you think it sits with people in Ireland.

In Dublin a month ago and someone on Brexit said, "Happy to suffer badly if it finally kills the Empire mentality in London for ever", he was a sole minority view but when he should be a friend he sees BBC / Sky News and reads UK media.

Krystal n chips 22nd Aug 2019 14:44

Dear Ms Patel......

Obviously, this will pose no problem. She will just mobilise the Army, Police, Border Force.....and G4S...... and round up any foreign looking / talking people and send them all back from whence they came !

Anyway, so many will be ecstatic to learn the numbers coming to our less than fragrant and welcoming isle have been reducing considerably......so we'll be back to a pristine society jolly quickly ! .





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49433027

racedo 22nd Aug 2019 14:51


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10551763)
Dear Ms Patel......

Obviously, this will pose no problem. She will just mobilise the Army, Police, Border Force.....and G4S...... and round up any foreign looking / talking people and send them all back from whence they came !

Anyway, so many will be ecstatic to learn the numbers coming to our less than fragrant and welcoming isle have been reducing considerably......so we'll be back to a pristine society jolly quickly ! .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49433027

All foreign born people out...................... Bojo for a start.


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