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Una Due Tfc 12th Jun 2022 15:06

Which would just result in people and business going elsewhere to spend their money……

nomilk 12th Jun 2022 15:07


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11245006)
Perhaps any objection to this, by the EU, could result in the UK border control introducing red channel procedures for all eu goods and non brit passengers entering the UK. A full vehicle inspection, with emission control tests followed by a strip search of ...well everyone.

Everyone is waiting for the UK to do full inspections. Alas, the UK is incapable and the ports will have to take the government to court over the unused facilities.

Torquetalk 12th Jun 2022 16:06

Well I'm glad a couple of posters found some sense in that to respond to.

ATNotts 12th Jun 2022 17:19


Originally Posted by nomilk (Post 11245011)
Everyone is waiting for the UK to do full inspections. Alas, the UK is incapable and the ports will have to take the government to court over the unused facilities.

I didn't think the ports, particularly Dover, had the physical space to allow checks to take place, similarly Eurotunnel, which aside of HMRC technology issues is a principal reason why checks have not started, and currently aren't expected to until Q4 2023. I actually do not believe they will start then and that they will continue to be kicked into the proverbial long grass pending a more grown up agreement on trade being developed between UK and EU once a new, more pragmatic administration takes office, perhaps when Johnson is toppled and the lunatics lose their grip on the asylum.

SWBKCB 12th Jun 2022 18:09


the ports will have to take the government to court over the unused
The checks which have been deferred are Sanitary and Phytosanitary (SPS) checks, so animal and plant health checks on imports. The plan was to mirror EU checks until the UK had had chance to review the position and introduce our own. This didn't happen because of the threat of trade disruptions, and lack of staff, facilities etc. JRM has now said chacks won't be implemented until the review has been conducted. Of course, if you've not checked stuff for three years and the sky hasn't fallen in...

Ports where required to build new facilities where the checks were to take place (fo example, I think it was Portsmouth who were nominated to be the sole port for livestock imports), and they are less than chuffed

Mr Mac 12th Jun 2022 20:14


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11245006)
With Brexit, we can keep a safe distance, while holding our nose, from negotiating with folk such as this....
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Guardian " Angela Merkel has said she feels no regrets for her handling of Vladimir Putin during her time in power, arguing that Russia’s president would have perceived a 2008 Nato membership plan for Ukraine that was blocked by her government as a “declaration of war”. "
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On my goodness...for that time again Frau Merkel. Perhaps just a slip...no way, maybe...a lapse...no this was your policy, ok then a mistake....ya ya.

Time then for some hard ball on the NI border procedures. Legislation for establishing green and red channel import of goods will speed things up and confirm trusted trader status for the majority who comply. As suggested by UK PM Johnson...years ago ! Please push the EU hard Ms Truss.
Perhaps any objection to this, by the EU, could result in the UK border control introducing red channel procedures for all eu goods and non brit passengers entering the UK. A full vehicle inspection, with emission control tests followed by a strip search of ...well everyone.

Right 20
Well let’s start back to 2008 then, when nobody was walking over the Ukraine with T72,s and the world looked different, and hindsight is a wonderful thing which you seem to use a lot.

As for hard ball on the NI Border Procedures, it was UK PM who signed up to this agreement, and it will be him who has to follow through with it, as he signed it on your behalf. If he chooses not to, then you and he, are degrading your international status as a nation.

As for increasing checks, go ahead do it, and see what happens because I do not think that will be in the UK,s favour, which is what UK PM already knows, so it is already a busted flush. It is very odd when sat on the other side of the Channel looking in at the UK and hear through the media about Bojo protestations, but then look East at other countries who want to join the Eu desperately.

Anyway you left, and given recent forecasts about the UK economic future it does not look very “sunny uplands” at all.

Kind regards
Mr Mac

Una Due Tfc 13th Jun 2022 08:28

Anglo-Irish relations on the rocks it seems. Allegations that Truss and Lewis are deliberately sabotaging negotiations to further their own personal ambitions.

https://www.independent.ie/news/simo...-41745626.html

The yanks are very proud of the GFA and their role in it. They’re repeatedly warning of consequences of Britain going down this route.

Every country has selfish sociopaths in Government, but it seems the UK is particularly badly afflicted in recent years.

Sallyann1234 13th Jun 2022 08:50


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 11245295)
Anglo-Irish relations on the rocks it seems. Allegations that Truss and Lewis are deliberately sabotaging negotiations to further their own personal ambitions.

https://www.independent.ie/news/simo...-41745626.html

The yanks are very proud of the GFA and their role in it. They’re repeatedly warning of consequences of Britain going down this route.

Every country has selfish sociopaths in Government, but it seems the UK is particularly badly afflicted in recent years.

The UK government is about to be break a binding international treaty, and in the process cause outrage in the US, the EU and Northern Ireland.
Is this a sound policy for a country facing a financial meltdown?

Cornish Jack 13th Jun 2022 09:21


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 11245295)
Anglo-Irish relations on the rocks it seems. Allegations that Truss and Lewis are deliberately sabotaging negotiations to further their own personal ambitions.

https://www.independent.ie/news/simo...-41745626.html

The yanks are very proud of the GFA and their role in it. They’re repeatedly warning of consequences of Britain going down this route.

Every country has selfish sociopaths in Government, but it seems the UK is particularly badly afflicted in recent years.

While the obvious ambition of the Cheese Queen would be to join the rest of the human race, I cannot see any such for the gabbling Lewis, other than as a post-WW 2 back street car salesman. or, (for those long in the tooth and of good memory) as a replacement for comedian Arthur English. ..."Open the cage ..." :ok:

Krystal n chips 13th Jun 2022 09:58

Just to avoid any confusion on my part, this N.I Protocol is the one Boris signed up to originally so he could claim " Got Brexit done ! " ...and now wants to change. ?

It will be interesting to learn the legal source(s) that happily confirm the UK isn't breaking International Law....in contrast to more learned minds elsewhere. Who knows, maybe the ever astute UK A.G. was awake long enough to make a contribution.

However, enter, as always, the DUP and who better, now he's suddenly been resurrected as it were, than "wee Sammy " to explain matters

Northern Ireland Protocol: Legislation to scrap parts to be published - BBC News

Right20deg 13th Jun 2022 10:18

The NI protocol has not yet been fully implemented. It will be modified by the UK to improve the practical application.
Nothing more than that. The EU know this and play with us, as is their want. Go in hard UK Gov. This too is war.
rgds right20deg

charliegolf 13th Jun 2022 10:45


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11245361)
Go in hard UK Gov. This too is war.

Too right! Jonny Foreigner needs to be shown once and for all that UK.com is far from out of ideas for how to BOHICA its citizens even more than it has done.

CG

Cornish Jack 13th Jun 2022 11:34


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11245361)
The NI protocol has not yet been fully implemented. It will be modified by the UK to improve the practical application.
Nothing more than that. The EU know this and play with us, as is their want. Go in hard UK Gov. This too is war.
rgds right20deg

A major difficulty in comminicating with other world's is, naturally, finding a common language. ...
"wont
/wəʊnt/
noun
formal•humorous
noun: wont
  1. one's customary behaviour.
    "Constance, as was her wont, had paid her little attention
want
/wɒnt/
verb
verb: want; 3rd person present: wants; past tense: wanted; past participle: wanted; gerund or present participle: wanting
  1. 1.
    have a desire to possess or do (something); wish for.
    "I want an apple"
One wonders if those awful Europeans have such problems with communicating in their own languages ... they certainly manage extremely well in English. Literacy is such a useful talent. :rolleyes:

ATNotts 13th Jun 2022 13:45


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11245361)
The NI protocol has not yet been fully implemented. It will be modified by the UK to improve the practical application.
Nothing more than that. The EU know this and play with us, as is their want. Go in hard UK Gov. This too is war.
rgds right20deg

By all means declare war (presumably on the EU). Problem is that what ever kind of war you have in mind there is but one loser; the United Kingdom. It has now been proven that the UK needs the EU rather more than the EU needs the UK. The fact is that the UK is but one months figures away from being in technical recession, a feat only about to be equalled by in the G20 Russia who have brought it upon themselves by guess what - waging war. Worse, the only sensible course of action open to the EU when the UK government panders to the ERG and DUP is to place the EU/UK trade border across the Irish land border which would likely result in a resurgence of "the troubles" - a euphemism for civil war. Talk of own goals!

The unpalatable truth is that manufacturers and exporters in Northern Ireland are doing rather will at present, due in no small part to being within the EU Single Market and Customs Union, whilst also being within the UK single market. What the UK government is trying to do is to take away those advantages from Northern Irish businesses for the sake of pacifying the DUP who in any case will just find another vacuous excuse for not sharing power in Stormont because they won't work with the First Minister being from Sinn Fein - in other words "a Papist".

Right20deg 13th Jun 2022 15:38

Thank you CJack, you are correct. " Wont " should have been used.
My bad.
rgds r20deg

Mr Mac 13th Jun 2022 20:56


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11245445)
By all means declare war (presumably on the EU). Problem is that what ever kind of war you have in mind there is but one loser; the United Kingdom. It has now been proven that the UK needs the EU rather more than the EU needs the UK. The fact is that the UK is but one months figures away from being in technical recession, a feat only about to be equalled by in the G20 Russia who have brought it upon themselves by guess what - waging war. Worse, the only sensible course of action open to the EU when the UK government panders to the ERG and DUP is to place the EU/UK trade border across the Irish land border which would likely result in a resurgence of "the troubles" - a euphemism for civil war. Talk of own goals!

The unpalatable truth is that manufacturers and exporters in Northern Ireland are doing rather will at present, due in no small part to being within the EU Single Market and Customs Union, whilst also being within the UK single market. What the UK government is trying to do is to take away those advantages from Northern Irish businesses for the sake of pacifying the DUP who in any case will just find another vacuous excuse for not sharing power in Stormont because they won't work with the First Minister being from Sinn Fein - in other words "a Papist".

ATNotts
Just got from Belfast this evening, and that is exactly what has been told to me by a company in Antrim.

Cheers
Mr Mac

Right20deg 13th Jun 2022 22:30

From Sky News:
"Tech companies in the UK received more venture capital investment in the first five months of this year than rivals in France, Germany, and China, according to government figures.

"President Macron will be choking on his croissants this morning," joked Chris Philp, the minister for the digital economy, as he announced the data at the opening of London Tech Week.

As of 31 May, more than 950 British technology companies had brought in £12.4bn in private funding, putting the UK second only to the US in terms of start-up investment".
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This is very welcome news for the UK. Well done.

Effluent Man 14th Jun 2022 00:13

Would that be the same Chris Philp who appeared on Question Time last Thursday and had the whole audience laughing at him due to his sub Abbot sub Patel mathematics skills?

Sue Vêtements 14th Jun 2022 02:59


Originally Posted by Right20deg (Post 11245652)
according to government figures.

lol - you actually believe something this government says?

Next you'll be saying our NHS is getting 350 million a week etc etc etc



alfaman 14th Jun 2022 08:32

Venture capital isn't necessarily a good measure of economic health or well being anyway. It's a high risk investment; like using how the volume of money spent on the horses at Ascot as a measure of how well the surrounding shops & factories are doing...


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